From eric.vanoffelen at skynet.be Mon Mar 1 08:48:20 2010 From: eric.vanoffelen at skynet.be (Eric Van Offelen) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 08:48:20 +0100 Subject: [Moon] ON5TA QRV 3 cm Message-ID: <8BF203C4662342B28F17541DF8D1B1E8@erice5fea1e11a> Hi all I am available today on 10.368 MHz RX/TX and 10.450 MHz RX only. Need 15 degrees elevation. Will check regularly e-mail and HB9Q logger. 73's Eric ON5TA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100301/356fc823/attachment.htm From dj3jj at gmx.net Mon Mar 1 09:39:07 2010 From: dj3jj at gmx.net (Andreas Haefner) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 09:39:07 +0100 Subject: [Moon] Change of DJ3JJs RX performance web page Message-ID: <20100301083907.321680@gmx.net> http://do9bc.de side including DJ3JJs rx-performance side is going to be changed to typo 3. So in the next days there will be some changes and not 100% functinality available. There will be an increase in speed and better usability with the new style. Feedback is welcome. Please sent feedback to dj3jj at gmx.net Best 73s Andreas DJ3JJ -- GMX DSL: Internet, Telefon und Entertainment f?r nur 19,99 EUR/mtl.! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From ok1dfc at seznam.cz Mon Mar 1 12:20:32 2010 From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 12:20:32 +0100 Subject: [Moon] you tube video Message-ID: Hi guys, here is recorded video of EME QSO 1296 MHz between new coming OK2DL and G4CCH join it :-), I thing both stations producing nice speaker copy signals. http://www.youtube.com/user/ok1dfc#p/u/0/CjVl1kUNnVg Regards Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for letting us all hear that. 73 Roy G3ZIG -----Original Message----- From: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] On Behalf Of Ray 9H1RA Sent: 01 March 2010 12:44 To: OK1DFC Cc: Moon Net; Moon-Bounces Subject: Re: [Moon-net] you tube video thanks for sharing .... nice signal and great setup ;) De Ray 9H1RA OK1DFC wrote: > Hi guys, here is recorded video of EME QSO 1296 MHz between new coming OK2DL > and G4CCH join it :-), I thing both stations producing nice speaker copy > signals. > > http://www.youtube.com/user/ok1dfc#p/u/0/CjVl1kUNnVg > > Regards > > Zdenek - OK1DFC > www.ok1dfc.com > QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz > WAC 432 - 1296 MHz > QRO 10m dish > ICQ-397994501 > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > > _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html From conrad at g0ruz.com Wed Mar 3 22:02:17 2010 From: conrad at g0ruz.com (Conrad Farlow) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:02:17 +0000 Subject: [Moon] HP 346B In-Reply-To: <28FB99BB235944F183583BD78E9E6104@OwnerPC> References: <28FB99BB235944F183583BD78E9E6104@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4B8ECE59.3000808@g0ruz.com> I have an HP 346A and an HP346B. They are both newer models but I don't need both of them. What is an HP 346B worth second hand these days? I don't mean those silly test house prices but to a fellow amateur. It is one of the newer grey coloured ones with an APC7 connector and SMA adapter. The ENR data for the noise source and adapter is on the side. It was calibrated by Aeroflex about 3 years ago if I recall correctly. Regards Conrad From valter_dls at yahoo.it Thu Mar 4 19:41:46 2010 From: valter_dls at yahoo.it (valter dolso) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:41:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Moon] IK1FJI dubus result 20-02 Message-ID: <482870.84809.qm@web24307.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hello Peter and all I was qrv 1,5 hour in the first slot of event. Poor conditions and seems low activity also. i worked the follow fine stations: 1)? 10:50??? F0CXO????? RO?? O???? F0 2)??10:56??? DK3EE?????RO?? O???? DK3?? (Tom sorry for your antennas damage) 3)? 11:15??? I3EVK????? O????? RO?? I3 4)? 11:47???LZ1DP????? O????? RO?? LZ1 5)? 11:57?? SM2CEW? O???? RO?? SM2 TOTAL:? 5X10X5 =? 250 points ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 73, Valter IK1FJI From W0WOI at aol.com Thu Mar 4 20:39:49 2010 From: W0WOI at aol.com (W0WOI at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:39:49 EST Subject: [Moon] FCC Reaffirms Statement on ROS Message-ID: <6bb3b.5e4120e0.38c16685@aol.com> FCC Reaffirms Statement on ROS March 4, 2010 In mid-February, European amateurs first used a new, experimental digital mode known as _ROS_ (http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/) . On February 23, 2010 -- after FCC review of the original documents provided from the developer's Web site -- the FCC made the following statements on ROS: "_Section 97.305_ (http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/octqtr/pdf/47cfr97.305.pdf) is the rule that specifies where different emission types are allowed to be transmitted on different bands. 'ROS' is viewed as 'spread spectrum,' and the creator of the system describes it as that. We assume that he knows what he created. [Section] 97.305 authorizes spread spectrum emission types (defined in _Section 97.3_ (http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/octqtr/pdf/47cfr97.3.pdf) ) to be transmitted by FCC licensed amateur stations at places we regulate communications only on 222-225 MHz and higher frequency amateur bands. European telecommunication regulatory authorities may authorize amateur stations in Europe to use SS on the HF bands, but this is of no concern to us. The Commission does not determine if a particular mode 'truly' represents spread spectrum as it is defined in the rules. The licensee of the station transmitting the emission is responsible for determining that the operation of the station complies with the rules. This would include determining the type of emission the station is transmitting and that the frequencies being used are authorized for that type of emission." Since that initial FCC review, several Internet sites have reported a claim -- attributed to the FCC -- that the original statements made had been reconsidered and that the FCC view was now that "ROS cannot be viewed as Spread Spectrum and it would be encompassed within _Section 97.309_ (http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/octqtr/pdf/47cfr97.309.pdf) (RTTY and data emissions codes)." When queried about this new statement, the FCC's Consumer Assistance Office stated that "[T]he information contained on the ROS Web site was not provided by the FCC." They then reaffirmed the original statements that originated from the FCC's Wireless Bureau, which handles Amateur Radio rules for the US. The ARRL supports -- as one of the basic purposes of Amateur Radio -- the experimentation and advancing the technical skills of operators. The development and use of any new mode is exciting to many amateurs, and the League encourage amateurs to experiment within the parameters of the rules; however, the ARRL also reminds US licensees that according to _Section 97.307_ (http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/octqtr/pdf/47cfr97.307.pdf) , spread spectrum communications are only permissible in the US on frequencies above 222 MHz. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100304/2a4c438a/attachment.htm From TexasRF at aol.com Fri Mar 5 05:40:03 2010 From: TexasRF at aol.com (TexasRF at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 23:40:03 EST Subject: [Moon] N0UK ping jockey Message-ID: <8a284.21425f21.38c1e523@aol.com> I am trying to log into the JT65 eme site and keep getting a message of permission denied on this server. Does anyone here know how to go about getting permission? Thanks/73, Gerald K5GW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100304/21222942/attachment.htm From john.peters at iae.nl Fri Mar 5 08:15:06 2010 From: john.peters at iae.nl (John Peters) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 08:15:06 +0100 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] [VHF] FCC Reaffirms Statement on ROS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My 2 cent... Is it so difficult..... Like WSJT you have to put your radio in USB or LSB mode so the signal can NEVER be out of the PASSBAND of a normal audio signal. My voice is broader then the ROS signal Am I spreadspecturm too ? is my signal too broad on SSB ? No of coarse not as the x-tal filter or in modern radios DSP is limiting passband. IMHO it's the task of the author to give a clear definition on how the signal is made and FCC should take a look at the signal itself NOT the paperwork or definition only. But that's your American problem.. hihihi 73! John PA5MS -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] Namens Lance Collister, W7GJ Verzonden: vrijdag 5 maart 2010 0:53 Aan: Russ K2TXB CC: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net; moon at moonbounce.info; vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu Onderwerp: Re: [Moon-net] [VHF] FCC Reaffirms Statement on ROS Howdy Russ, Yes, the CW vs JT65 discussions had kinda died down anyway...it is about time to open up a new can of worms ;-) As usual, the EU stations are embracing the new technology and experimenting with it first! VY 73, Lance On 3/4/2010 11:20 PM, Russ K2TXB wrote: > Hmmm. So the FCC is saying "If it is spread spectrum then it is not legal > below 222 Mhz. But they also say they are not determining if it is SS or > not. And that it is up to the individual operator to determine if their > transmissions are a legal mode for the frequency they are operating. > > That still leaves it wide open until someone in authority makes a > determination as to what kind of modulation ROS is actually using. I would > have hoped the FCC would actually look at it and tell us if it is legal or > not. Since they choose not to do so, I think I can safely predict quite a > battle between those who think it is legal and those who do not! > > Russ K2TXB > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu >> [mailto:owner-vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of W0WOI at aol.com >> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:40 PM >> To: vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu; moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net; >> moon at moonbounce.info >> Cc: KL7UW at acsalaska.net; w7gj at q.com >> Subject: [VHF] FCC Reaffirms Statement on ROS >> >> FCC Reaffirms Statement on ROS >> March 4, 2010 >> >> In mid-February, European amateurs first used a new, >> experimental digital mode known as _ROS_ >> (http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/) . On February 23, 2010 >> -- after FCC review of the original documents provided from >> the developer's Web site -- the FCC made the following >> statements on ROS: >> "_Section 97.305_ >> (http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/octqtr/pdf/47cfr97.305 >> .pdf) is the rule that specifies where different emission >> types are allowed to be transmitted on different bands. 'ROS' >> is viewed as 'spread spectrum,' and the creator of the >> system describes it as that. We assume that he knows what he >> created. [Section] 97.305 authorizes spread spectrum >> emission types (defined in _Section 97.3_ >> (http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/octqtr/pdf/47cfr97.3.p >> df) ) to be transmitted by FCC licensed amateur stations at >> places we regulate communications only on 222-225 MHz and >> higher frequency amateur bands. European telecommunication >> regulatory authorities may authorize amateur stations in >> Europe to use SS on the HF bands, but this is of no concern >> to us. The Commission does not determine if a particular mode >> 'truly' represents spread spectrum as it is defined in the >> rules. The licensee of the station transmitting the emission >> is responsible for determining that the operation of the >> station complies with the rules. This would include >> determining the type of emission the station is transmitting >> and that the frequencies being used are authorized for that >> type of emission." >> Since that initial FCC review, several Internet sites have >> reported a claim >> -- attributed to the FCC -- that the original statements >> made had been reconsidered and that the FCC view was now that >> "ROS cannot be viewed as Spread Spectrum and it would be >> encompassed within _Section 97.309_ >> (http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/octqtr/pdf/47cfr97.309 >> .pdf) (RTTY and data emissions codes)." >> When queried about this new statement, the FCC's Consumer >> Assistance Office stated that "[T]he information contained >> on the ROS Web site was not provided by the FCC." They then >> reaffirmed the original statements that originated from the >> FCC's Wireless Bureau, which handles Amateur Radio rules for the US. >> The ARRL supports -- as one of the basic purposes of Amateur >> Radio -- the experimentation and advancing the technical >> skills of operators. The development and use of any new mode >> is exciting to many amateurs, and the League encourage >> amateurs to experiment within the parameters of the rules; >> however, the ARRL also reminds US licensees that according >> to _Section 97.307_ >> (http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/octqtr/pdf/47cfr97.307 >> .pdf) , spread spectrum communications are only permissible >> in the US on frequencies above >> 222 MHz. >> ------ >> Submissions: vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu >> Subscription/removal requests: vhf-request at w6yx.stanford.edu >> Human list administrator: vhf-approval at w6yx.stanford.edu >> List rules and information: http://www-w6yx.stanford.edu/vhf/ >> > > > > -- Lance Collister, W7GJ (ex: WN3GPL, WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX) P.O. Box 73 Frenchtown, MT 59834 USA QTH: DN27UB TEL: (406) 626-5728 URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj 2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815 Interested in 6m EME? Ask me about subscribing to the MAGIC BAND EME email reflector! _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html From sv3aaf at yahoo.com Fri Mar 5 09:18:37 2010 From: sv3aaf at yahoo.com (SV3AAF Petros) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 00:18:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Moon] FCC Reaffirms Statement on ROS In-Reply-To: <6bb3b.5e4120e0.38c16685@aol.com> Message-ID: <939539.78850.qm@web59101.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Gentlemen, FCC is not an ?incompetent? organization, regardless though, they may have made a mistake on this issue. A meeting with ham radio society representatives will solve the problem and include the required language in the documents to clarify or change the issued directives if FCC is wrong. The per band mode limitations for Ham radio service are only concerned about ?BANDWIDTH? it doesn?t matter if it is noise from a zener, SS, AM, FM, FSK or whatever as long as it does not contain encrypted info. HOWEVER, there may be an issue in some cases with amplitude variations causing problems to other devices usually in close proximity to ham radio stations and such AM coefficients are part of many Spread Spectrum techniques. 73 Petros ? sv3aaf --- On Thu, 3/4/10, W0WOI at aol.com wrote: From: W0WOI at aol.com Subject: [Moon] FCC Reaffirms Statement on ROS To: vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu, moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net, moon at moonbounce.info Cc: KL7UW at acsalaska.net, w7gj at q.com Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 9:39 PM FCC Reaffirms Statement on ROS March 4, 2010 In mid-February, European amateurs first used a new, experimental digital mode known as ROS. On February 23, 2010 -- after FCC review of the original documents provided from the developer's Web site -- the FCC made the following statements on ROS: "Section 97.305 is the rule that specifies where different emission types are allowed to be transmitted on different bands. 'ROS' is viewed as 'spread spectrum,' and the creator of the system describes it as that. We assume that he knows what he created. [Section] 97.305 authorizes spread spectrum emission types (defined in Section 97.3) to be transmitted by FCC licensed amateur stations at places we regulate communications only on 222-225 MHz and higher frequency amateur bands. European telecommunication regulatory authorities may authorize amateur stations in Europe to use SS on the HF bands, but this is of no concern to us. The Commission does not determine if a particular mode 'truly' represents spread spectrum as it is defined in the rules. The licensee of the station transmitting the emission is responsible for determining that the operation of the station complies with the rules. This would include determining the type of emission the station is transmitting and that the frequencies being used are authorized for that type of emission." Since that initial FCC review, several Internet sites have reported a claim -- attributed to the FCC -- that the original statements made had been reconsidered and that the FCC view was now that "ROS cannot be viewed as Spread Spectrum and it would be encompassed within Section 97.309 (RTTY and data emissions codes)." When queried about this new statement, the FCC's Consumer Assistance Office stated that "[T]he information contained on the ROS Web site was not provided by the FCC." They then reaffirmed the original statements that originated from the FCC's Wireless Bureau, which handles Amateur Radio rules for the US. The ARRL supports -- as one of the basic purposes of Amateur Radio -- the experimentation and advancing the technical skills of operators. The development and use of any new mode is exciting to many amateurs, and the League encourage amateurs to experiment within the parameters of the rules; however, the ARRL also reminds US licensees that according to Section 97.307, spread spectrum communications are only permissible in the US on frequencies above 222 MHz. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100306/f762f715/attachment.htm From DL1YMK at aol.com Sun Mar 7 12:49:34 2010 From: DL1YMK at aol.com (DL1YMK at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 06:49:34 EST Subject: [Moon] XX/DL1YMK on the road again Message-ID: <724cd.5aa8c7d4.38c4ecce@aol.com> Gentlemen, after a long time of busy and extremely difficult preparation (we started just after the MI-activation) we finally got the permission for another portable moonbounce operation last week. The event will take place from Thursday, 13.05.2010 until Sunday, 23.05.2010 (ending with the 23cm DUBUS contest). Actually, Monica & myself were persueing official licenses at 4 different destinations. As we now have license documents in our hands for two of these ?most wanted? locations, we have decided to give preference to one destination and leave the second one for a later point in time. The callsign used will be of the pattern XX/DL1YMK and like we did for the OH0-activation, we will run the full risk of a truely random operation ? we will not disclose the destination in beforehand nor run schedules. It will be a kind of, let?s say, ?unusual? callsign type, so listen thoroughly and trust your ears.... (when we got the callsign we checked it first with an official IARU DXCC -list....) For your planning here the preliminary band plan: we will start on Thursday,13.05. with 23cm, followed by 70 cm on Friday, 14.05. On Saturday, 15.05. we will change to 13 cm and will be back on 23cm on the following Sunday. The week after we will plan in the usual flexible way according to your needs. Of course, we will be ready to make skeds after the first weekend for weaker stations, which did not manage to get through or for those, who could not make it in time during the weekend (we got to know some weaker ones missed us in OH0, because they were too shy to ask for a sked after the first hype). More details to follow. CU off the rock, M & M - team -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100307/38418995/attachment.htm From sm2cew at telia.com Sun Mar 7 17:27:21 2010 From: sm2cew at telia.com (Peter Sundberg) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:27:21 +0000 Subject: [Moon] SM2CEW report February Dubus 2m CW EME Event Message-ID: <20100307162729.AB1B42F001@smtp-out-1.alltele.net> The 2m CW EME Event two weekends ago greeted us with painfully poor conditions. For long periods I was having trouble hearing my own echoes despite being able to switch polarization. I worked F0CXO, IT9CJC, I3EVK, DK3EE, LZ1DP, IK1FJI, OK1MS, DK5SO (new #). Thanks to all for hanging in there. Heard more stations but they were calling others, not CQ. After the activity event I ran a sked with W7EME/p in CN72 who was using a single yagi and he heard me fine. I did not hear Jeremy unfortunately. We have decided on dates/times for the coming events, see http://www.sm2cew.com/dubus-aw.html Depending on EME contest dates for the period September-December the list will be updated when I have all the info needed. Always trying to avoid collisions. On March 27/28 it is time for the REF/Dubus 2m CW contest. Look forward to working you all that weekend. 73 de Peter SM2CEW http://blog.sm2cew.com From W0WOI at aol.com Tue Mar 9 19:08:57 2010 From: W0WOI at aol.com (W0WOI at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:08:57 EST Subject: [Moon] Attention SPACE CADETS ... from NASA today Message-ID: <1ee9f.2a2c2f37.38c7e8b9@aol.com> March 9, 2010 Katherine Trinidad NASA Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1100 katherine.trinidad at nasa.gov Rachel Prucey Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif. 650-604-0643 rachel.l.prucey at nasa.gov RELEASE: 10-062 NASA LAUNCHES INTERACTIVE SIMULATION OF SATELLITE COMMUNICATIONS MOFFETT FIELD, Calif. -- NASA today unveiled an interactive computer simulation that allows virtual explorers of all ages to dock the space shuttle at the International Space Station, experience a virtual trip to Mars or a lunar impact, and explore images of star formations taken by the Hubble Space Telescope. In an effort to excite young people about space and NASA's missions, the agency has launched the online Space Communication and Navigation (SCaN) simulation, designed to entertain and educate. The interactive simulation offers a virtual 3-D experience to visualize how data travels along various space communications paths. "The elaborate space communications networks that connect scientists and engineers with NASA's spacecraft is essential to all of NASA's missions and can be a challenging concept to comprehend," said Barbara Adde, a policy and strategic communications manager for the Office of Space Communications and Navigation at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "This simulation helps explain this complex infrastructure in an engaging way by using an interactive 3-D game." The interactive Space Communication and Navigation simulation allows visitors to select spacecraft and experience a "flythrough," or a tutorial with images and descriptions of NASA's three space communication networks. For example, the Near Earth Network flythrough shows how data originates at an antenna at McMurdo Station, McMurdo Sound, Antarctica. The data is then sent to NASA's Ice, Cloud, and land Elevation Satellite, or ICESat, as it passes overhead. The Space Network flythrough also shows how data is relayed from NASA's White Sands Test Facility, N.M., to the space station via the Tracking and Data Relay Satellite System, a network of communication satellites and ground stations NASA uses for space communications. Finally, in the Deep Space Network demonstration, visitors learn how NASA communicates with the Mars Exploration Rovers, Sprit and Opportunity, by using the Madrid Deep Space Network antenna to send data to the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, which then relays the data to the rover. "Making this interactive simulation available to young people is important and may lead them to consider a career in engineering, science or information technology as it relates to space," said Chris C. Kemp, chief information officer at NASA's Ames Research Center at Moffett Field, Calif. "NASA is embracing the fact that programs like this help convey NASA's message to people who respond well to virtual and online learning environments." The space communication network simulation features nine spacecraft to choose from, including the Hubble Space Telescope, the space station, the space shuttle orbiter, the Spirit and Opportunity rovers, Cassini, the Lunar CRater Observation and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS), ICESat and Aura. Once a spacecraft is contacted, visitors can request actions such as "choose an imaging target" and "take pictures" of the Crab Nebula as seen from Hubble, or view videos of the space shuttle docking at the station. In addition to the Space Communication and Navigation simulation, NASA provides interactive applications and other online educational tools on its Web site. To explore the Space Communication and Navigation network simulation, visit: _http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/3d_resources/spacecomm.html_ (http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/3d_resources/spacecomm.html) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100309/aa8e2436/attachment.htm From guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de Fri Mar 12 06:18:48 2010 From: guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de (Guenter Koellner) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:18:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Moon] partly OT: Altera NIOS development kit needed Message-ID: <1412.62.158.4.20.1268371128.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de> Hello, for joining into a project that partly has to do with ham radio, I am looking for a Altera Nios II Embedded Evaluation kit, the one with the LCD display, as you find it here: http://www.altera.com/products/devkits/altera/kit-cyc3-embedded.html There surely are some lying around somewhere, so probably I can find one here that is used but cheaper than buying one original. Documentation and so on is not needed, just the main unit as shown. 73, G?nter (dl4mea) From ok1dfc at seznam.cz Fri Mar 12 23:07:02 2010 From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:07:02 +0100 Subject: [Moon] feeds Message-ID: Hi Guys, I have received in previous time many requests for 13cm septum feed horns. Due to busy time in QRL I did not have chance to do that, but now is junior back from VK and he completed 10PCs of 13cm feeds. SWR diagram of that you can find here http://www.ok1dfc.com/sale/13cmfeed/13CMSEPT.jpg pics of feed http://www.ok1dfc.com/sale/13cmfeed/feed.jpg more on http://www.ok1dfc.com/sale/for%20sale.htm Let me know if anybody interesting. I have time to work during weekend and send to you, next week I am in Albania and will work also on the preparation of ZA1EME DX pedition 144 MHz - 10 GHz. Regards Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100312/b98c4e31/attachment.htm From rein0zn at ix.netcom.com Sun Mar 14 05:09:24 2010 From: rein0zn at ix.netcom.com (rein0zn at ix.netcom.com) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:09:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Moon] 432 and Above EME Newsletter for April 2010 Message-ID: <12586301.1268539764895.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hello All, The 432 MHz and Above EME Newsletter for April 2010 by K2UYH is at: http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/em70cm.html Enjoy. 73 Rein, W6SZ From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp Sun Mar 14 15:11:57 2010 From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:11:57 +0900 Subject: [Moon] 8J1AXA Final Operation Message-ID: <20100314141157557.SCWV.8237.wememta102.odn.ne.jp@mta102.odn.ne.jp> Hello all, 8J1AXA will make the final operation on 1296MHz March 20-21. Everybody who can operate please come on and give a call. March 20(-21): 0900-2145Z for EU/AF window, 1296.020 CW/SSB, 1296.065 JT65 2345-0010Z special time for South America, preferably JT65 They would strongly like to work SA and AF before closing down, and will disassemble all the EME equipments after this operation, the local morning of March 21. Ivo, ZX6AXT, Bruce, PY2BS, and any other from SA/AF, are you ready?? Incidentally I will be absent, and visiting Hiroshima for my son's graduation ceremony at Japanese Defence Naval Force on 20, and presenting a lecture on EME at JARL JA8 Division Meeting in Sapporo on 21. Mike JH1KRC From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp Sun Mar 14 15:33:43 2010 From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:33:43 +0900 Subject: [Moon] 8J1AXA Final Operation In-Reply-To: <20100314141157557.SCWV.8237.wememta102.odn.ne.jp@mta102.odn.ne.jp> Message-ID: <20100314143343617.SCZF.8237.wememta102.odn.ne.jp@mta102.odn.ne.jp> VY SRI. Correction. March 20(-21): 0900-1245Z for EU/AF window See below for correct info. TNX. de JH1KRC ************** Hello all, 8J1AXA will make the final operation on 1296MHz March 20-21. Everybody who can operate please come on and give a call. March 20(-21): 0900-1245Z for EU/AF window, 1296.020 CW/SSB, 1296.065 JT65 2345-0010Z special time for South America, preferably JT65 They would strongly like to work SA and AF before closing down, and will disassemble all the EME equipments after this operation, the local morning of March 21. Ivo, ZX6AXT, Bruce, PY2BS, and any other from SA/AF, are you ready?? Incidentally I will be absent, and visiting Hiroshima for my son's graduation ceremony at Japanese Defence Naval Force on 20, and presenting a lecture on EME at JARL JA8 Division Meeting in Sapporo on 21. Mike JH1KRC From w5lua at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 15 03:31:17 2010 From: w5lua at sbcglobal.net (Al Ward) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:31:17 -0000 Subject: [Moon] 2010 EME Conference Message-ID: <5977D50A62D1460282740F796FC8238C@Al1> 14th International EME Conference Update We have been busy pulling together the details for the 14th International EME Conference. We cordially invite you and your family to Dallas, Texas on the 12th,13th and 14th of August 2010. We are in the process of getting the on-line conference registration up and running. It should be within a couple of weeks. We will make an announcement here when it is ready. The conference hotel is The Westin at the Dallas Fort Worth Airport which is just a short shuttle ride from DFW Airport and offers first class conference amenities at an excellent conference price of $89 USD per night plus taxes. The hotel address is 4545 West John Carpenter Freeway, Irving, TX 75063. We have guest rooms blocked for Wednesday night through Saturday night. The conference rate is guaranteed only for the dates shown above. If you arrive before Wednesday night or if you stay past Sunday morning your rate may be higher on the non-conference days. Please book your room directly with the hotel as it helps the conference organizers meet our hotel commitment and help offset the price of conference meeting rooms and other amenities. We expect a large turnout and strongly recommend that you book early to avoid disappointment. The hotel block will be held until July 12, 2010. After July 12th, it will be difficult to get the same conference rate. Hotel registration is now available online at http://www.starwoodmeeting.com/StarGroupsWeb/res?id=0902108016&key=7BF3D. If you have any difficulties in using the on-line Westin hotel registration, please call reservations at 888-627-8617 and reference the "EME Conference" to get the conference rate. If all else fails please drop Al a note at w5lua at sbcglobal.net. We have an excellent technical program lined up with many notable speakers from around the world. To date we have the following speakers and presentations.. Goran AD6IW - "A New Generation of High Efficiency Solid State Power Amplifiers" Michael & Monika DL1YMK - "EME-DXpeditions to MI,OH0 and XXX" Peter G3LTF - "Practical Optimization of 432MHz and up EME systems using VK3UM's EME-Calc program" Dave G4HUP -"A 23cm DFS based Rx Converter for SDR" Alex HB9DRI - "DRIAC-G2, Tracking the Moon and celestial bodies without a PC" Mike JH1KRC - "8J1AXA, Moon-bounce Using the JAXA 18M Dish on 2M through 23cm - Another Big-Dish project in Japan" Bruce K0YW - "KH7X DXpedition and Preparations for Future Trips" Joe K1JT - "Frequency-Dependent Characteristics of the EME Path" Dave K2DH - "The Design and Implementation of a Hydraulic Elevation Drive System" Gerald K5SDR - "Expanding the SDR Technology" Mike KL6M - " A New Technique for Construction of 23cm Septum Feeds" & " Considerations for Construction of LNA / Relay Combinations" Ed KL7UW - "My Big Dish Project" Marc N2UO - "A Lightweight 6 meter Stressed Parabolic Dish for EME". Steve N4PZ - "VHF/UHF Coaxial Cavity Amplifier Construction" Zdenek OK1DFC - "Latest Microwave EME pedition Results" Ben W4SC - "IQ Measurements" Al W5LUA & Gerald K5GW - "Working with Commercial TWT Power Supplies and Building you own TWT Power Supplies" WA7CJO - TBD Tom WD5AGO - " 13 & 9 cm Cooled LNA's" We are still soliciting people to speak or if you just want to submit an article for the Technical Proceedings of the 14th EME Conference, we will be happy to have you send us an email with your article. Please contact Barry at ve4ma at shaw.ca if you would like to speak and/or submit an article. Our famous state side road warrior Paul Perryman WA5WCP/5 has agreed to pull his portable EME system complete with 12 ft (3.7M) parabolic dish to the hotel. Paul has capability on 1296 MHz and 2304 MHz so if you have yet to hear any EME signals on the higher bands, this is a great opportunity to hear it live and work stations. The Dallas-Fort Worth area offers a wide range of holiday/vacation activities. Plan on arriving at the conference hotel Wednesday afternoon or evening. We will have a hospitality suite and registration on Wednesday evening so we can get acquainted and prepare for a full day of family activities on Thursday. We have been working with an excellent tour guide company and have pulled together some excellent tours of the Dallas Ft.Worth area. On Thursday we are offering a full day highlight tour of the Ft. Worth and Dallas area. Since there are no technical presentations planned for Thursday, we are planning for this to be a widely attended tour by both husbands and wives. While the technical sessions are going on during the day on both Friday and Saturday, we plan two full days of family activities. The Friday tour is a 9am to 3pm tour of the world famous Southfork ranch from the "Dallas" show plus a North Park Shopping Experience which is one of the largest and premier shopping centers in the country. On Friday evening it is time to put on your blue jeans and take your gal to Ft.Worth for a fun western styled evening at the Fort Worth Stockyards Championship Rodeo. We will leave the hotel at 630PM and arrive back at the hotel by 10:30PM. On Saturday morning while the EME guys are enjoying the technical sessions, the wives are invited to a guided tour of Historic downtown Grapevine. We have several electronic vendors signed up to showcase their goodies. The vendor rooms will be open all day Friday and Saturday. If you are interested in obtaining a vendor table, please contact Craig KA5BOU at ka5bou at dfwair.net as soon as possible before the start of the conference. More information to follow. We will also have noise figure measurement equipment on hand to showcase your newest low noise amplifier or to help you troubleshoot a troubled LNA. Tommy WD5AGO and Al W5LUA will be coordinating the testing. The EME conference will conclude with the Saturday evening banquet. A guest speaker is planned, details will follow. We will have a short session on Sunday morning to wrap things up and then you are free to continue your travels. We hope that you can make the Dallas Ft.Worth area the center of your 2010 vacation or just a stopping point as you tour other parts of North America. The Dallas Fort Worth area is served by DFW International Airport making international travel easy while still a convenient jumping off point to other destinations within the U.S.A. or Canada. . 73 and GUD DX (via the Moon) Al Ward W5LUA Barry Malowanchuk VE4MA Tony Emanuele WA8RJF March 14, 2010 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100315/6a2b8b4f/attachment-0001.htm From w5lua at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 15 03:39:26 2010 From: w5lua at sbcglobal.net (Al Ward) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:39:26 -0000 Subject: [Moon] 2010 EME Conference Message-ID: 14th International EME Conference Update We have been busy pulling together the details for the 14th International EME Conference. We cordially invite you and your family to Dallas, Texas on the 12th,13th and 14th of August 2010. We are in the process of getting the on-line conference registration up and running. It should be within a couple of weeks. We will make an announcement here when it is ready. The conference hotel is The Westin at the Dallas Fort Worth Airport which is just a short shuttle ride from DFW Airport and offers first class conference amenities at an excellent conference price of $89 USD per night plus taxes. The hotel address is 4545 West John Carpenter Freeway, Irving, TX 75063. We have guest rooms blocked for Wednesday night through Saturday night. The conference rate is guaranteed only for the dates shown above. If you arrive before Wednesday night or if you stay past Sunday morning your rate may be higher on the non-conference days. Please book your room directly with the hotel as it helps the conference organizers meet our hotel commitment and help offset the price of conference meeting rooms and other amenities. We expect a large turnout and strongly recommend that you book early to avoid disappointment. The hotel block will be held until July 12, 2010. After July 12th, it will be difficult to get the same conference rate. Hotel registration is now available online at http://www.starwoodmeeting.com/StarGroupsWeb/res?id=0902108016&key=7BF3D. If you have any difficulties in using the on-line Westin hotel registration, please call reservations at 888-627-8617 and reference the "EME Conference" to get the conference rate. If all else fails please drop Al a note at w5lua at sbcglobal.net. We have an excellent technical program lined up with many notable speakers from around the world. To date we have the following speakers and presentations.. Goran AD6IW - "A New Generation of High Efficiency Solid State Power Amplifiers" Michael & Monika DL1YMK - "EME-DXpeditions to MI,OH0 and XXX" Peter G3LTF - "Practical Optimization of 432MHz and up EME systems using VK3UM's EME-Calc program" Dave G4HUP -"A 23cm DFS based Rx Converter for SDR" Alex HB9DRI - "DRIAC-G2, Tracking the Moon and celestial bodies without a PC" Mike JH1KRC - "8J1AXA, Moon-bounce Using the JAXA 18M Dish on 2M through 23cm - Another Big-Dish project in Japan" Bruce K0YW - "KH7X DXpedition and Preparations for Future Trips" Joe K1JT - "Frequency-Dependent Characteristics of the EME Path" Dave K2DH - "The Design and Implementation of a Hydraulic Elevation Drive System" Gerald K5SDR - "Expanding the SDR Technology" Mike KL6M - " A New Technique for Construction of 23cm Septum Feeds" & " Considerations for Construction of LNA / Relay Combinations" Ed KL7UW - "My Big Dish Project" Marc N2UO - "A Lightweight 6 meter Stressed Parabolic Dish for EME". Steve N4PZ - "VHF/UHF Coaxial Cavity Amplifier Construction" Zdenek OK1DFC - "Latest Microwave EME pedition Results" Ben W4SC - "IQ Measurements" Al W5LUA & Gerald K5GW - "Working with Commercial TWT Power Supplies and Building you own TWT Power Supplies" WA7CJO - TBD Tom WD5AGO - " 13 & 9 cm Cooled LNA's" We are still soliciting people to speak or if you just want to submit an article for the Technical Proceedings of the 14th EME Conference, we will be happy to have you send us an email with your article. Please contact Barry at ve4ma at shaw.ca if you would like to speak and/or submit an article. Our famous state side road warrior Paul Perryman WA5WCP/5 has agreed to pull his portable EME system complete with 12 ft (3.7M) parabolic dish to the hotel. Paul has capability on 1296 MHz and 2304 MHz so if you have yet to hear any EME signals on the higher bands, this is a great opportunity to hear it live and work stations. The Dallas-Fort Worth area offers a wide range of holiday/vacation activities. Plan on arriving at the conference hotel Wednesday afternoon or evening. We will have a hospitality suite and registration on Wednesday evening so we can get acquainted and prepare for a full day of family activities on Thursday. We have been working with an excellent tour guide company and have pulled together some excellent tours of the Dallas Ft.Worth area. On Thursday we are offering a full day highlight tour of the Ft. Worth and Dallas area. Since there are no technical presentations planned for Thursday, we are planning for this to be a widely attended tour by both husbands and wives. While the technical sessions are going on during the day on both Friday and Saturday, we plan two full days of family activities. The Friday tour is a 9am to 3pm tour of the world famous Southfork ranch from the "Dallas" show plus a North Park Shopping Experience which is one of the largest and premier shopping centers in the country. On Friday evening it is time to put on your blue jeans and take your gal to Ft.Worth for a fun western styled evening at the Fort Worth Stockyards Championship Rodeo. We will leave the hotel at 630PM and arrive back at the hotel by 10:30PM. On Saturday morning while the EME guys are enjoying the technical sessions, the wives are invited to a guided tour of Historic downtown Grapevine. We have several electronic vendors signed up to showcase their goodies. The vendor rooms will be open all day Friday and Saturday. If you are interested in obtaining a vendor table, please contact Craig KA5BOU at ka5bou at dfwair.net as soon as possible before the start of the conference. More information to follow. We will also have noise figure measurement equipment on hand to showcase your newest low noise amplifier or to help you troubleshoot a troubled LNA. Tommy WD5AGO and Al W5LUA will be coordinating the testing. The EME conference will conclude with the Saturday evening banquet. A guest speaker is planned, details will follow. We will have a short session on Sunday morning to wrap things up and then you are free to continue your travels. We hope that you can make the Dallas Ft.Worth area the center of your 2010 vacation or just a stopping point as you tour other parts of North America. The Dallas Fort Worth area is served by DFW International Airport making international travel easy while still a convenient jumping off point to other destinations within the U.S.A. or Canada. . 73 and GUD DX (via the Moon) Al Ward W5LUA Barry Malowanchuk VE4MA Tony Emanuele WA8RJF March 14, 2010 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100315/5f530487/attachment-0001.htm From dj3jj at gmx.net Mon Mar 15 07:22:35 2010 From: dj3jj at gmx.net (Andreas Haefner) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:22:35 +0100 Subject: [Moon] 70cm EME in 1982, article from K1JR Message-ID: <20100315062235.297560@gmx.net> Was looking for something different and found this article: http://hg2007sm.ceger.hu/feltoltes/hamradio/eme_70_cm.pdf Interesting to compare this with today.... 73s Andreas, DJ3JJ -- GRATIS f?r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 From W0WOI at aol.com Mon Mar 15 07:41:13 2010 From: W0WOI at aol.com (W0WOI at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:41:13 EDT Subject: [Moon] The first Amateur Lunar tests & contacts 1953-1970 Message-ID: <17f6e.5ee0835.38cf3089@aol.com> An excellent EME nostalgia website for olde tymers and today's WSJT crowd. Unfortunately, a large number of these EME pioneers are SK. _Click here: The first Amateur Lunar tests & contacts 1953-1970_ (http://www.ok2kkw.com/eme1960/eme1960eng.htm) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100315/5141eb9c/attachment.htm From fletchv3 at comcast.net Mon Mar 15 12:27:55 2010 From: fletchv3 at comcast.net (fletchv3 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] The first Amateur Lunar tests & contacts 1953-1970 In-Reply-To: <583296509.7000101268652108349.JavaMail.root@sz0100a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1174236430.7001801268652475348.JavaMail.root@sz0100a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> That really brought back memories. Smitty was my Aunts neighbor in rural Montgomery county, and prior to becoming a ham in the late 1950s, I would visit him and, I am sure, drive him crazy with questions. Bill was a real gentleman and always took the time to visit, answer my questions, and encourage me to get my ticket. If I remember correctly, the recordings of those one way tests were on a wire recorder, and I was fortunate enough to hear some of those early echos. I wonder if those recordings survive. He had a fairly large dish in pieces in the back yard and I do not know if he ever got that on the air or not. Does anyone know what Bill did for a living? I always thought he was a government employee, but never knew for sure. 73 Fletch K3JYD FM18/FM09 ----- Original Message ----- From: W0WOI at aol.com To: moon at moonbounce.info, moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net, vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 2:41:13 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Moon-net] The first Amateur Lunar tests & contacts 1953-1970 An excellent EME nostalgia website for olde tymers and today's WSJT crowd. Unfortunately, a large number of these EME pioneers are SK. _Click here: The first Amateur Lunar tests & contacts 1953-1970_ (http://www.ok2kkw.com/eme1960/eme1960eng.htm) _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100315/222e0606/attachment.htm From pchomins at san.rr.com Wed Mar 17 07:27:12 2010 From: pchomins at san.rr.com (Paul Chominski) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:27:12 -0700 Subject: [Moon] WA6PY QRV on 9cm Message-ID: <00c601cac59a$e18b5200$6401a8c0@your7008ffa13b> Hi All, I am getting 42 dBm out on 3.4 GHz from RW-85 TWT. I will have 10 W at the feed. I might have a chance to be heard by big guns. Please look for my tiny signals. My window statrs on March 20 at 1730UTC and on March 21 at 1830UTC. WW loc DM13LA, I need EL >15 deg. I will not hear my echoes, so my signals can be off by +/- 2kHz My setup is: scaled N2UO 5 step septum feed with Chaparral flare, 3.6 m dish, LNA NF=0.65 dB TX Power at the feed 10W VY 73 Paul WA6PY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100316/34312a01/attachment.htm From wd5ago at hotmail.com Wed Mar 17 10:08:34 2010 From: wd5ago at hotmail.com (Tommy Henderson) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:08:34 -0500 Subject: [Moon] 9cm on the 21st Message-ID: Hello All Wanted to echo (hihi) Pauls activity this coming weekend on 9cm but will only be QRV on the 21st after 1730 Z. Station: 3.15m (0.38 f/D, new), HB 5 step Round Septum w/large 3 ring choke. HB LNA 0.5 dB n/f, Power at feed 40W Checked station results yesterday: 13,2 dB sun and 0.5 dB moon noise SFU was 85, echoes were about 1 dB 73 Tommy WD5AGO _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100317/e014cdb4/attachment.htm From pkb100 at btinternet.com Wed Mar 17 10:43:37 2010 From: pkb100 at btinternet.com (Peter Blair) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:43:37 -0000 Subject: [Moon] G4RFR QRV on 9cm Message-ID: <2887F8B3A3E943A2A653523F75384643@D7BX6Z0J> G4RFR (IO90AS) hope to be QRV from 1100Hrs on the 20th March, using their 3.4m dish with 90W at feed. As before they may need to operate near to 3400.450MHz due to localised QRM from cell towers . Its a Science and Engineering Open Day event for the club and they hope to demo Solar /Moon /Earth noise to public attendees.Any EME activity will be a very welcome bonus! They have improved their system from the first attempt last year and plan to arrange more EME events this year . John G0API is the organiser and can be contacted on jfell at tesco.net 73 Peter G3LTF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100317/9de335e4/attachment.htm From g3ltf at btinternet.com Wed Mar 17 11:04:32 2010 From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:04:32 -0000 Subject: [Moon] G3LTF QRV 9cm Message-ID: <7C2CA77D3E7842E1A87606420AA700A1@D7BX6Z0J> I plan to be active on 20th and 21st March looking on 3400.100 +/- (and 3400.450 for G4RFR). I will S&P and CQ wherever there is a clear spot around 100. I will have to QRT at about 1500 on the 20th so will miss some of the US window that day. Wx forecast here doesnt look too good with rain on Saturday and wind on Sunday so expect some QSB due to dish movement! System is 28W at feed of the 6m dish. Sun noise yesterday (SF86) was 16.5dB and moon noise ~0.8dB Gl 73 Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100317/367f5eec/attachment.htm From w7qx at msn.com Wed Mar 17 17:34:39 2010 From: w7qx at msn.com (Jerry Kleker) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:34:39 -0700 Subject: [Moon] Please disregard the request for money! Message-ID: HI This email address (w7qx at msn.com) was compromised yesterday (and earlier today) and you probably received a request for money to be sent to me in London. Please disregard that email. It was SPAM! I believe that my email address is under control now. I am sorry for any inconvenience this incident may have caused you. 73, Jerry W7QX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100317/663a0cc8/attachment.htm From mansueto.grech at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 18:34:48 2010 From: mansueto.grech at gmail.com (Mansueto Grech) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:34:48 +0100 Subject: [Moon] Fwd: log In-Reply-To: <4BA10199.10307@go.net.mt> References: <4BA10199.10307@go.net.mt> Message-ID: <7a57dae61003171034v772bed73x19022b890234c313@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Cutajar Date: 17 March 2010 17:21 Subject: log To: 9H1GB Hi To all As the pc hard disk failed ,and my last backup was on the 1st Jan 2010 i lost some qso`s logged on VQ log. So please for those we make contact on 432mhz after n1st January please send me qso info to log again . 73`s David 9H1TX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100317/b9b52a1d/attachment.htm From lz1dx at lz1dx.org Wed Mar 17 21:50:40 2010 From: lz1dx at lz1dx.org (zaprianov) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:50:40 +0200 Subject: [Moon] LZ1DX QRV 9cm Message-ID: <808F5CECA92047A6B145547A7A0765A0@pc1> Hi all, I plan to be active on 21/22 march - 3400.100 +/- to 3450 mhz .May be the WX will be good for me. My setup is dish 5,4m,120wtts at feed.Preamplifier 0.47db/22db G4DDK.Testet with QSO OK1KIR. Tomorrow morning test sun noise and moon noise. 73!Good shans!! 73!NED E-mail lz1dx at lz1dx.org QSL direct to: Nedelcho Zaprianov / NED / P.BOX 64 6000,Stara Zagora Bulgaria ------------------------------------------------------------ QRV 432,1296,23202304,3400,10368 5.4m Dish 432 - 1kw,0.25db/34db 1296- 400w,0.25db/39db 2320- 400w,0.34db/28db 3400- 120w,0,47db/22db 10368-22w,0.7db/22db -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100317/6909eee3/attachment-0001.htm From lz1dx at lz1dx.org Wed Mar 17 21:50:40 2010 From: lz1dx at lz1dx.org (zaprianov) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:50:40 +0200 Subject: [Moon] LZ1DX QRV 9cm Message-ID: <808F5CECA92047A6B145547A7A0765A0@pc1> Hi all, I plan to be active on 21/22 march - 3400.100 +/- to 3450 mhz .May be the WX will be good for me. My setup is dish 5,4m,120wtts at feed.Preamplifier 0.47db/22db G4DDK.Testet with QSO OK1KIR. Tomorrow morning test sun noise and moon noise. 73!Good shans!! 73!NED E-mail lz1dx at lz1dx.org QSL direct to: Nedelcho Zaprianov / NED / P.BOX 64 6000,Stara Zagora Bulgaria ------------------------------------------------------------ QRV 432,1296,23202304,3400,10368 5.4m Dish 432 - 1kw,0.25db/34db 1296- 400w,0.25db/39db 2320- 400w,0.34db/28db 3400- 120w,0,47db/22db 10368-22w,0.7db/22db -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100317/6909eee3/attachment-0002.htm From lz1dx at lz1dx.org Wed Mar 17 21:50:40 2010 From: lz1dx at lz1dx.org (zaprianov) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:50:40 +0200 Subject: [Moon] LZ1DX QRV 9cm Message-ID: <808F5CECA92047A6B145547A7A0765A0@pc1> Hi all, I plan to be active on 21/22 march - 3400.100 +/- to 3450 mhz .May be the WX will be good for me. My setup is dish 5,4m,120wtts at feed.Preamplifier 0.47db/22db G4DDK.Testet with QSO OK1KIR. Tomorrow morning test sun noise and moon noise. 73!Good shans!! 73!NED E-mail lz1dx at lz1dx.org QSL direct to: Nedelcho Zaprianov / NED / P.BOX 64 6000,Stara Zagora Bulgaria ------------------------------------------------------------ QRV 432,1296,23202304,3400,10368 5.4m Dish 432 - 1kw,0.25db/34db 1296- 400w,0.25db/39db 2320- 400w,0.34db/28db 3400- 120w,0,47db/22db 10368-22w,0.7db/22db -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100317/6909eee3/attachment-0003.htm From lz1dx at lz1dx.org Wed Mar 17 21:50:40 2010 From: lz1dx at lz1dx.org (zaprianov) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:50:40 +0200 Subject: [Moon] LZ1DX QRV 9cm Message-ID: <808F5CECA92047A6B145547A7A0765A0@pc1> Hi all, I plan to be active on 21/22 march - 3400.100 +/- to 3450 mhz .May be the WX will be good for me. My setup is dish 5,4m,120wtts at feed.Preamplifier 0.47db/22db G4DDK.Testet with QSO OK1KIR. Tomorrow morning test sun noise and moon noise. 73!Good shans!! 73!NED E-mail lz1dx at lz1dx.org QSL direct to: Nedelcho Zaprianov / NED / P.BOX 64 6000,Stara Zagora Bulgaria ------------------------------------------------------------ QRV 432,1296,23202304,3400,10368 5.4m Dish 432 - 1kw,0.25db/34db 1296- 400w,0.25db/39db 2320- 400w,0.34db/28db 3400- 120w,0,47db/22db 10368-22w,0.7db/22db -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100317/1bfc9f8e/attachment.htm From eme_ww2r at g4fre.com Thu Mar 18 00:02:21 2010 From: eme_ww2r at g4fre.com (eme) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:02:21 -0500 Subject: [Moon] WW2R QRV 9cm In-Reply-To: <808F5CECA92047A6B145547A7A0765A0@pc1> Message-ID: Hi all, WW2R will be qrv on 9cm this weekend as follows Mar 20 0000 to 0330 and 1630 to 0000 Mar 21 0000 to 0330 and 1720 to 0000 My setup is a 3.1m dish, WD5AGO feed, 100W PA and a Demi 0.55db nf preamp. Now I have the Elecraft k3 with sub rx and internal 2m xverter as the IF i will be able to keep track of g4rfr up the band, whom i missed last a/w Dave ww2r http://g4fre.com/3456eme.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100317/680d573a/attachment-0001.htm From cupido at mail.ua.pt Thu Mar 18 17:47:22 2010 From: cupido at mail.ua.pt (Luis Cupido) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:47:22 +0000 Subject: [Moon] QSL's my addrs. In-Reply-To: <4482f5221003150736h48012b10o4a322c543109682f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4482f5221003150736h48012b10o4a322c543109682f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BA2591A.4090607@mail.ua.pt> Hi, I got a bunch of QSL cards from my old house address. I just wonder were are you folks getting my address from so that you got the old one and not the right one ??! maybe I should try to correct it at the source. let me know. were: JA6AHB,SP6JLW,K8EB,PA3FXB,ES6RQ,W3HMS,ES5PC,VK3NX Luis Cupido, ct1dmk. From ve6ta at clearwave.ca Fri Mar 19 01:31:22 2010 From: ve6ta at clearwave.ca (Grant Furnald) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:31:22 -0000 Subject: [Moon] VE6TA QRV for 9 cm Contest Message-ID: <47D4C317028341CFB7D52A2B6A467142@DadPC> Folks: I will be QRV weather permitting, for the the contest weekend. Station here is 5.5 m dish with about 40w at the feed. I hope to work many stations, and good luck to all. 73's Grant VE6TA DO33gs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100319/5490fb93/attachment.htm From ok1dfc at seznam.cz Fri Mar 19 07:59:02 2010 From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:59:02 +0100 Subject: [Moon] VE6TA QRV for 9 cm Contest In-Reply-To: <47D4C317028341CFB7D52A2B6A467142@DadPC> Message-ID: Hi guys, here is link stations announced their activity 3,4 GHz this weekend. I will see if WX permit operate my 10m dish with 9cm. Expected whole window Saturday Sunday - 40W, G4DDK LNA and septum feed. Regards Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On Behalf Of Grant Furnald Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 1:31 AM To: moon at moonbounce.info Subject: [Moon] VE6TA QRV for 9 cm Contest Folks: I will be QRV weather permitting, for the the contest weekend. Station here is 5.5 m dish with about 40w at the feed. I hope to work many stations, and good luck to all. 73's Grant VE6TA DO33gs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100319/36ac64f3/attachment.htm From ok1dfc at seznam.cz Fri Mar 19 08:13:25 2010 From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:13:25 +0100 Subject: [Moon] VE6TA QRV for 9 cm Contest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.vhf.cz/informace-oznameni/2010/dub3400.htm sorry forget the link :-) Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On Behalf Of OK1DFC Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:59 AM To: Grant Furnald; moon at moonbounce.info Subject: Re: [Moon] VE6TA QRV for 9 cm Contest Hi guys, here is link stations announced their activity 3,4 GHz this weekend. I will see if WX permit operate my 10m dish with 9cm. Expected whole window Saturday Sunday - 40W, G4DDK LNA and septum feed. Regards Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On Behalf Of Grant Furnald Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 1:31 AM To: moon at moonbounce.info Subject: [Moon] VE6TA QRV for 9 cm Contest Folks: I will be QRV weather permitting, for the the contest weekend. Station here is 5.5 m dish with about 40w at the feed. I hope to work many stations, and good luck to all. 73's Grant VE6TA DO33gs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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CUL! 73, G?nter (dl4mea) From davcut at maltanet.net Fri Mar 19 20:04:30 2010 From: davcut at maltanet.net (David Cutajar) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:04:30 +0100 Subject: [Moon] test 1 Message-ID: <4BA3CABE.1070803@maltanet.net> gsfgsf From joe at Princeton.EDU Fri Mar 19 21:44:45 2010 From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:44:45 -0400 Subject: [Moon] Arecibo QRV on 432 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BA3E23D.4050605@princeton.edu> For those who may not already be aware: The Arecibo Observatory Amateur Radio Club, using callsign KP4AO, has been working an EME pile-up on 432.045 since about 1850 UTC today, using the 1000-ft radio telescope and a barefoot TS-2000. They were 599+ at K2UYH (where I was operating to help them get started). Their signal had very little Doppler spreading or QSB. They are excellent CW ops and worked many stations; I stopped keeping a log after the first half hour or so. Their moon window for today is now almost over. They *may* be on again tomorrow. I expect a confirmation from Angel, WP3R, this evening, one way or the other, and will pass on any useful information. -- 73, Joe, K1JT From ibnkarim at bigpond.net.au Fri Mar 19 22:33:10 2010 From: ibnkarim at bigpond.net.au (Charlie Kahwagi) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:33:10 +1100 Subject: [Moon] 9cm EME VK3NX Message-ID: <000001cac7ab$c6056da0$521048e0$@net.au> Hello everyone, My 9cm system is in place and I plan to be active during the weekend. Due to family commitments I can be QRV only as follows: 20th March 0600 - 1030z (moonset) 21st March 0500 - 1110z (moonset) Unfortunately I cannot be on any earlier for the NA window. I fear that due to the moon times this weekend there may not be anyone around for the VK window from Eu or NA???? Please let me know if you will be on during the VK windows. Regards Charlie VK3NX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is worth noting that here there was a very sharp 90 degree Faraday shift on my echoes, unless I rotated the dipoles I could hardly hear them, which is rare. I did have the dipoles peaked for KP4AO when I made the recordings. Well done Angel and the team and thanks for the QSO. 73 Peter G3LTF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Barthelow" To: Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 6:30 PM Subject: [Moon-net] Arecibo view to moon today > > Folks: > > > > According to my calculations (actually USNO calcs) Arecibo should be able > to see the moon between 18:00Z and 20:40Z today. Remember, they can only > swing the beam 20 degress from vertical. I have not heard an update > from Angel as to when/how/what they plan to do for a test, but he last > emailed me that it might happen today. I will be the first to post, once > I find out... > > Best Regards, > 73, de Pat Barthelow AA6EG > > Arecibo Video Tours: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vicxDnn6LEY > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rFeXsVz8hE&NR=1 > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in Science, the one that heralds > new discoveries, is not "Eureka, I have found it!" but:"That's > funny..." ----Isaac Asimov > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your > inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > From ok1tehlist at seznam.cz Fri Mar 19 23:59:25 2010 From: ok1tehlist at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?OK1TEH=20Petrzilka?=) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:59:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] Arecibo view to moon today In-Reply-To: <6725FBAE012D45DC85C20C19E5B0A4DF@D7BX6Z0J> Message-ID: <68761.22472.34451-28741-426019222-1269039565@seznam.cz> Hi all, I'm very happy to worked KP4AO on 70cm in CW, signal was outstanding even more with their barefoot TS-2000! I recorded whole window in mp3 and cut off the strongest part which is my QSO: http://ok1teh.nagano.cz/mp3/kp4ao_ok1teh_70cm_1903_2010.mp3 and SSB signal http://ok1teh.nagano.cz/mp3/kp4ao_ok1vpz_70cm_1903_2010.mp3 (if any interest I'll put the whole 90min mp3 files at my web) Tnx for great operation & hope to meet Arecibo once on 23cm! 73 Matej, OK1TEH (single 23el dk7zb 17dBd and 500W on dipole) http://ok1teh.nagano.cz/eme_log432.htm > ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ > Od: peter blair > P?edm?t: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] Arecibo view to moon today > Datum: 19.3.2010 22:53:57 > ---------------------------------------- > It was good to work Arecibo again , (after 45 years!)... Pat said he wanted > measurements. The signal here was between 40 and 50 dB over noise in 6Hz on > Spectran which computes pretty well with the VK3UM programme for a 50W Tx. > My antenna gain is 26.5dBi and NF 0.4dB. I made several CW and SSB > recordings with Spectran ( 1-2MB files )and one IQ set from the Rocky SDR. > (23MB). There are a couple of sidebands about 120Hz either side about 30dB > down but they wont worry anyone. > Pat , if you want some recordings, please contact me off reflector. > It is worth noting that here there was a very sharp 90 degree Faraday shift > on my echoes, unless I rotated the dipoles I could hardly hear them, which > is rare. > I did have the dipoles peaked for KP4AO when I made the recordings. > Well done Angel and the team and thanks for the QSO. > 73 Peter G3LTF > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick Barthelow" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 6:30 PM > Subject: [Moon-net] Arecibo view to moon today > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > According to my calculations (actually USNO calcs) Arecibo should be able > > to see the moon between 18:00Z and 20:40Z today. Remember, they can only > > swing the beam 20 degress from vertical. I have not heard an update > > from Angel as to when/how/what they plan to do for a test, but he last > > emailed me that it might happen today. I will be the first to post, once > > I find out... > > > > Best Regards, > > 73, de Pat Barthelow AA6EG > > > > Arecibo Video Tours: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vicxDnn6LEY > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rFeXsVz8hE&NR=1 > > > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in Science, the one that heralds > > new discoveries, is not "Eureka, I have found it!" but:"That's > > funny..." ----Isaac Asimov > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your > > inbox. > > > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 > > _______________________________________________ > > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you > from the list > > > From TexasRF at aol.com Sat Mar 20 01:45:24 2010 From: TexasRF at aol.com (TexasRF at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:45:24 EDT Subject: [Moon] 3400 MHz Message-ID: <31f8a.2bbe745.38d574a4@aol.com> Listening on 3400.1 and hearing no one. Anyone on out there? 73, Gerald K5GW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Arecibo signal is not weak! ... for any normally EME-capable station, in the limited time window they can work many more stations using CW or SSB than could be worked with the much slower JT65 mode. Possibly by the time of the planned April session there will be provision for some JT65 contacts. From tikaluna at bigpond.com Sat Mar 20 04:28:37 2010 From: tikaluna at bigpond.com (Doug McArthur) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:28:37 +1100 Subject: [Moon] VK3UM 23/70 20 March Message-ID: <20100320032842.OTUT2192.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@Tikaluna.bigpond.com> I will come on from about 0830z for those at a loose end and looking for a signal on both 70 and 23 .. I will try and alternate between bands. Usual frequency. Called at my Moon rise both bands for half an hour zilch .. 70cm Faraday 45 degrees .. No Libration either frequency .. conditions stable .. Sun noise up as would be expected with a sfu of 89. That too was stable. 73 Doug VK3UM From pchomins at san.rr.com Sat Mar 20 04:54:20 2010 From: pchomins at san.rr.com (Paul Chominski) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:54:20 -0700 Subject: [Moon] Arecibo QRV on 432 References: <4BA3E23D.4050605@princeton.edu> <4BA430F1.8090208@princeton.edu> Message-ID: <003301cac7e1$0611a870$6401a8c0@your7008ffa13b> Unfortunatel today I was at work during the day. Hope to catch then next time, 73 Paul WA6PY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Taylor" To: ; Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [Moon] Arecibo QRV on 432 > Hi all, > > Angel, WP3R, has asked me to forward the information that on Monday, > March 22, the Arecibo Observatory Amateur Radio Club will again be > looking for EME contacts on 432.045 MHz. The callsign is KP4AO, the > locator is FK68oi, and the Monday window is between about 2100 and 2330 > UTC. They will again be using both CW and SSB. > > Good luck to all! > > -- 73, Joe, K1JT > > PS: Several have asked me whether there would be any JT65 operation. As > far as I know, the answer is NO -- at least for this session. > > Please remember, JT65 is a Weak Signal mode. The Arecibo signal is not > weak! ... for any normally EME-capable station, in the limited time > window they can work many more stations using CW or SSB than could be > worked with the much slower JT65 mode. Possibly by the time of the > planned April session there will be provision for some JT65 contacts. > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and > remove you from the list > From ok1dfc at seznam.cz Sat Mar 20 12:53:09 2010 From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:53:09 +0100 Subject: [Moon] 9cm In-Reply-To: <000001cac7ab$c6056da0$521048e0$@net.au> Message-ID: Till now worked 6 QSO and dish in park position, problem with the wind. I have whole technology in feed point including heat sink and TRV, to heavy for wind around 40km/h here. Hope to wind calm down and I will be QRV in USA window. Strongest on the band OK1CA and HB9JAW Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100320/7868b869/attachment.htm From kony at poppy.ocn.ne.jp Sat Mar 20 13:01:17 2010 From: kony at poppy.ocn.ne.jp (Kohji Nemoto) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:01:17 +0900 Subject: [Moon] Fw: 8J1AXA cancelled their dinal operation due to the very stormy WX Message-ID: <32DDAD57FF94460D8D1DB8EB84192BC0@Konydell> 8J1AXA cancelled their final operation today due to the very stormy WX. TNX es 73es to evryone who have worked or try to work this special EME station. Mike from Hiroshima airport now waiting for departure delayed from JH1KRC Mike , fwd by JM1GSH Kony From joe at Princeton.EDU Sat Mar 20 13:31:44 2010 From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:31:44 -0400 Subject: [Moon] Arecibo QRV on 432 In-Reply-To: <4BA430F1.8090208@princeton.edu> References: <4BA3E23D.4050605@princeton.edu> <4BA430F1.8090208@princeton.edu> Message-ID: <4BA4C030.2040908@princeton.edu> For those who were asking about the setup at Arecibo, I now have more complete information. It turns out that they *did* get their 3CX800 amp out of mothballs and hooked up in time for the tests. No wonder they were so loud! Here's the scoop: Antenna: Tx and Rx with the same circular polarization (I don't know which sense). The expectation is that ground stations will use linear polarization, and thus Faraday will not be a problem. Rx: GaAsFET preamp into a TS-2000. Tx: A second TS-2000 driving a 3CX800, 500 W measured output. T/R switchover was done with a hand-operated mechanical switch -- one reason why their T/R turnaround time sometimes seemed slow. They expect to have a T/R relay in place for the session on Monday. Once again: KP4AO expects to be QRV on 432.045 from about 2100 to 2330 UTC on Monday. -- 73, Joe, K1JT From df2zc1 at googlemail.com Sat Mar 20 14:42:35 2010 From: df2zc1 at googlemail.com (DF2ZC) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:42:35 +0100 Subject: [Moon] FS: Onkyo Integra T 4711, T 4450 Message-ID: <002301cac833$33828700$9a879500$@com> Hello All, I have an Onkyo Integra T 4711 for sale. It is a AM/FM stereo radio tuner perfectly suited for FM radio band monitoring in the Sporadic E Season. As it is very sensitive and also has small IF filters you can easily detect weak Sporadic E DX even in the vicinity of strong local FM radio stations. It comes with manual but without remote control. Photos available on request. Moreover I have an Onkyo T 4450 tuner for sale which is somewhat similar but comes without RDS, with manual, without remote control. Just do a google search and you see how fine both are. Asking (plus shipping): T-4711 80 Euro T-4450 30 Euro I'm keeping this open one week until next Saturday, then the stuff will go to ebay. vy 73 Bernd DF2ZC (JO30RN) www.df2zc.de ____________________________________________ 144 MHz EME NewsLetter: www.df2zc.de/newsletter twitter.com/df2zc 144 MHz DXCC #21 144 MHz WAC Kenwood TS 2000 2 x GU74b by LZ2US 4 x 2M18XXX 21 dBd full elevation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100320/eb3984f7/attachment.htm From ok1tehlist at seznam.cz Sat Mar 20 15:43:26 2010 From: ok1tehlist at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?OK1TEH=20Petrzilka?=) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:43:26 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Moon] Arecibo QRV on 432 In-Reply-To: <4BA4C030.2040908@princeton.edu> Message-ID: <68796.22500.34491-23589-577627907-1269096205@seznam.cz> Mni tnx Joe btw I made a web page where I put information about Arecibo EME activation (got from Moon-net / Moon list) -> http://www.ok2kkw.com/arecibo_2010pre.htm and I send this link to more tropo hams chats in middle Eu, so let's hope for a bigger activity. 73 Matej, OK1TEH > ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ > Od: Joe Taylor > P?edm?t: Re: [Moon] Arecibo QRV on 432 > Datum: 20.3.2010 13:33:26 > ---------------------------------------- > For those who were asking about the setup at Arecibo, I now have more > complete information. It turns out that they *did* get their 3CX800 amp > out of mothballs and hooked up in time for the tests. No wonder they > were so loud! > > Here's the scoop: > > Antenna: Tx and Rx with the same circular polarization (I don't know > which sense). The expectation is that ground stations will use linear > polarization, and thus Faraday will not be a problem. > > Rx: GaAsFET preamp into a TS-2000. > > Tx: A second TS-2000 driving a 3CX800, 500 W measured output. > > T/R switchover was done with a hand-operated mechanical switch -- one > reason why their T/R turnaround time sometimes seemed slow. They expect > to have a T/R relay in place for the session on Monday. > > Once again: KP4AO expects to be QRV on 432.045 from about 2100 to 2330 > UTC on Monday. > > -- 73, Joe, K1JT > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you > from the list > > > From davcut at maltanet.net Sat Mar 20 16:10:05 2010 From: davcut at maltanet.net (David Cutajar) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:10:05 +0100 Subject: [Moon] KP4AO Message-ID: <4BA4E54D.1040400@maltanet.net> Yesterday I was able to be qrv on 70cm after a visit of Murphy ,the secuencer smoked plus the LNA,then the pc hard disk In meen time Mans 9h1gb had changed the blown transistor from the sequencer . First we saw cw signal on +/- .045 but was not able to decode the cw but on Logger they was writing reports of 599 from a 4 bay array.Then suddenly we heard an SSB signal We both jumped on the dial to tune on him.On peak he was S7 on my TS 790.And then we was lucky to work him, also I have some recordings. Well I want to say many thanks for you guys for the effort it was a nice experiance for me and for sure to all. 73`s David 9H1TX 4*8.5wl ATF 54143 100W TS790 From tikaluna at bigpond.com Sun Mar 21 01:33:51 2010 From: tikaluna at bigpond.com (Doug McArthur) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:33:51 +1100 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] CW decode program In-Reply-To: References: <231420.62816.qm@web112013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100321003358.VDPY2131.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Tikaluna.bigpond.com> EOA .. Here is an idea to contemplate .. Would it not be a great education event for the students to audibly record the CW and then as a school project decode it by learning the code ? You could even include that great video of the SMS verses CW speed demonstration as an incentive .. and maybe even add a JT demo to prove a few additional facts as well! Finally you could award elephant stamps to those that copied the most call signs! Got to be a real goer ? 73 Doug VK3UM At 11:10 AM 21/03/2010, you wrote: >Yes Steve, > >And my all time favorite, too, but this part of the demo, is for the >newbies, and future hams.... >73, de Pat Barthelow AA6EG > > > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:04:32 -0700 > > From: w9oji at yahoo.com > > To: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net > > Subject: [Moon-net] CW decode program > > > > Ah yes, just another excuse to not learn the best and most > efficient form of communication.which is of course CW. > > Steve Gross N4PZ / W9OJI > >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. >http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850553/direct/01/ >_______________________________________________ >Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at >http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100321/a0c74d6c/attachment-0001.htm From pchomins at san.rr.com Sun Mar 21 03:31:30 2010 From: pchomins at san.rr.com (Paul Chominski) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:31:30 -0700 Subject: [Moon] WA6PY QRT on 9cm References: <231420.62816.qm@web112013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01cac89e$9def8af0$6401a8c0@your7008ffa13b> Hi All, I heard very well DL1YMK K5GW OK1CA K2UYH G3LTF, but could not get atention of any station. I staretd to suspect that something must be wrong with my TX. Few days ago I measured Pout TWT RW-85 using HP Power meter with head up to 18GHz through 30dB power PAD. I was impressed that I could get up to15W at the feed. Now I measured power through the 3 pole BPF in between two PADS in line with power meter. Power at 3.4 GHz was only 27dBm, The rest probably on harmonics. Unfortunately my two-section spectrum analyzer is to heavy to take it on the hill, but any way RW-85 will not work on 3.4 GHz. This tube is rated 22W at 6.7 GHz. On 5.76 GHz I measured 15W out, but again I will have to check spectrum. I have to find PA or transistors for 3.4GHz. GL VY 73 Paul WA6PY From guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de Sun Mar 21 22:15:24 2010 From: guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de (Guenter Koellner) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:15:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Moon] DL4MEA 9cm report Message-ID: <1949.62.158.16.121.1269206124.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de> Hello, the first report... I now stopped because I do not expect new stations. Worked: OK1KIR, OK1CA, OZ6OL, G3LTF, HB9JAW, DL1YMK, PA0BAT, G4NNS, OH2DG, K2UYH, K5GW, VE6TA (*1), WW2R, K2UYH (*2), VK3NX, G3LQR, WD5AGO, LX1DB (*1) Grant, you surely meanwhile know that I never can read your callsign :-))) (*2) dupe or what? At Sat, 2018, I listened to a station in QSO with OK1KIR, who was that? Conditions increased from hour to hour and from Saturday to Sunday, while I nearly wasn't able to copy OZ6OL as my 3rd QSO, I copied him solid Sunday night. On Sunday afternoon I also heard K5GW in SSB in his QSO with LX1DB, my first solid SSB copy on 9cm. I recognized my own SSB echos but not copied something. 9cm is still a problem for me, CS/Sun is just 10dB, it should/could be 13-16dB. Reason is just not found yet. 50W into a round septum feed with chaparral choke, DJ9BV preamp somewhat around 1dB NF, FT847 filters, Winrad waterfall display. Thanks a lot for the unique band option which caused a lot of activity for 9cm and I wish it will be done so for the next year. I also want to mention Peter, G3LTF, without him starting the initiative to activate 9cm some years ago this still would be a lonesome band. Lets hope this for 6cm, too. I am building! 73, G?nter (dl4mea) From k7xq at elite.net Mon Mar 22 00:38:30 2010 From: k7xq at elite.net (K7XQ) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:38:30 -0700 Subject: [Moon] ARR preamp relays Message-ID: <000201cac94f$9d250990$6601a8c0@K7XQH> Hello, I am in the process of repairing several ARR preamps and am looking for a good source to find the RF relays: Aromat RE2ET-12V ARG4314408 Does anyone know where I can get these relays ? 73, K7XQ Jeff Atwater,CA. CM97qi K7XQ logbook and webpage: http://www.elite.net/~k7xq/k7xq.html From g3ltf at btinternet.com Mon Mar 22 10:28:24 2010 From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:28:24 -0000 Subject: [Moon] G3LTF 9cm eme report. Message-ID: <5324143505F54AFB8B10597AF67D7405@D7BX6Z0J> Pity about the wx!... but you get that at this time of the year! On Saturday we had thick cloud and rain virtually all day, also enough wind to move the dish off the moon. Everyone's signal seemed down and so were my echoes. First thing on Sunday I checked the feed pointing, i.e. was it pointing exactly to the centre, and found it was slightly off. Subsequently everything sounded better, echoes and signals. I'm unsure about what was the real reason but I note that several others noticed the same difference between the two days. We had thick cloud up to (probably) 20KFt with rain in the lower part of that, can the slant path loss though that amount to, say, 1dB, at 3.4GHz? On Saturday I worked OK1KIR, OH2DG, OK1CA, OK1DFC #, VK3NX, DL4MEA, PA0BAT, HB9JAW #, DL1YMK, OZ60L, G3LQR, K5GW, VE6TA, G4NNS, K2UYH, WW2R. At 20.45, after I worked WW2R I was called by someone who I just could not copy but they only stayed for 2 QRZs, a pity. On Sunday I added LX1DB (also on ssb) and then a second QSO with G3LQR, but heard no one new despite lots of CQs. I had to QRTat 16.30, before the US window, when I returned at 2230 ( hoping to get WD5AGO!) the band was silent! If anyone wants a test on 9cm during the week, it now only takes about 30 minutes to put the 9cm feed system in place. Finally, G4RFR sends apologies but the combination of the bad wx and equipment problems meant they could not operate but they do plan to be back. Thanks to all for the nice QSOs,73 Peter G3LTF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100322/f66e0a6b/attachment.htm From nw_ebw at MMMonVHF.de Mon Mar 22 12:23:49 2010 From: nw_ebw at MMMonVHF.de (nw_ebw at MMMonVHF.de) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:23:49 +0100 Subject: [Moon] 8Q7QQ qrv 2m & 6m from up now.... Message-ID: <4BA75345.8060307@MMMonVHF.de> Hi EME friends... MOONBOOUNCE from MALDIVES ISLANDS (8Q7/MJ64je) LATEST NEWS from Dan, HB9CRQ, dated 2010-03-22 1118UTC: The group did start their activity on 6m! They could work W7GJ and hear K6MYC and OH2BC. Right now they did build up the antennas for 2m and start calling on 144.111 MHz! Internet not running until now... more to follow, DAN *** 6m Log: C: W7GJ 2m Log: ALL DETAILS: http://www.mmmonvhf.de/latest.php MMMonVHF DX-Blog (right now not online): http://www.mmmonvhf.de/showblog.php?ca=8Q7QQ Mit freundlichem Gru? / best regards 73 de Guy (Guido) D L 8 E B W QTH: JO31NF / DL66a MMMonVHF VHF-DX: MS & EME in WSJT & HSCW Member of the Team of MMMonVHF http://www.MMMonVHF.de We do spread weekly VHF-DX-Newsletter www.mmmonvhf.de/nletter/newsletter.php From wd5ago at hotmail.com Mon Mar 22 13:43:14 2010 From: wd5ago at hotmail.com (Tommy Henderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:43:14 -0500 Subject: [Moon] 9cm activity day Message-ID: Hello All Something's you appreciate more and getting on 9cm for a few hours was just that on the 21st. After great powder skiing (130" of snow) at 12,000 ft, we came back down to beat a freak winter storm, we didn't win (part of a 30 car pileup with several 18 wheelers to the side of us, NO DAMAGE) but did make it home after two days, just to get the dish ready for 9cm :) 6in of snow in the dish, snowing and 25 to 30 mi winds (it was 70 deg two days before) we cleaned it out moved the oven dryed amp back to its spot. (9 and 6cm are temp amp locations). With the new HB feed, 40W and 3.1m dish for 9cm we work with QSB most of the day: (all new ones) OK1KIR, HB9JAW, K5GW (579), PA0BAT, DL1YMK (539), DL4MEA, K2UYH, VE6TA, OZ6OL AT this point (2200Z) got sick of fighting the winds and took a break got back on at 2300Z nothing until 0315 then worked WW2R, VK3NX. On to 70cm today for KP4 73 Tommy _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100322/77bcc740/attachment.htm From eme_ww2r at g4fre.com Mon Mar 22 14:55:53 2010 From: eme_ww2r at g4fre.com (eme) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:55:53 -0500 Subject: [Moon] WW2R 9cm EME report Message-ID: In preparation for the contest, I decided it was time to build a new way to mount the feed on the dish. The cage and lots of packing pieces was too fiddly, especially when trying to change bands quickly. Inspired by a visit to my local plumbing shop i managed to convert a plastic shower drain into a feed clamp. This was mounted on a plate at the feedpoint AND allowed the position of the feed to be adjusted easily. On the first day of the contest worked K5GW, DL1YMK #15, OK1CA, K2UYH #16 STATE #2, OZ6OL, OH2DG (#17 DXCC #11), DL4MEA, OK1KIR, G3LTF. heard VE6TA. DL1YMK was the loudest signal of the weekend, All this with 30mph winds gusting to 40mph, rocking the dish Overnight we had 4" snow, so had to digout the equipment housing at the dish. At moonrise on sunday, heard HB9JAW. Went out to tweak the dish and slipped in the snow hurting my arm and spent the rest of the EU window asleep on painkillers. When I awoke that evening, very sore, after the contest had finished I still had echoes and worked WD5AGO #18 STATE #3 and VK3NX #19 DXCC #12. 11 QSOs is amazing for my 3m dish. 100W PA worked flawlessly again....it was so cold at the dish didnt need the fans. I changed from using the FT847 to the K3 with internal 2m xverter as the IF. Worked well, being able to hang the sdriq off the K3 IF port and get a bandscope was very useful. Much easier than feeding 144MHz back from the dish and using a 144/28 converter in the shack to feed the SDRIQ If anyone would like a sked on 9cm next weekend, let me know For pictures visit http://g4fre.com/3456eme.htm Now for 6cm! I have to box up the EME xverter Dave WW2R From ok1tehlist at seznam.cz Mon Mar 22 17:51:22 2010 From: ok1tehlist at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?OK1TEH=20Petrzilka?=) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:51:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] Arecibo Tests, W6YX's KG6NUB needs Real Time Spots In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <68880.22577.34580-17459-1996644241-1269276682@seznam.cz> Hi all, I've just cut off my audio records of KP4AO's signal from last Friday test. KP4AO_1.MP3 500Hz filter 32:00min (doppler -> heard KP4AO on 432.044,2) http://ok1teh.nagano.cz/mp3/kp4ao_1q.mp3 [bitrate 256kbps] http://ok1teh.nagano.cz/mp3/kp4ao_1.mp3 [same file but bitrate 64kbps) CW: OK1KIR, G3LTF, K2UYH, OK1TEH, DG1KJG, OK2POI NC?, K2UYH, SP7DCS, ES5PC, F6FHP, KP4AO_2.MP3 500Hz + 2,4kHz filter 32:51min http://ok1teh.nagano.cz/mp3/kp4ao_2q.mp3 [bitrate 256kbpst] http://ok1teh.nagano.cz/mp3/kp4ao_2.mp3 [same file but bitrate 64kbps) CW: OZ6OL then SSB: unknown, UA3PTW, DL7APV, DG1KJG, 9H1TX, F6FHP, OK1VPZ, G4RGK, OK2KKW, OK2POE, OH1GB (got wrong call should be 9H1GB), ?9A unknown QSO in spanish, 9H1GB, G2CX?. KP4AO_3.MP3 2,4kHz + 500Hz filter 25:03min http://ok1teh.nagano.cz/mp3/kp4ao_3q.mp3 [bitrate 256kbit] http://ok1teh.nagano.cz/mp3/kp4ao_3.mp3 [same file but bitrate 64kbit) SSB: HE9G?, GM4CXM, then back in CW: G6EFX, DF9QX btw these 3 files don't contain 100% of KP4AO's window. 73 Matej, OK1TEH ( http://ok1teh.nagano.cz) > ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ > Od: Patrick Barthelow > P?edm?t: [Moon-net] Arecibo Tests, W6YX's KG6NUB needs Real Time Spots > Datum: 22.3.2010 13:48:05 > ---------------------------------------- > > Folks: > > I got a request from Sawson, KG6NUB, for near live updates for today's Arecibo > Tests. Please send to Sawson directly while he works at Stanford U. Sawson > also volunteers with W6YX, the Stanford Radio club. He wishes to collect > datapoints > on today's Arecibo EME reception, in between his professional work as Stanford. > So, please send him (with copies to me apolloeme at live.com ) real time Arecibo > spots, or updates to his email: sawson at w6yx.stanford.edu) So that he can break > away from time to time from his staff work, and listen to the Arecibo chatter. > Again, exact time of Arecibo Radio Club operations today, not known, but the > Arecibo window to the moon today, is between 20:40Z and 23:20Z > > Thanks. > > Best Regards, > 73, de Pat Barthelow AA6EG apolloeme at live.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > > From dl6sh-eme at online.de Mon Mar 22 23:34:56 2010 From: dl6sh-eme at online.de (Slawek DL6SH) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:34:56 +0100 Subject: [Moon] KP4AO signal In-Reply-To: <4BA7EE27.5040107@online.de> References: <4BA7EE27.5040107@online.de> Message-ID: <4BA7F090.4020609@online.de> Slawek DL6SH wrote: > Hi all, > > today I there were some unbelievable strong signals from Arecibo: > > with my single yagi (M^2, 436CP42), some 8 wl long, and a preamp 0.4 > dB NF, there were signals around 22 dB SN measured on a Perseus. > I was ready to call KP4AO. This should not be a problem with 600w at > antenna, but unfortunetaly my elovation rotator get of duty. My yagis > for terrestial use > are not in balance correctly and my EGIS rotator was not able to get > the antennas down. > But when I checked the band, I was really astonished: antenna > direction 220 horizontal and 80 degrees up. Moon around 270 and 30 > degrees. But the signals were still there, > with about 5 dB SN! 5db on dipole! Great! > > 73 ... Slawek dl6sh > > From oz6ol at mail.dk Mon Mar 22 23:51:55 2010 From: oz6ol at mail.dk (Hans.J.Oldenborg) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:51:55 +0100 Subject: [Moon] Fw: [Moon-net] OZ6OL 3400MHZ EME Message-ID: <3384A57A4F2844578F8EC28F3FF02F95@min0idqsh59vfi> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans.J.Oldenborg" To: Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:30 PM Subject: [Moon-net] OZ6OL 3400MHZ EME > HI. > Wkd. here in the DUBUS contest week-end on 9cm : > > OK1KIR OK1CA OH2DG DL4MEA VK3NX HB9JAW DL1YMK G3LTF PAoBAT > K5GW K2UYH WW2R > > VE6TA LX1DB G4NNS (G3LTF agn. this time with vy god signal) G3LQR > WD5AGO . > > Also strong wind here ,and sometimes i lost the moon ,but very nice > contest ! > the tx/rx and feed is on the dish permanent installed,(so if anyone want a > test on 9cm i am QRV.) > > Thanks for the Weak signal CW fun ! > > vy 73 de OZ6OL Hans > 40Watts on feed. 5m Dish . Septum feed with flare . > > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > From joe at Princeton.EDU Tue Mar 23 01:07:25 2010 From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:07:25 -0400 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] Minimum Requirements to Work Arecibo on 432 In-Reply-To: <19a35.426245a8.38d93ce7@aol.com> References: <19a35.426245a8.38d93ce7@aol.com> Message-ID: <4BA8063D.10400@princeton.edu> Hi Chris and all, W3CMP wrote: > I've been casually following the Arecibo activity. I am thinking of > lashing something together for the April tests. Can anyone tell me what the > minimum requirements are to work the station? I thought I read what the > necessary ERP and receiving gain was but deleted whatever email the > information was in. I have pair of FO-25 antennas available and a brick that should > put out about 120 watts; receive end is gasfet in brick after about 50-75' > of 1/2 hardline. > Thanks for advice. > 73, Chris Patterson W3CMP Lines 1 through 4 of the following table give reasonable parameters for antenna gain, transmitter power, system noise temperature, and self-echo S/N in 100 Hz bandwidth for three different stations: - KP4AO on the Arecibo radio telescope - typical "brick and yagi" satellite-class station - QRP station with 10 Watts and a 4 element hand-held yagi Lines 5 and 6 give reasonable estimates for S/N in 100 Hz BW for each of the other stations at KP4AO, and for KP4AO at each of the other stations. Finally, lines 7 and 8 give the same S/N estimates referred at a 2500 Hz bandwidth, the scale used in JT65. Parameter KP4AO SatStn QRP -------------------------------------------------- 1. Ant gain (dBi) 60 16 10 2. Tx Poweer (W) 400 100 10 3. Tsys (K) 330 300 300 4. Echo S/N, 100 Hz BW (dB) +68 -30 -52 5. S/N at KP4AO, 100 Hz BW (dB) +13 -3 6. S/N of KP4AOm 100 Hz BW (dB) +19 +13 7. S/N at KP4AO, 2500 Hz BW (dB) -1 -17 8. S/N of KP4AO, 2500 Hz BW (dB) +5 -1 My estimate for Tsys at Arecibo includes 120 K from the receiver and 210 K from the moon. To be very conservative, the other ground stations are assumed to have something like 2 dB NF and 1 dB of feedline loss. It's clear that satellite-class stations should be able to work KP4AO on CW. Even 10-Watt stations with hand-held yagis should be able to hear KP4AO, but their CW signals will be marginal at Arecibo. They should be able to easily make the QSO easily if JT65B is used. (It's not 100% certain that JT65 will be available at KP4AO in April... but if there is sufficient demand, it may be.) Good luck in April... and let's all return our thanks again to the great operators at KP4AO, for putting Arecibo on 70 cm EME ! -- 73, Joe, K1JT From kc3re at yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 02:42:52 2010 From: kc3re at yahoo.com (Cristofori Concerts) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Moon] KP4AO Message-ID: <624165.27721.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Wow! I don't know if I was ever heard through the pileup with my 185 watts, (heard a "QRZ" but I don't know for whom,) but what a 599 signal. I was in the rover using 2XM2 28 element, ARR preamp followed by imbedded preamp in TE systems amp, super-scaf audio filter. Antennas could not elevate completely (I was about eight degrees short of full elevation,) and to my horror (and delight at the same time) found that this site (unless I really made a monumental mistake in my excitement and haste) http://www.dailymoonposition.com/Default.aspx put me in an azimuth some 30-odd degrees beyond true moon position (discovered when the clouds cleared.) Still 599!!! Can't wait to try again! Thanks to everyone who made this possible. 73, Martin, KC3RE From ve6ta at clearwave.ca Tue Mar 23 03:23:34 2010 From: ve6ta at clearwave.ca (Grant Furnald) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 02:23:34 -0000 Subject: [Moon] VE6TA EME Activity Message-ID: I enjoyed a very nice weekend of EME participating in the Dubus 3400 Mhz segment. The weather was not a big factor, but signals were sure down on Saturday as compared to Sunday. Nevertheless 13 stations were worked on random, including 3 new intials to bring me to 21 on this band. Stations worked were as follows: K5GW, G3LTF, OK1CA, OK1KIR, K2UYH, DL4MEA, OZ6OL, HB9JAW# and DXCC, DL1YMK#, LX1DB, PA0BAT, G4NNS, WD5AGO#. Heard were; G3LQR, WW2R, and WA6PY? The big signal awards belong to several stations this year. K5GW, OK1CA, K2UYH, DL1YMK, LX1DB to name a few. For me however, HB9JAW was head and shoulders above the rest. Good job Michel! Signal strengths and activity are improving every year. I really like the Dubus format as it causes a critical mass to be generated on these sparsely populated bands. As an exclamation point to a great few days on the moon, I also worked KP4AO today on 432 .045 Mhz SSB. What a beautiful SSB signal. Just like 20 meters, and a real thrill to work an installation with such history and technical acheivement. I am sure many others will find their way into the Arecibo log in April. 73's for now. Grant VE6TA DO33gs 5.5 meter HB dish, 40 watts at the feed on 3.4 Ghz. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100323/889ed87e/attachment-0001.htm From pchomins at san.rr.com Tue Mar 23 07:01:13 2010 From: pchomins at san.rr.com (Paul Chominski) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:01:13 -0700 Subject: [Moon] VE6TA EME Activity References: Message-ID: <008c01caca4e$3f42e950$6401a8c0@your7008ffa13b> Grant, I am not sure if you could hear me.I was calling OK1CA, K2UYH, DL1YMK on their CQ. Then I figured out that something must be wrong. I measured power at the feed through the band pass filter. It was 27dBm = 0.5W. Then I went QRT. On Friday W5LUA could only find traces of my signal, I've got "T" copy and Willy reported "M" copy. I hope to be QRV with good power for the next activity on 3.4 GHz. Vy 73 Paul WA6PY ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Furnald To: moon at moonbounce.info Cc: K1rqg at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 7:23 PM Subject: [Moon] VE6TA EME Activity I enjoyed a very nice weekend of EME participating in the Dubus 3400 Mhz segment. The weather was not a big factor, but signals were sure down on Saturday as compared to Sunday. Nevertheless 13 stations were worked on random, including 3 new intials to bring me to 21 on this band. Stations worked were as follows: K5GW, G3LTF, OK1CA, OK1KIR, K2UYH, DL4MEA, OZ6OL, HB9JAW# and DXCC, DL1YMK#, LX1DB, PA0BAT, G4NNS, WD5AGO#. Heard were; G3LQR, WW2R, and WA6PY? The big signal awards belong to several stations this year. K5GW, OK1CA, K2UYH, DL1YMK, LX1DB to name a few. For me however, HB9JAW was head and shoulders above the rest. Good job Michel! Signal strengths and activity are improving every year. I really like the Dubus format as it causes a critical mass to be generated on these sparsely populated bands. As an exclamation point to a great few days on the moon, I also worked KP4AO today on 432 .045 Mhz SSB. What a beautiful SSB signal. Just like 20 meters, and a real thrill to work an installation with such history and technical acheivement. I am sure many others will find their way into the Arecibo log in April. 73's for now. Grant VE6TA DO33gs 5.5 meter HB dish, 40 watts at the feed on 3.4 Ghz. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100322/4b77ab7b/attachment.htm From guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de Tue Mar 23 08:21:21 2010 From: guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de (Guenter Koellner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:21:21 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Moon] DL4MEA report of KP4AO activity Message-ID: <2690.62.158.11.71.1269328881.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de> Hello, I gave up after 1 hour. 4.5m dish and 1.5kW. I did not see any chance to go through the pile up. The activity is fine and welcome, Signal extra strong (who doubts). I only have two comments: 1) I heard most of the stations they worked by myself, so it means these were real big ones since I am only a small system on 70cm. KP4AO should say: We TX on 432.045MHz, we RX in between 432.050-432.060. Would in my opinion have two advantages: 1a) The callers will distribute over a band and the pile up will be easier to read for them. 1b) Due to that, weak signals would have a chance, too. 2) I was totally astonished how many stations I can hear on 70cm! Remembering OZ4MM, SM4IVE, DF3RU but have to go through the recording. If all these would appear during the contests that I am on 70cm, it would be a wonderful and not lonesome time. Maybe we can handle that for this years ARRL contest. 73, G?nter (dl4mea) From ok1dfc at seznam.cz Tue Mar 23 08:37:26 2010 From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:37:26 +0100 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] DL4MEA report of KP4AO activity In-Reply-To: <2690.62.158.11.71.1269328881.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de> Message-ID: Agree with you Gunter. Also I had problem with my 10m and 1kW to reach them :-) Finally 59/59++, I had KP4AO all the time +40dB over noise. I have recorded two 2Gb files of SDR, interesting traffic, and never heard so many stations on 432 MHz :-) They send for test also one CQ with JT65B, never saw before -1dB :-) and than way RX in the limitation. Nice effort!! Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 -----Original Message----- From: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net]On Behalf Of Guenter Koellner Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:21 AM To: moon at moonbounce.info; moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net Subject: [Moon-net] DL4MEA report of KP4AO activity Hello, I gave up after 1 hour. 4.5m dish and 1.5kW. I did not see any chance to go through the pile up. The activity is fine and welcome, Signal extra strong (who doubts). I only have two comments: 1) I heard most of the stations they worked by myself, so it means these were real big ones since I am only a small system on 70cm. KP4AO should say: We TX on 432.045MHz, we RX in between 432.050-432.060. Would in my opinion have two advantages: 1a) The callers will distribute over a band and the pile up will be easier to read for them. 1b) Due to that, weak signals would have a chance, too. 2) I was totally astonished how many stations I can hear on 70cm! Remembering OZ4MM, SM4IVE, DF3RU but have to go through the recording. If all these would appear during the contests that I am on 70cm, it would be a wonderful and not lonesome time. Maybe we can handle that for this years ARRL contest. 73, G?nter (dl4mea) _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html From member at g4dhf.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 23 11:12:20 2010 From: member at g4dhf.freeserve.co.uk (David Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:12:20 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Moon] KP4AO at G4DHF Message-ID: <10252869.3721731269339140876.JavaMail.www@wwinf3719> Hello friends, From g3ltf at btinternet.com Tue Mar 23 12:26:26 2010 From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:26:26 -0000 Subject: [Moon] KP4AO operation Message-ID: <957D116042734F1BB52E4C2DB55B49DA@D7BX6Z0J> Congratulations to the team at Arecibo again. Suggestion: I think the most sucessfull big dish operations ( the last one I recall being JW/SM3BYA) have stated from the start that they will ONLY work split frequency. As soon as KP4AO did that last night on ssb I called him 8KHz up for a quick QSO but it would be sensible to work split on CW as well ( IMHO) Why not designate 5-10kHz down for stations with 2 or less yagis and 5-10kHz up for the rest? I think people would be reasonable enough to respect that. ( Or do it on erp... if stations can estimate that.... and split at about 100kW erp) It was fascinating to dissect the CW pileup with my SDR on 12Hz selectivity, I even heard a new one for me, LU7DZ. Viva 432!! You see what a great eme band it is guys! 73 Peter G3LTF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100323/5b39030c/attachment.htm From ok1dfc at seznam.cz Tue Mar 23 12:39:11 2010 From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:39:11 +0100 Subject: [Moon] KP4AO operation In-Reply-To: <957D116042734F1BB52E4C2DB55B49DA@D7BX6Z0J> Message-ID: Hi Peter, agree that guys on Arecibo done great job, but as you say "I think people would be reasonable enough to respect that." I have oposit experience. KP4AO was giving report to SM4IVE and other maybe 20 stations called them again and again, same in QSO with OY4MM, WA4NJP and many others, looks that stations did not hear KP4AO calling them. Guys from KP4AO had terrible QRM I thing. Problem was, that many people worked them CW called again SSB and reapeating QSO around and around. Everybody knows that they have limited time, I thing one QSO to everybody will be enough. I will be listening this great traffic again in April if QRV, but do not call them again give the chance work another stations, I have KP4AO alreadz locked in mz log. So simple "Hamspirit". Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On Behalf Of peter blair Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:26 PM To: moonbounceboard; freetalk moonnet Subject: [Moon] KP4AO operation Congratulations to the team at Arecibo again. Suggestion: I think the most sucessfull big dish operations ( the last one I recall being JW/SM3BYA) have stated from the start that they will ONLY work split frequency. As soon as KP4AO did that last night on ssb I called him 8KHz up for a quick QSO but it would be sensible to work split on CW as well ( IMHO) Why not designate 5-10kHz down for stations with 2 or less yagis and 5-10kHz up for the rest? I think people would be reasonable enough to respect that. ( Or do it on erp... if stations can estimate that.... and split at about 100kW erp) It was fascinating to dissect the CW pileup with my SDR on 12Hz selectivity, I even heard a new one for me, LU7DZ. Viva 432!! You see what a great eme band it is guys! 73 Peter G3LTF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100323/aed15c45/attachment.htm From sv3aaf at yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 12:47:04 2010 From: sv3aaf at yahoo.com (SV3AAF Petros) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Moon] 70cm EME Evolution & Arecibo Message-ID: <23297.8939.qm@web59108.mail.re1.yahoo.com> It took the presence of Arecibo on 432MHz to wake up dormant 70cm eme stations. This does not refer to small and minute stations, it refers to medium and large stations showing up and calling Arecibo; stations that are otherwise absent from 70cm activity. Beyond the occasional radio telescope activity, it turns out that logger QSOs will be dominating 70cm traffic, at least this way the band is more lively!! GL 73, Petros - sv3aaf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100323/45041445/attachment.htm From g3ltf at btinternet.com Tue Mar 23 13:12:43 2010 From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:12:43 -0000 Subject: [Moon] KP4AO operation References: Message-ID: <75E93DB418C64E7C82E0CFC3BD3F5E33@D7BX6Z0J> Hi Zdenek, If you work split AND tune in from the top and then the bottom ( not just work stations on one freq) , everyone spreads out and the QRM lessens, when everyone is in 1KHz its impossible, Listen to a rare country pile up on 160m CW, its the same.... I'm a newbie on that band but I was quick to learn how to get them to reply! 73 Peter G3LTF ----- Original Message ----- From: OK1DFC To: peter blair ; moonbounceboard ; freetalk moonnet Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:39 AM Subject: RE: [Moon] KP4AO operation Hi Peter, agree that guys on Arecibo done great job, but as you say "I think people would be reasonable enough to respect that." I have oposit experience. KP4AO was giving report to SM4IVE and other maybe 20 stations called them again and again, same in QSO with OY4MM, WA4NJP and many others, looks that stations did not hear KP4AO calling them. Guys from KP4AO had terrible QRM I thing. Problem was, that many people worked them CW called again SSB and reapeating QSO around and around. Everybody knows that they have limited time, I thing one QSO to everybody will be enough. I will be listening this great traffic again in April if QRV, but do not call them again give the chance work another stations, I have KP4AO alreadz locked in mz log. So simple "Hamspirit". Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On Behalf Of peter blair Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:26 PM To: moonbounceboard; freetalk moonnet Subject: [Moon] KP4AO operation Congratulations to the team at Arecibo again. Suggestion: I think the most sucessfull big dish operations ( the last one I recall being JW/SM3BYA) have stated from the start that they will ONLY work split frequency. As soon as KP4AO did that last night on ssb I called him 8KHz up for a quick QSO but it would be sensible to work split on CW as well ( IMHO) Why not designate 5-10kHz down for stations with 2 or less yagis and 5-10kHz up for the rest? I think people would be reasonable enough to respect that. ( Or do it on erp... if stations can estimate that.... and split at about 100kW erp) It was fascinating to dissect the CW pileup with my SDR on 12Hz selectivity, I even heard a new one for me, LU7DZ. Viva 432!! You see what a great eme band it is guys! 73 Peter G3LTF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100323/7261c8d4/attachment.htm From gabercr at nc.rr.com Tue Mar 23 13:26:56 2010 From: gabercr at nc.rr.com (Gary Abercrombie) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:26:56 -0400 Subject: [Moon] 70cm EME Evolution & Arecibo In-Reply-To: <23297.8939.qm@web59108.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hopefully there will be a major follow-thru of activity in the months ahead on 432 as a result as it's a great band for EME. Maybe I should put up a few yagis on 432 during this weekend's Dubus contest to work some of these "new" stations. Gary, N8CQ -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On Behalf Of SV3AAF Petros Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 7:47 AM To: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net; moon at moonbounce.info Subject: [Moon] 70cm EME Evolution & Arecibo It took the presence of Arecibo on 432MHz to wake up dormant 70cm eme stations. This does not refer to small and minute stations, it refers to medium and large stations showing up and calling Arecibo; stations that are otherwise absent from 70cm activity. Beyond the occasional radio telescope activity, it turns out that logger QSOs will be dominating 70cm traffic, at least this way the band is more lively!! GL 73, Petros - sv3aaf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100323/fa51021f/attachment-0001.htm From ok1dfc at seznam.cz Tue Mar 23 13:49:53 2010 From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:49:53 +0100 Subject: [Moon] KP4AO operation In-Reply-To: <75E93DB418C64E7C82E0CFC3BD3F5E33@D7BX6Z0J> Message-ID: Agree Peter, but guys on Arecibo was not "HF jam experts" I thing. I was trying call 1 - 2 - 3 - kHz up and same result. Now they know how terrible is the pile up and in April they will be working with other manner I thing. So but still I thing one QSO to everybody is enough. Looking forward to hear you again on 70, I am now back fully on 432 without QRM, or with 90% less QRM as before. Regards Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 -----Original Message----- From: peter blair [mailto:g3ltf at btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:13 PM To: OK1DFC; moonbounceboard; freetalk moonnet Subject: Re: [Moon] KP4AO operation Hi Zdenek, If you work split AND tune in from the top and then the bottom ( not just work stations on one freq) , everyone spreads out and the QRM lessens, when everyone is in 1KHz its impossible, Listen to a rare country pile up on 160m CW, its the same.... I'm a newbie on that band but I was quick to learn how to get them to reply! 73 Peter G3LTF ----- Original Message ----- From: OK1DFC To: peter blair ; moonbounceboard ; freetalk moonnet Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:39 AM Subject: RE: [Moon] KP4AO operation Hi Peter, agree that guys on Arecibo done great job, but as you say "I think people would be reasonable enough to respect that." I have oposit experience. KP4AO was giving report to SM4IVE and other maybe 20 stations called them again and again, same in QSO with OY4MM, WA4NJP and many others, looks that stations did not hear KP4AO calling them. Guys from KP4AO had terrible QRM I thing. Problem was, that many people worked them CW called again SSB and reapeating QSO around and around. Everybody knows that they have limited time, I thing one QSO to everybody will be enough. I will be listening this great traffic again in April if QRV, but do not call them again give the chance work another stations, I have KP4AO alreadz locked in mz log. So simple "Hamspirit". Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On Behalf Of peter blair Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:26 PM To: moonbounceboard; freetalk moonnet Subject: [Moon] KP4AO operation Congratulations to the team at Arecibo again. Suggestion: I think the most sucessfull big dish operations ( the last one I recall being JW/SM3BYA) have stated from the start that they will ONLY work split frequency. As soon as KP4AO did that last night on ssb I called him 8KHz up for a quick QSO but it would be sensible to work split on CW as well ( IMHO) Why not designate 5-10kHz down for stations with 2 or less yagis and 5-10kHz up for the rest? I think people would be reasonable enough to respect that. ( Or do it on erp... if stations can estimate that.... and split at about 100kW erp) It was fascinating to dissect the CW pileup with my SDR on 12Hz selectivity, I even heard a new one for me, LU7DZ. Viva 432!! You see what a great eme band it is guys! 73 Peter G3LTF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100323/056e552c/attachment.htm From vallik at telia.com Tue Mar 23 14:07:51 2010 From: vallik at telia.com (Viljo Allik) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:07:51 +0200 Subject: [Moon] Arecibo EME SDR recordings uploaded Message-ID: <4BA8BD27.100@telia.com> Hi, The recordings from KP4AO operation as received by my 70cm station are now available at this address: http://tuff.physic.ut.ee/~tonis/Arecibo/ The sampling frequency is 55kHz and sampling has been done by Spectravue software using SDR-IQ receiver on 28 MHz IF. 432.0450 MHz = 28.0446 MHz in the recorded file. Files are zipped and filename has a timestamp indicating the start time of the recording in UTC. Each file contains about 8 minutes = about 100 MBytes of unpacked IQ data. These .wav files can be played back by Spectravue or Winrad or perhaps some other similar program but not by any ordinary media player software. The live picophone feed worked fine during yesterdays Arecibo event, I counted up to 10 simultaneous listeners. My setup on 70 cm: 2x2 9 wl M2 antennas, H-Pol Ecoflex15 stacking cables, LNA, about 0.5dB NF 73, Viljo ES5PC From eme_ww2r at g4fre.com Tue Mar 23 15:13:30 2010 From: eme_ww2r at g4fre.com (eme) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:13:30 -0500 Subject: [Moon] WW2R report of KP4AO activity In-Reply-To: <2690.62.158.11.71.1269328881.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de> Message-ID: After removing the 9cm EME gear from the garden, I installed a pair of 25 ele K1FO on a military surplus tripod on the lawn to try and work KP4AO. The receiver was in the shack, which meant a system noise figure of 3.9dB but managed a fine SSB QSO with them. I did have to dust off the 1kw amplifier to succeedand run 5kHz split! For pictures of the portable setup see the end of http://g4fre.com/432eme.htm I was surprised how many other signals i heard on the 2 yagis. W7AMI, I1NDP, K1RQG VE6TA PA3CSG NC1I to name a few Dave WW2R From dl5mae at yahoo.de Tue Mar 23 16:26:13 2010 From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:26:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] DL4MEA report of KP4AO activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <983449.75009.qm@web23704.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Guenter, I was surprised you (as a "big gun" ) couldnt get through. I did try myself (no elevation!) and heard KP4AO from 35deg down to 18 deg (until I switched off). My ant is only 21el F9FT (no elevation) and I even heard some SSB QSO partners of KP4AO and some CW stations off the moon. Again , no elevation here. I think SSB and JT65 operation slowed down the number of QSOs drastically.There were probably masses of stations could have easy QSO in CW. But I think this was not the goal of this operation . It was probably more the experimental aspect than the total numbers of QSOs. Its a little bit of a pity because many small pistols could have done a QSO with KP4AO easily . vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang ________________________________ Von: OK1DFC An: guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de; moon at moonbounce.info; moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. M?rz 2010, 8:37:26 Uhr Betreff: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] DL4MEA report of KP4AO activity Agree with you Gunter. Also I had problem with my 10m and 1kW to reach them :-) Finally 59/59++, I had KP4AO all the time +40dB over noise. I have recorded two 2Gb files of SDR, interesting traffic, and never heard so many stations on 432 MHz :-) They send for test also one CQ with JT65B, never saw before -1dB :-) and than way RX in the limitation. Nice effort!! Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 -----Original Message----- From: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net]On Behalf Of Guenter Koellner Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:21 AM To: moon at moonbounce.info; moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net Subject: [Moon-net] DL4MEA report of KP4AO activity Hello, I gave up after 1 hour. 4.5m dish and 1.5kW. I did not see any chance to go through the pile up. The activity is fine and welcome, Signal extra strong (who doubts). I only have two comments: 1) I heard most of the stations they worked by myself, so it means these were real big ones since I am only a small system on 70cm. KP4AO should say: We TX on 432.045MHz, we RX in between 432.050-432.060. Would in my opinion have two advantages: 1a) The callers will distribute over a band and the pile up will be easier to read for them. 1b) Due to that, weak signals would have a chance, too. 2) I was totally astonished how many stations I can hear on 70cm! Remembering OZ4MM, SM4IVE, DF3RU but have to go through the recording. If all these would appear during the contests that I am on 70cm, it would be a wonderful and not lonesome time. Maybe we can handle that for this years ARRL contest. 73, G?nter (dl4mea) _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verf?gt ?ber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100323/4fb34993/attachment.htm From joe at Princeton.EDU Tue Mar 23 17:39:32 2010 From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:39:32 -0400 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] How many Q's KP4AO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BA8EEC4.1090404@princeton.edu> Hi all, > Does anyone know a reasonably close tally of the number of Q's logged by KP4AO? In round numbers, about 35 QSOs on each day of the test run. More than this will surely be possible in April, when the setup at KP4AO will be more operator-friendly. -- Joe, K1JT From joe at Princeton.EDU Tue Mar 23 18:05:20 2010 From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:05:20 -0400 Subject: [Moon] Moon Digest, Vol 41, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BA8F4D0.50506@princeton.edu> Hi Wolfgang and all, Wolfgang Schlaffer wrote: > I think SSB and JT65 operation slowed down the number of QSOs > drastically. There were probably masses of stations could > have easy QSO in CW. Displaying your irrational hatred of JT65 (and even SSB??) in this context makes you look more than usually ridiculous. My fellow members of the Arecibo Observatory Amateur Radio Club were good enough to use a large portion of their scarce and precious test time to make many dozens of 432 MHz EME QSOs under difficult operating conditions. The main goal of these two short test runs was to check everything out, in advance of sessions scheduled for next month. Of course they wanted to try each mode that might be used in April, testing signal strengths and getting a feel for how each one plays with a 305m antenna on one end of the EME path. Please act like an adult. -- 73, Joe, K1JT From sm4ive at telia.com Tue Mar 23 19:08:50 2010 From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:08:50 +0100 Subject: [Moon] KP4AO Message-ID: Truley amazing signals from them, But not so skilled operators unfortnaly, The way they operated at the begining made many operators unsure if the QSO was complet or not, just making the situation even worse, Split operation would be recomended, and maybe small stations 4 yagi and down should call 5-10 down and big Guns 5-10 up. SSB same span but when no more QSOs are made on CW. I dont realy see need for JT 65 QSOs who should work them? BUT one interesting thing SO many stations that i heard that was Q5 that i never heard before, I hope they will return and try CW EME Its possible on this fantastic band. I would calculate to at least 100 differnt stations was calling them, the band sounded like on 20 mtr cw part :-)) crowded. I will put some mp3 files on my webb page later tonight. www.sm4ive.com 73 de Lars SM4IVE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100323/aaac7f71/attachment.htm From dl5mae at yahoo.de Wed Mar 24 01:13:54 2010 From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:13:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Moon] K1JT In-Reply-To: <4BA8F4D0.50506@princeton.edu> References: <4BA8F4D0.50506@princeton.edu> Message-ID: <36813.95721.qm@web23703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Well, in my post yesterday I just wanted to point out that for most efficient mode for the KP4AO operation (also for small pistols) would have been CW as its faster than digital and easier than SSB. In my post I also wrote: >It was probably more the experimental aspect than the number of > QSOs . Its a little bit of a pity because many small pistols would have > done a QSO with KP4AO easily. So experimental means also all modes , like CW, SSB , FM and ALSO (!) DIGITAL (i.e. JT65). Sorry to read that Joe , K1JT, misleading my post as a ANTI-JT65 campaign which was not my goal! I just had my own thoughts about the yesterdays operation and experience and was thinking about some improvements how to make many people happy with a QSO. And I am still the opinion that SSB or digital will be too slow for such an operation. SSB is OK at the beginning to work out the bigger and louder stations. CW will be very efficient and fast for the small stations after working out the louder ones on SSB (if they dont call again for DUPE - QSOs!!, ). All for now and leave it to the CAPO! vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang ________________________________ Von: Joe Taylor An: moon at moonbounce.info Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. M?rz 2010, 18:05:20 Uhr Betreff: Re: [Moon] Moon Digest, Vol 41, Issue 26 Hi Wolfgang and all, Wolfgang Schlaffer wrote: > I think SSB and JT65 operation slowed down the number of QSOs > drastically. There were probably masses of stations could > have easy QSO in CW. Displaying your irrational hatred of JT65 (and even SSB??) in this context makes you look more than usually ridiculous. My fellow members of the Arecibo Observatory Amateur Radio Club were good enough to use a large portion of their scarce and precious test time to make many dozens of 432 MHz EME QSOs under difficult operating conditions. The main goal of these two short test runs was to check everything out, in advance of sessions scheduled for next month. Of course they wanted to try each mode that might be used in April, testing signal strengths and getting a feel for how each one plays with a 305m antenna on one end of the EME path. Please act like an adult. -- 73, Joe, K1JT _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verf?gt ?ber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100324/99deab74/attachment.htm From bpaloma at telefonica.net Wed Mar 24 09:38:02 2010 From: bpaloma at telefonica.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Benjamin_Pi=F1ol?=) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:38:02 +0100 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] How many Q's KP4AO? References: <4BA8EEC4.1090404@princeton.edu> Message-ID: <571C83C0F93E472EB05B2648152B1CB6@ea3xu0badcac9a> KP4AO monstrous signal, as a local station. I been only listening. I hope to QSO in April in JT65 mode, if possible. Congratulations all team for this dream to activate Arecibo. My best regards. Benjamin EA3XU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Taylor" joe at Princeton.EDU To: ; Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] How many Q's KP4AO? > Hi all, > >> Does anyone know a reasonably close tally of the number of Q's logged by >> KP4AO? > > In round numbers, about 35 QSOs on each day of the test run. > > More than this will surely be possible in April, when the setup at KP4AO > will be more operator-friendly. > > -- Joe, K1JT > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and > remove you from the list > From joe at Princeton.EDU Wed Mar 24 15:23:40 2010 From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:23:40 -0400 Subject: [Moon] KP4AO operations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BAA206C.90301@princeton.edu> Hi Wolfgang, Lars, and all, DL5MAE wrote: > ... I just wanted to point out that for most efficient > mode for the KP4AO operation (also for small pistols) > would have been CW as its faster than digital and > easier than SSB. I accept that your intention was not to denigrate digital EME but rather to help my fellow AO ARC club members find the most efficient way to run the EME pileups created by the KP4AO EME signal. We have a number of superb operators at KP4AO; we have thought a lot about the efficiency of operations for the April run, and will continue to do so. The March telescope allocations were "test time". Any QSOs that could be made during the test time were to be considered "gravy". My post to this reflector (and to the other EME reflector) on March 19 already contained these words in response to inquiries about possible JT65 operation: "Please remember, JT65 is a Weak Signal mode. The Arecibo signal is not weak! ... for any normally EME-capable station, in the limited time window [KP4AO] can work many more stations using CW or SSB than could be worked with the much slower JT65 mode." If we do use JT65 in April, it will be because we have reached a point where most stations in the pileup have been worked... and we can expect a greater QSO rate on JT65 than on CW. SM4IVE wrote: > Truley amazing signals from them, But not so skilled > operators unfortnaly, The way they operated at the > begining made many operators unsure if the QSO was > complet or not, just making the situation even worse, The Arecibo Observatory Amateur Radio Club had a few precious hours of test time allocated on March 19 and March 22, to be used as a "shakedown" in advance of the scheduled sessions for 432 MHz EME in April. You are 100% wrong about a lack of skilled operators at KP4AO. Once more: the goal of these March sessions was equipment checkout, not making a maximum number of QSOs. The guys were operating standing up, in a small feed cabin some 120 m up in the air. On the first day, T/R switching required two people to throw mechanical switches. Etc., etc. In April it will be better. As usual Lars, when you see the alphanumeric combination "JT65" on en EME reflector you go non-linear and write nonsense. How well organized were you for running a pileup, the first day you put an EME signal on the air??? Next time, please think before you hit the "send" button. Finally, ... > BUT one interesting thing SO many stations that i heard that was Q5 > that i never heard before, I hope they will return and try CW EME > Its possible on this fantastic band. Here, I agree with you 100%. It is a fantastic band for EME! And I truly believe that more people would be entering the 432 MHz EME world if there did not seem to be a lingering, poisonous atmosphere suggesting that only EME old-timers know how to do things right, new ideas and techniques are discouraged, etc., etc. Thanks for posting your mp3 files. I hope they and others like them will encourage people to get on (CW, if possible!) for the April event. -- 73, Joe, K1JT From jimmyv at hol.gr Wed Mar 24 16:11:16 2010 From: jimmyv at hol.gr (Dimitris Vitorakis) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:11:16 +0200 Subject: [Moon] K1JT References: <4BAA206C.90301@princeton.edu> Message-ID: <2B50A7D4D10C4C57BEDC61EF25DF888D@mar.intralot.com> Joe On March 23 you wrote to DL5MAE: ''Displaying your irrational hatred of JT65 (and even SSB??) in this context makes you look more than usually ridiculous. Please act like an adult.'' I do not see anywhere in your post below any clear apology to DL5MAE calling him names - the top vhf cw eme expeditioner of all times and 2m DXCC #5 holder in Analog mode - though, nor do i see adult behavior from you having insulted him without any good reason. Therefore my friendly advice to you - using your own words below - is to reconsider, and: ''Next time, please think before you hit the "send" button.'' 73 Jimmy SV1BTR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Taylor" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:23 PM Subject: [Moon] KP4AO operations > Hi Wolfgang, Lars, and all, > > DL5MAE wrote: >> ... I just wanted to point out that for most efficient >> mode for the KP4AO operation (also for small pistols) >> would have been CW as its faster than digital and >> easier than SSB. > > I accept that your intention was not to denigrate digital EME but rather > to help my fellow AO ARC club members find the most efficient way to run > the EME pileups created by the KP4AO EME signal. We have a number of > superb operators at KP4AO; we have thought a lot about the efficiency of > operations for the April run, and will continue to do so. > > The March telescope allocations were "test time". Any QSOs that could > be made during the test time were to be considered "gravy". > > My post to this reflector (and to the other EME reflector) on March 19 > already contained these words in response to inquiries about possible > JT65 operation: > > "Please remember, JT65 is a Weak Signal mode. The Arecibo signal is not > weak! ... for any normally EME-capable station, in the limited time > window [KP4AO] can work many more stations using CW or SSB than could be > worked with the much slower JT65 mode." > > If we do use JT65 in April, it will be because we have reached a point > where most stations in the pileup have been worked... and we can expect > a greater QSO rate on JT65 than on CW. > > SM4IVE wrote: >> Truley amazing signals from them, But not so skilled >> operators unfortnaly, The way they operated at the >> begining made many operators unsure if the QSO was >> complet or not, just making the situation even worse, > > The Arecibo Observatory Amateur Radio Club had a few precious hours of > test time allocated on March 19 and March 22, to be used as a > "shakedown" in advance of the scheduled sessions for 432 MHz EME in April. > > You are 100% wrong about a lack of skilled operators at KP4AO. Once > more: the goal of these March sessions was equipment checkout, not > making a maximum number of QSOs. The guys were operating standing up, > in a small feed cabin some 120 m up in the air. On the first day, T/R > switching required two people to throw mechanical switches. Etc., etc. > In April it will be better. > > As usual Lars, when you see the alphanumeric combination "JT65" on en > EME reflector you go non-linear and write nonsense. How well organized > were you for running a pileup, the first day you put an EME signal on > the air??? > > Next time, please think before you hit the "send" button. > > Finally, ... > >> BUT one interesting thing SO many stations that i heard that was Q5 >> that i never heard before, I hope they will return and try CW EME >> Its possible on this fantastic band. > > Here, I agree with you 100%. It is a fantastic band for EME! And I > truly believe that more people would be entering the 432 MHz EME world > if there did not seem to be a lingering, poisonous atmosphere suggesting > that only EME old-timers know how to do things right, new ideas and > techniques are discouraged, etc., etc. > > Thanks for posting your mp3 files. I hope they and others like them > will encourage people to get on (CW, if possible!) for the April event. > > -- 73, Joe, K1JT > ----- Original Message ----- From: Wolfgang Schlaffer To: moon at moonbounce.info Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [Moon] K1JT Well, in my post yesterday I just wanted to point out that for most efficient mode for the KP4AO operation (also for small pistols) would have been CW as its faster than digital and easier than SSB. In my post I also wrote: >It was probably more the experimental aspect than the number of > QSOs . Its a little bit of a pity because many small pistols would have > done a QSO with KP4AO easily. So experimental means also all modes , like CW, SSB , FM and ALSO (!) DIGITAL (i.e. JT65). Sorry to read that Joe , K1JT, misleading my post as a ANTI-JT65 campaign which was not my goal! I just had my own thoughts about the yesterdays operation and experience and was thinking about some improvements how to make many people happy with a QSO. And I am still the opinion that SSB or digital will be too slow for such an operation. SSB is OK at the beginning to work out the bigger and louder stations. CW will be very efficient and fast for the small stations after working out the louder ones on SSB (if they dont call again for DUPE - QSOs!!, ). All for now and leave it to the CAPO! vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang From sm4ive at telia.com Wed Mar 24 19:16:37 2010 From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:16:37 +0100 Subject: [Moon] KP4AO operations References: <4BAA206C.90301@princeton.edu> Message-ID: <8CA1F9C5B4E043F8B5A21D55B62001E4@RADIO> What i meant with the word unskilled: How to make a QSO? Mr Taylor how do you define a QSO? Why do you think that SO many operators called them several times? If they had worked the way a QSO should be done and confirm the QSO, they should have worked a lot more stations. But as you stated this was not a QSO activity only a test to see how it would work out in front of April. You should have pointed this out in your email information, that this is only a test, the real QSOs would be done in April :-)) Well lets hope for the EMErs that missed them this month, that they change QSO metode to April,,, the real activity.!!! Regarding JT65 my question was who should need to use JT to work them? There was no negative in my question ! This is only your personal way of thinking. Lars SM4IVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Taylor" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:23 PM Subject: [Moon] KP4AO operations > Hi Wolfgang, Lars, and all, > > DL5MAE wrote: >> ... I just wanted to point out that for most efficient >> mode for the KP4AO operation (also for small pistols) >> would have been CW as its faster than digital and >> easier than SSB. > > I accept that your intention was not to denigrate digital EME but rather > to help my fellow AO ARC club members find the most efficient way to run > the EME pileups created by the KP4AO EME signal. We have a number of > superb operators at KP4AO; we have thought a lot about the efficiency of > operations for the April run, and will continue to do so. > > The March telescope allocations were "test time". Any QSOs that could > be made during the test time were to be considered "gravy". > > My post to this reflector (and to the other EME reflector) on March 19 > already contained these words in response to inquiries about possible > JT65 operation: > > "Please remember, JT65 is a Weak Signal mode. The Arecibo signal is not > weak! ... for any normally EME-capable station, in the limited time > window [KP4AO] can work many more stations using CW or SSB than could be > worked with the much slower JT65 mode." > > If we do use JT65 in April, it will be because we have reached a point > where most stations in the pileup have been worked... and we can expect > a greater QSO rate on JT65 than on CW. > > SM4IVE wrote: >> Truley amazing signals from them, But not so skilled >> operators unfortnaly, The way they operated at the >> begining made many operators unsure if the QSO was >> complet or not, just making the situation even worse, > > The Arecibo Observatory Amateur Radio Club had a few precious hours of > test time allocated on March 19 and March 22, to be used as a > "shakedown" in advance of the scheduled sessions for 432 MHz EME in April. > > You are 100% wrong about a lack of skilled operators at KP4AO. Once > more: the goal of these March sessions was equipment checkout, not > making a maximum number of QSOs. The guys were operating standing up, > in a small feed cabin some 120 m up in the air. On the first day, T/R > switching required two people to throw mechanical switches. Etc., etc. > In April it will be better. > > As usual Lars, when you see the alphanumeric combination "JT65" on en > EME reflector you go non-linear and write nonsense. How well organized > were you for running a pileup, the first day you put an EME signal on > the air??? > > Next time, please think before you hit the "send" button. > > Finally, ... > >> BUT one interesting thing SO many stations that i heard that was Q5 >> that i never heard before, I hope they will return and try CW EME >> Its possible on this fantastic band. > > Here, I agree with you 100%. It is a fantastic band for EME! And I > truly believe that more people would be entering the 432 MHz EME world > if there did not seem to be a lingering, poisonous atmosphere suggesting > that only EME old-timers know how to do things right, new ideas and > techniques are discouraged, etc., etc. > > Thanks for posting your mp3 files. I hope they and others like them > will encourage people to get on (CW, if possible!) for the April event. > > -- 73, Joe, K1JT > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and > remove you from the list From W3cmp at aol.com Thu Mar 25 06:02:18 2010 From: W3cmp at aol.com (W3cmp at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 01:02:18 EDT Subject: [Moon] KP4AO Operation in April Message-ID: <48b93.31569096.38dc485a@aol.com> Hello all: In my casual following of the KP4AO activitiy I failed to see any tenative operating times for April. can anyone point me to where this information is? Thanks and 73. Chris Patterson W3CMP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I look forward to good activity and great fun. 73 & GL Jimmy SV1BTR 2m: 16*6el. xpol 70cm: 12*15el. H & 12*15el. V 23/13cm: 4.9m dish -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100325/b28181ac/attachment.htm From jimmyv at hol.gr Thu Mar 25 15:07:13 2010 From: jimmyv at hol.gr (Dimitris Vitorakis) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:07:13 +0200 Subject: [Moon] KP4AO References: <013D96E6E0F146A093A9A29A2D74DB92@SPACE> Message-ID: <72B67B8449D14C208D525F16D26A0BAF@mar.intralot.com> Hi Angel & all Congrats to KP4AO operators, FB 1st test run results and overall effort. As i was abroad on qrl i could not be qrv at the time. I hope to be given the chance to hear the UFB signal i am reading about, someday in the future. As many pointed out, 70cm is a GREAT band for moonbounce. 2m also. And especially the fact what can be achieved in cw eme qrp or not, if only he persists & tries. For a reference see: http://users.skynet.be/on7eh/EME.htm 73 Jimmy SV1BTR ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANGEL WP4G" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:45 PM Subject: [Moon-net] KP4AO > Hello to all , Thanks for all the good words and advice you are showing. > I will pass them to Angel WP3R and Pedro NP4A . Let me remark how > outstanding signals are from this end. Being active on HF too , the pile > up is no different than any major pile up on HF. The operating conditions > for pile up handling are not the best. At least for these two tests , we > operate standup and with no earphones. Yesterday TX to RX was done with a > PC , last Friday was completely manual with a mechanical switch and was > not easy to do. The space is very limited because we where operating > right at the waveguide transition to coax in a close space. For the > official activity there will be much better conditions. Yesterday we had > to stop for a few minutes to unwrap the platform because was getting to > the limit rotation and start time was a bit delayed due to some finals > requests from the AO direction. The JT65 transmission was made for test > only and the RX screen was so overloaded that the rx leve > l jumps from +1 to +25 . The PC used at the moment took for ever to decode > .... The split operation provide a more smooth operation , but there was > a lot of AO employees that wanted to hear the moon echoes ( that's why we > use speaker only) that we had to check our own frequency often. Next month > in the official activity I think things will be a bit more "scheduled". > Congratulations to all stations who get thru the pile up and see you all > in the moon next month. 73 wp4g > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > From ok1tehlist at seznam.cz Thu Mar 25 18:19:51 2010 From: ok1tehlist at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?OK1TEH=20Petrzilka?=) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:19:51 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Moon] KP4AO recorded at OK1TEH (23elY) In-Reply-To: <72B67B8449D14C208D525F16D26A0BAF@mar.intralot.com> Message-ID: <69040.22712.34797-22645-1930765120-1269537591@seznam.cz> Hi all, several stations were asking about KP4AO's log. As I have about 95% of all what KP4AO TXed, I listened my audio records and made the QSO list what I heard. All mp3 files are in two kinds, files with "Q" in the name are in the highest bitrate (256kbps) and second without "Q" in lower bitrate (64kpbs). The full lenght of all files is 3h 37min 24s. Files from Friday 19th March 2010: http://ok1teh.nagano.cz/mp3/kp4ao_19march2010/ 1st file 32:00 min long CW: OK1KIR, G3LTF, K2UYH, OK1TEH, DG1KJG, OK2POI NC?, K2UYH, SP7DCS, ES5PC, F6FHP, 2nd file 32:51 min long CW: OZ6OL then SSB: unknown, UA3PTW, DL7APV, DG1KJG, 9H1TX, F6FHP, OK1VPZ, G4RGK, OK2KKW, OK2POE, OH1GB (got wrong call should be 9H1GB), ?9A unknown QSO in spanish, 9H1GB, G2CX?. 3rd file 32:51 min long SSB: HE9G?, GM4CXM, then back in CW: G6EFX, DF9QX Files from Monday 22nd March 2010: http://ok1teh.nagano.cz/mp3/kp4ao_22march2010/ 1st file 32:00 min long CW: DL9KR 599, SM2CEJ 599 (should be SM2CEW), WA3CHG 599, I1NDP 599, SM7GVF 599, LX1DBL no report? (should be LX1DB), WA4NJP 599, W3XS 599, ?QRM, UA4AQL 599, DF3RU 599, WA6PY 599, SM4IVE 599 2nd file 32:00 min long CW DL5FN 599, OZ4MM 599, K3MF 599, SM7GVF 599, W7AMI 599, WA7AMI 599, IK6ESW 599 (SHOULD BE IK6EIW), NC1I 599, UX5UL 599, then QSY SSB: SP6JLW 59?, DL7APV ?, LX1DB 59/59+20, SM4IVE 59, 3rd file 31:51 min long SSB: new OP, ?QRM 59, W5Y? 59, OE6TA? 59, DC1DO ?, DM3ASU ?, S51ZO 59, LX1DB 59, SJ16KDN? 59, SM4IVE 59+, OK1DFC 59/59+20, LU7DZ 59, LZ1DX 59, S53RM 59, KP4AO start listening 5-10kHz UP, W7AMI 59, SM2A 59, G4DHF 59, G3LTF 59, 7W?4TM 59, 9A2SB 59, WW2R 59, UT6UG 59, WD5AGO 59NC?, W8TXT 599, 4th file 31:39 min long SSB: SM3UZS 59, F6FHP 59, UT6UG 59, ?W8PQX from California 59, K3MF 59, N2GHR 59, OK1TEH 55/56 last SSB QSO with op Angel WP4G, then at 23:00utc CQ KP4A0 FK68 in JT65 -4dB, last signal from KP4AO at 2302utc CQ KP4A0 FK68 -4dB. Some more records made on 6el yagi at OK2POI -> http://ok2poi.blogspot.com btw I made all the records on 23el dk7zb 5,7m boom yagi, more about my station at http://ok1teh.nagano.cz 73 Matej, OK1TEH From gabercr at nc.rr.com Thu Mar 25 18:22:11 2010 From: gabercr at nc.rr.com (gabercr at nc.rr.com) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:22:11 -0400 Subject: [Moon] N8CQ QRV 144Mhz Dubus EME Message-ID: <20100325172211.3JEW4.459141.root@cdptpa-web11-z01> Got one of my "internet gaming" sons to help put up the portable H-frame this morning. Looks like I will be able to retain limited polarity rotation on 144Mhz also - at least 45 degrees of rotation at low elevation and 90% of rotation at higher elevations and still clear the ground. I am trying to mount the M2 yagis towards the ends which is a lot of dead weight but the H-frame was built for a much larger 432Mhz array so hopefully no problems with attempting this. Still lots of work to do to get ready for my first attempt on 144Mhz EME. 4 x 12 ele M2 yagis, limited polarity rotation, 1.5KW homebrew 8877PA I will post updated photos of the setup on my web page tomorrow when completed. http://www.rfdesignpatterns.com Gary, N8CQ From K-Jarl at algonet.se Thu Mar 25 18:53:27 2010 From: K-Jarl at algonet.se (Kjell Jarl) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:53:27 +0100 Subject: [Moon] KP4AO recorded at OK1TEH (23elY) In-Reply-To: <69040.22712.34797-22645-1930765120-1269537591@seznam.cz> References: <69040.22712.34797-22645-1930765120-1269537591@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <4BABA317.1020005@algonet.se> Hi Matej, Thanks for trying to log what was sent, interesting. From what you heard, it looks like I worked them more than once on CW. But I did not. At the first two attempts they replied to SM7GUF ( a U) and I had no chance to correct it, as their transmission was like "SM7GVF 599 TU", what ever they meant by that, and the pile up started again. I even did not send a report. At the last attempt I was able to correct my call sign and they even sent rogers to me, a drastic change in operating procedure. Viljos recordings are also interesting to listen to. 28el, 500 W. 73 Kjell SM7GVF OK1TEH Petrzilka wrote: > Hi all, > several stations were asking about KP4AO's log. As I have about 95% of > all what KP4AO TXed, I listened my audio records and made the QSO list what > I heard. All mp3 files are in two kinds, files with "Q" in the name are in the highest > bitrate (256kbps) and second without "Q" in lower bitrate (64kpbs). > The full lenght of all files is 3h 37min 24s. > > > Files from Friday 19th March 2010: > http://ok1teh.nagano.cz/mp3/kp4ao_19march2010/ > > 1st file 32:00 min long > CW: OK1KIR, G3LTF, K2UYH, OK1TEH, DG1KJG, OK2POI NC?, > K2UYH, SP7DCS, ES5PC, F6FHP, > > 2nd file 32:51 min long > CW: OZ6OL then SSB: unknown, UA3PTW, DL7APV, DG1KJG, > 9H1TX, F6FHP, OK1VPZ, G4RGK, OK2KKW, OK2POE, OH1GB (got > wrong call should be 9H1GB), ?9A unknown QSO in spanish, 9H1GB, G2CX?. > > 3rd file 32:51 min long > SSB: HE9G?, GM4CXM, then back in CW: G6EFX, DF9QX > > > > > Files from Monday 22nd March 2010: > http://ok1teh.nagano.cz/mp3/kp4ao_22march2010/ > > 1st file 32:00 min long > CW: DL9KR 599, SM2CEJ 599 (should be SM2CEW), WA3CHG 599, I1NDP 599, SM7GVF > 599, LX1DBL no report? (should be LX1DB), WA4NJP 599, W3XS 599, ?QRM, > UA4AQL 599, DF3RU 599, WA6PY 599, SM4IVE 599 > > 2nd file 32:00 min long > CW DL5FN 599, OZ4MM 599, K3MF 599, SM7GVF 599, W7AMI 599, WA7AMI 599, > IK6ESW 599 (SHOULD BE IK6EIW), NC1I 599, UX5UL 599, then QSY SSB: SP6JLW > 59?, DL7APV ?, LX1DB 59/59+20, SM4IVE 59, > > 3rd file 31:51 min long > SSB: new OP, ?QRM 59, W5Y? 59, OE6TA? 59, DC1DO ?, DM3ASU ?, S51ZO 59, > LX1DB 59, SJ16KDN? 59, SM4IVE 59+, OK1DFC 59/59+20, LU7DZ 59, LZ1DX 59, > S53RM 59, KP4AO start listening 5-10kHz UP, W7AMI 59, SM2A 59, G4DHF 59, > G3LTF 59, 7W?4TM 59, 9A2SB 59, WW2R 59, UT6UG 59, WD5AGO 59NC?, W8TXT 599, > > 4th file 31:39 min long > SSB: SM3UZS 59, F6FHP 59, UT6UG 59, ?W8PQX from California 59, K3MF 59, > N2GHR 59, OK1TEH 55/56 last SSB QSO with op Angel WP4G, then at 23:00utc CQ > KP4A0 FK68 in JT65 -4dB, last signal from KP4AO at 2302utc CQ KP4A0 FK68 -4dB. > > Some more records made on 6el yagi at OK2POI -> http://ok2poi.blogspot.com > > btw I made all the records on 23el dk7zb 5,7m boom yagi, more > about my station at http://ok1teh.nagano.cz > > 73 > Matej, OK1TEH > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list > > From kc3re at yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 02:17:36 2010 From: kc3re at yahoo.com (Cristofori Concerts) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] 432 interference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <30014.91123.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Paul, Yes, I heard something like this in the rover earlier this afternoon here in FM18dp, Virginia, about 50 miles or so due west of Washington, D.C. Very strong signals sweeping up and down across the entire 432 band + and -. I had been repositioning the 432 antenna changeover relay and first thought that the signals were caused by the relay's being too close to car wiring, computer/controls, but had to go back to work and could not check it further Now (2100 edst local,) the signals are gone. I had not tried to peak the yagis at all-they were facing c. north at the time. Wonder if anyone else heard this or has any ideas? 73, Martin, KC3RE --- On Thu, 3/25/10, wa3qpx at atlanticbb.net wrote: > From: wa3qpx at atlanticbb.net > Subject: [Moon-net] 432 interference > To: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net > Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 12:44 PM > I am seeing what looks like > radar sweeps across the entire 70cm band They > are so strong I can just hear the local club beacon. > Anyone else seeing them besides me in Northern > Delaware? Paul, wa3qpx > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > From k2dh at frontiernet.net Fri Mar 26 03:02:07 2010 From: k2dh at frontiernet.net (Dave Hallidy) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:02:07 -0400 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] 432 interference In-Reply-To: <30014.91123.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <30014.91123.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's the price we have to pay for being part of a shared service. 70cms is shared with Radiolocation (radar) and in certain parts of the country, we can't operate or have to use severely reduced power (so be glad you aren't in those locations). Turn on your noise blanker, it will usually take the radar completely out. Dave K2DH -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On Behalf Of Cristofori Concerts Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM To: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net; wa3qpx at atlanticbb.net Cc: moon at moonbounce.info Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] 432 interference Hi Paul, Yes, I heard something like this in the rover earlier this afternoon here in FM18dp, Virginia, about 50 miles or so due west of Washington, D.C. Very strong signals sweeping up and down across the entire 432 band + and -. I had been repositioning the 432 antenna changeover relay and first thought that the signals were caused by the relay's being too close to car wiring, computer/controls, but had to go back to work and could not check it further Now (2100 edst local,) the signals are gone. I had not tried to peak the yagis at all-they were facing c. north at the time. Wonder if anyone else heard this or has any ideas? 73, Martin, KC3RE --- On Thu, 3/25/10, wa3qpx at atlanticbb.net wrote: > From: wa3qpx at atlanticbb.net > Subject: [Moon-net] 432 interference > To: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net > Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 12:44 PM I am seeing what looks like > radar sweeps across the entire 70cm band They are so strong I can > just hear the local club beacon. > Anyone else seeing them besides me in Northern Delaware? Paul, wa3qpx > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list From k6pf at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 26 06:21:53 2010 From: k6pf at sbcglobal.net (Bob Kocisko) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:21:53 -0700 Subject: [Moon] QRV for DUBUS Contest Message-ID: <004e01cacca4$3fb80d90$bf671c4b@Office> Hello 2m EME Friends: I will be QRV for part of this weekend on 2m cw random for the DUBUS contest. Probably won't be home fm QRL until abt 0100 to 0200Z on 27 March. Will be QRV during much of my EU window if condx are gud. On 28 March, my moonrise is ~0000z & agn will be on as much of my EU window as possible. Will search & pounce & also call CQ between 144.040 to .060. GL to all & hope to work as many of you as possible. 73, Bob, K6PF DM13ar 4 x M^2 2MXP20s (19dBd, x-pol) FT-1000MP, LT-2S xvtr, 8877 HPA running 1.5 KW From ja4blc at web-sanin.co.jp Fri Mar 26 09:23:21 2010 From: ja4blc at web-sanin.co.jp (Yoshiro Mataka JA4BLC) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:23:21 +0900 Subject: [Moon] DUBUS 10GHz Message-ID: <4BAC6EF9.9010201@web-sanin.co.jp> Hi All JA6CZD and JA4BLC will transmit in the DUBUS contest on 10450MHz. Our window : March 27 0830z - 1830z March 28 0940z - 1900z JA6CZD will TX on 10450.120 and listen 10368.*** and 10450.*** JA4BLC will TX on 10450.080 and listen 10368.*** and 10450.*** We have some skeds on 10450.100/10368.100. GL de Yoshiro JA4BLC From pa3cwn at tele2.nl Fri Mar 26 10:08:00 2010 From: pa3cwn at tele2.nl (Oene) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:08:00 +0100 Subject: [Moon] FSK CW Message-ID: <4BAC7970.8080206@tele2.nl> Hello Friends, First I wish all of you much of look on this weekend EME contest by Dubus and hope you've all have a great time with many qso's. I am a bit jealous cause I had hoped my antennes raised by now, but I do not have permission yet, though some little shift towards a positive result are there, but knock on wood. My real question I want to ask you is your opinion on FSK CW in EME work. I know very few who use it on 2m but no idea how situations on 70cm, 23 cm and up. I am considering using FSK CW in the future because it gives less interference in the neighbourhood and especially 'the neighbourhood' is often the cause of troubles when we want to setup a tower at all in PA. (And I read in an ARRL pdf that even in the USA permission is becoming more difficult to setup a tower as in the past) FSK though has also dis-advantages and that one will be noticeable on the side of the qso partner. What is your experience when you received an FSK CW signal when it is very weak ? I can imagine that one focussing on the reverse CW ( or space) signal and this could be very frustrating as the 'real signal' is somewhat higher in frequency. Your experiences can tell me what to do. Is it preferable to have a rather narrow shift between mark and space ; let's say 170 Hz, like in RTTY ? Or is a shift from 1 kHz as one often encounter at VHF beacon preferrable ? I believe that 425 Hz is recommended for F1A . Another option would be AFSK, just like in JT65 and the big advantage from this mode is that one causes less QRM in the neighbourhood vs. real CW. It is easy to configure as for real FSK one has to dig in the rig and I have to figure out yet how to do in a Kenwood TS-711. I hope you can give me some usefull input on this , but pse no discussion JT / CW Good luck to all !!!!!!!!!!! Vy 73 Oene PA3CWN From f2tu.philippe at orange.fr Fri Mar 26 10:23:27 2010 From: f2tu.philippe at orange.fr (F2TU Philippe) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:23:27 +0100 Subject: [Moon] DUBUS 10GHz Message-ID: <4BAC7D0F.9070308@orange.fr> Hi All, I will bee qrv on 10 GHz. 10368.100 +/-. Listen also 10450.*** March 27, 00:00 - 02:00 & 16:30 - 24:00 March 28, 00:00 - 02:00 & 18:00 - 24:00 Hopes high activity. GL 73 -- Philippe F2TU http://F2TU.perso.orange.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100326/8dfbe2e7/attachment.htm From guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de Fri Mar 26 10:28:54 2010 From: guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de (Guenter Koellner) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:28:54 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] FSK CW In-Reply-To: <4BAC7970.8080206@tele2.nl> References: <4BAC7970.8080206@tele2.nl> Message-ID: <61732.217.10.60.85.1269595734.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de> Hi, just my few cents, since here in DL we have a very strong EMC regulation for life protection, that covers A1A signals, and which is very weak for continous signals, like FM. Why not shift the "unused" part to a common frequency? A frequency wastebasket... No one says the shift must be compliant to a standard. So if all shift their unused carrier to 144.088 (just to tell a number), it would only waste one frequency and keep the rest of the band as is. Joking: I just can imagine someone then goes to the wastebasket and tries to detect a digital transmission signal... 73, G?nter (dl4mea) > Hello Friends, > > First I wish all of you much of look on this weekend EME contest by > Dubus and > hope you've all have a great time with many qso's. > > I am a bit jealous cause I had hoped my antennes raised by now, but I do > not have > permission yet, though some little shift towards a positive result are > there, but knock > on wood. > > My real question I want to ask you is your opinion on FSK CW in EME > work. > I know very few who use it on 2m but no idea how situations on 70cm, 23 > cm and up. > > I am considering using FSK CW in the future because it gives less > interference > in the neighbourhood and especially 'the neighbourhood' is often the > cause of > troubles when we want to setup a tower at all in PA. > (And I read in an ARRL pdf that even in the USA permission is becoming > more > difficult to setup a tower as in the past) > > FSK though has also dis-advantages and that one will be noticeable on > the side > of the qso partner. > What is your experience when you received an FSK CW signal when it is > very weak ? > I can imagine that one focussing on the reverse CW ( or space) signal > and this > could be very frustrating as the 'real signal' is somewhat higher in > frequency. > > Your experiences can tell me what to do. > Is it preferable to have a rather narrow shift between mark and space ; > let's say > 170 Hz, like in RTTY ? > Or is a shift from 1 kHz as one often encounter at VHF beacon preferrable > ? > I believe that 425 Hz is recommended for F1A . > > Another option would be AFSK, just like in JT65 and the big advantage > from this mode is that one causes less QRM in the neighbourhood vs. > real CW. > It is easy to configure as for real FSK one has to dig in the rig and I > have > to figure out yet how to do in a Kenwood TS-711. > > I hope you can give me some usefull input on this , but pse no > discussion JT / CW > > Good luck to all !!!!!!!!!!! > > Vy 73 Oene > PA3CWN > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Z1 SecureMail Gateway Info - http://www.zertificon.com | > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | - Die Nachricht war weder verschluesselt noch digital unterschrieben | > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > From vladimir.masek at volny.cz Fri Mar 26 10:37:55 2010 From: vladimir.masek at volny.cz (vladimir.masek at volny.cz) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:37:55 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Moon] DUBUS 10GHz_OK1KIR Message-ID: <43fe9bf0013155bcf47c3866be910dc1@www1-mail.volny.cz> FYI, OK1KIR plan to be QRV during DUBUS Contest on 10368.xxx MHz TX/RX and/or on 10450.xxx MHz TX/RX as follows. 27.3. Sat 00:00 - 02:30 and 15:00 - 24:00 UT, 28.3. Sun 00:00 - 03:00 and 16:30 - 24:00 UT, GL to all over the globe ! 73, Vladimir for OK1KIR If somebody concerned, you can find more info on [1]www.ok1kir.cz Reference 1. http://www.ok1kir.cz/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100326/dfeae2a0/attachment.htm From K-Jarl at algonet.se Fri Mar 26 11:00:46 2010 From: K-Jarl at algonet.se (Kjell Jarl) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 11:00:46 +0100 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] FSK CW In-Reply-To: <61732.217.10.60.85.1269595734.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de> References: <4BAC7970.8080206@tele2.nl> <61732.217.10.60.85.1269595734.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de> Message-ID: <4BAC85CE.2050208@algonet.se> Hi, Wouldn't a large shift produce large sidebands/interference, therefore a narrower shift would be preferable, and with a filtered shift/keying. Maybe better risk the called station is listening to the key-up carrier than interfere with stations within tropo reach. I usually runs a 300 Hz wide filter, so a shift larger than that would be fine for me, others may use larger filters and thus the brain filter may have difficulties. 73 Kjell, SM7GVF Guenter Koellner wrote: > Hi, > > just my few cents, since here in DL we have a very strong EMC regulation > for life protection, that covers A1A signals, and which is very weak for > continous signals, like FM. > > Why not shift the "unused" part to a common frequency? A frequency > wastebasket... No one says the shift must be compliant to a standard. So > if all shift their unused carrier to 144.088 (just to tell a number), it > would only waste one frequency and keep the rest of the band as is. > > Joking: I just can imagine someone then goes to the wastebasket and tries > to detect a digital transmission signal... > > 73, G?nter (dl4mea) > > >> Hello Friends, >> >> First I wish all of you much of look on this weekend EME contest by >> Dubus and >> hope you've all have a great time with many qso's. >> >> I am a bit jealous cause I had hoped my antennes raised by now, but I do >> not have >> permission yet, though some little shift towards a positive result are >> there, but knock >> on wood. >> >> My real question I want to ask you is your opinion on FSK CW in EME >> work. >> I know very few who use it on 2m but no idea how situations on 70cm, 23 >> cm and up. >> >> I am considering using FSK CW in the future because it gives less >> interference >> in the neighbourhood and especially 'the neighbourhood' is often the >> cause of >> troubles when we want to setup a tower at all in PA. >> (And I read in an ARRL pdf that even in the USA permission is becoming >> more >> difficult to setup a tower as in the past) >> >> FSK though has also dis-advantages and that one will be noticeable on >> the side >> of the qso partner. >> What is your experience when you received an FSK CW signal when it is >> very weak ? >> I can imagine that one focussing on the reverse CW ( or space) signal >> and this >> could be very frustrating as the 'real signal' is somewhat higher in >> frequency. >> >> Your experiences can tell me what to do. >> Is it preferable to have a rather narrow shift between mark and space ; >> let's say >> 170 Hz, like in RTTY ? >> Or is a shift from 1 kHz as one often encounter at VHF beacon preferrable >> ? >> I believe that 425 Hz is recommended for F1A . >> >> Another option would be AFSK, just like in JT65 and the big advantage >> from this mode is that one causes less QRM in the neighbourhood vs. >> real CW. >> It is easy to configure as for real FSK one has to dig in the rig and I >> have >> to figure out yet how to do in a Kenwood TS-711. >> >> I hope you can give me some usefull input on this , but pse no >> discussion JT / CW >> >> Good luck to all !!!!!!!!!!! >> >> Vy 73 Oene >> PA3CWN >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at >> http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html >> >> >> >> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> | Z1 SecureMail Gateway Info - http://www.zertificon.com | >> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> | - Die Nachricht war weder verschluesselt noch digital unterschrieben | >> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list > > From vallik at telia.com Fri Mar 26 11:07:04 2010 From: vallik at telia.com (Viljo Allik) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:07:04 +0200 Subject: [Moon] ES5PC qrv in Dubus contest on 2m & 3cm this weekend Message-ID: <4BAC8748.1060902@telia.com> Hi, I will try to be QRV on both 2m & 3cm as much as time and weather permits. On 3cm I will try to follow the others scheduling. As the Moon declination is lower I have no maximum elevation limit for my 2m setup this time. It's also good that I don't need to change the feed at my dish during this contest. GL & CU in the contest! Viljo ES5PC From frankddr at tele2.it Fri Mar 26 11:50:20 2010 From: frankddr at tele2.it (Franco) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 11:50:20 +0100 Subject: [Moon] IK2DDR qrv in Dubus CW 2m EME contest In-Reply-To: <4BAC8748.1060902@telia.com> Message-ID: Hello all, i'll be active on coming weekend, during DUBUS eme Contest. As usual, in this season i have some football commitment, but i'll be active as much as i can, wishing to work the usual "old friends", over some newcomer. Good luck to all and, please if you call me and you receive from me "QRZ-QRZ", be patient untill condition improves. LAST NEW: my good friend Graziano, IK3MAC and his crew (I3MEK,I3YXQ,I3DLI.....over the boss)should be active full time and it should be a good opportunity for small stations and the newcomers, to work on cw eme for the first time. Don't miss this good opportunity. ciao 73' Francesco,IK2DDR From oaxaca at oregoncoast.com Fri Mar 26 14:16:13 2010 From: oaxaca at oregoncoast.com (TdM LABs) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:16:13 +0000 Subject: [Moon] QRV for DUBUS Contest cn72 In-Reply-To: <004e01cacca4$3fb80d90$bf671c4b@Office> References: <004e01cacca4$3fb80d90$bf671c4b@Office> Message-ID: <4BACB39D.7050006@oregoncoast.com> Aloha to all: I will be qrv 2m during most of my moons for the 27 and 28th 2m segment Eu WW EME. I will be at the CN72 property and operating QRP class. I am however hauling my wse converters down there so will have stereo linrad. My antenna is very small 5wl two polarity. I do have 1k5 watt Tx. So I hope to at least complete with some and offer a new grid in this contest. I will go first to answer CQs I am seeing, hen later in the test will be at my old day .077 frequency calling CQ. Hope to work some of you on this good condition weekend on cw.... Jeremy www.w7eme.org From brian-coleman at tiscali.co.uk Fri Mar 26 14:52:21 2010 From: brian-coleman at tiscali.co.uk (Brian Coleman) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:52:21 -0000 Subject: [Moon] 10GHz Message-ID: <592FA18744CC4C64B79990912F2EAE14@OFFICEMACHINE> Hello Folks I hope to be QRV but have limited time due to other commitments. Possible times are 23:00Z on 27th to 01:00 0n 28th and from 21:00 to 23:00 on 28th. 73 Brian G4NNS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See you, 73 de Chris SP7DCS -- Chris SP7DCS email - sp7dcs at wp.pl, sp7dcs at o2.pl, sp7dcs at smrw.lodz.pl EME PAGE - http://sp7dcs.webpark.pl From sm7wsj at telia.com Fri Mar 26 20:59:27 2010 From: sm7wsj at telia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5kan_H?=) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:59:27 +0100 Subject: [Moon] 144mhz CW Message-ID: Hello Moonbouncers I am planning to be QRV for a good show on the moon saturday evening. (and as long as i can stay awake) Equipment 15dBd single yagi & EME power 73 Hakan SM7WSJ PS: May the force be with you,,, From eme_ww2r at g4fre.com Fri Mar 26 23:36:47 2010 From: eme_ww2r at g4fre.com (eme) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:36:47 -0500 Subject: [Moon] ww2r qrv 2m eme for the 1st time In-Reply-To: <4BACFA29.1020609@wp.pl> Message-ID: For the first time ever, (but EME band number 6!) WW2R will be qrv on 2m cw eme this weekend I have a 17b2 with full az/el and a 500w solid state I0JXX amplifier Good luck to all Dave ww2r From oaxaca at oregoncoast.com Sat Mar 27 05:49:31 2010 From: oaxaca at oregoncoast.com (TdM LABs) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:49:31 +0000 Subject: [Moon] ww2r qrv 2m eme for the 1st time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BAD8E5B.4090003@oregoncoast.com> Aloha Dave es all: Hope you don't get board on 144...hi! A video of my single 17b2, and 1k5watt portable tonight from our cabin in CN72 and one of the loud ones, ik3mac... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKAoOU8XYKw Tomorrow's moon I will have second antenna up for V pol at portable and running WSE converters/Linrad stereo, hope to maybe work two or three more yet! Jeremy www.w7eme.org Too much fun. eme wrote: > For the first time ever, (but EME band number 6!) WW2R will be qrv on > 2m cw eme this weekend > > I have a 17b2 with full az/el and a 500w solid state I0JXX amplifier > > Good luck to all > > Dave > > ww2r > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list > > From rmb1991 at live.com Sat Mar 27 06:13:56 2010 From: rmb1991 at live.com (Ron Barlow) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 01:13:56 -0400 Subject: [Moon] N4GJV QRV 144MHz in DUBUS CW EME contest In-Reply-To: <002301caccf6$bcb1f200$6601a8c0@OLSFSSE01> References: <002301caccf6$bcb1f200$6601a8c0@OLSFSSE01> Message-ID: Many thanks to the CW 2M EME enthusiasts that I worked, thus far, during the DUBUS/REF test! I will be QRV again, during the next moon pass, and hope to contact some of the multitude that I heard, but did not work, during the first pass. I may not be able to be QRV during my third pass, due to expected bad wx. condx. The receive side of my new system has not been optimized, but I still heard many excellent signals! I am looking forward to meeting more old EME friends, as well as some new ones! GL & 73 de Ron N4GJV 4 x 3.1 WL, fixed horizontal polarity, 2 x 4CX250B PA _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100327/4b961f13/attachment.htm From pa3cwn at tele2.nl Sat Mar 27 07:57:18 2010 From: pa3cwn at tele2.nl (Oene) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:57:18 +0100 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] FSK CW In-Reply-To: <4482f5221003260732l3b28aaceq450a60a58da223c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4BAC7970.8080206@tele2.nl> <4482f5221003260732l3b28aaceq450a60a58da223c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BADAC4E.4040207@tele2.nl> Thanks Guenter, Kjell and Earl The idea from Guenter , shifting the space or reverse CW part to a wastebasket frequency sounds like a very good idea to me Although, I guess it will not be easy to modify any modern transceiver with an option to transmit and shift the signal over many kHz within the same TX period. Maybe for that I will homebrew a small 144 mhz transmitter at a fixed frequency, that will be keyed by the reverse CW signal and it's output coupled to the driver stages of the PA, resulting in a constant amplitude at the output of the PA. In that case extra attention should be paid that there won't be left very small gaps in the output corresponding the time needed to switch between the mark and space part. I guess there will be some space left in my TS711 to add such an extra module. I prefer a fixed frequency at the beginning of the band, because the first 40 kHz are almost useless because of the many birdies and thus not interfere with 088 which is still being used. 144005 for example would be usefull. However the idea Kjell and Earl give would be easier if the receiving side would be capable with some kind of filtering to let the unwanted part out of the narrow passband, or just as Earl described, making use of the reverse CW signal. When I think about that, it is maybe possible within Linrad and Winrad to implement such an option, but we have to ask Leif SM5BSZ and Alberto I2PHD if that is possible. That there will be added some kind of filtering by means of clicking on a FSK button and let software do the work. I.E. when using 425 Hz spacing those two signals will be visible on the waterfall. By clicking on one of those signals , the FSK option if selected, uses the reverse CW information for better S/N reception of the real CW part of this FSK signal and blocks the audio output of this reserve CW part. In that case I think the reverse part would even help more to pull out the weak signal and this extra advantage compensating the somewhat weaker signal because of somewhat reduced output any FSK transmitter will require because of the higher duty cycle. Earl that seems a very good idea but needs work from the software specialists ! Anyway many thanks for your contribution so far and let's see what follows ! Vy 73 Oene PA3CWN Earl Shaffer schreef: > HI Oene. > > If your FSK is under computer control, you could shift the unused > reverse CW signal to somewhat > random frequencies inside a passband, say -1Khz to -2Khz. You could > also warble the reverse CW > signal to cause a reduction by signal spreading. That should stop > people with narrow > CW filters from trying to copy reverse CW. An even better aproach > would be to use the reverse CW > in a positive way to enhance CW copy. For instance in a simple > implementation, the reverse CW > signal can reduce the audio gain in proportion to the signal level of > the reverse CW enhancing CW > copy. People would be free of course to use the enhanced reception > software or not. This could > even be done in hardware if preferred especially if a standard is > agree on. Some people would likely > learn to copy the full FSK signal by ear. It would not be too > different then CW. When you > begin an FSK transmission you could ramp up the signal slowly on the > reverse CW signal to > minimize a key click when transmitting. Don't forget to use very good > power supply filtering > to minimize detected AC hum. You will probably have to reduce power > because duty cycle > is very high. This dis-advantage can be offset by using software that > takes advantage of the > reverse CW signal. The lower power level would further reduce RFI. > This seems like a good idea > to me if it makes the difference between getting on the air and not. > Don't forget that when RFI > is a problem, another viable solution is to use an array with low > sidelobes. This solution can be > used with FSK if you wish. You may have to design and build your own > low sidelobe array > since few commercial companies do that. 23cm may be a good solution > for you too since > a dish at 23cm can be very directional with very low sidelobes > especially when under-illuminated. > Obviously standard digital modes would offer the same FSK solution as > well but it seems your > perference is CW. :-) > > 73, Jim Shaffer, WB9UWA. > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Oene wrote: > >> Hello Friends, >> >> First I wish all of you much of look on this weekend EME contest by Dubus >> and >> hope you've all have a great time with many qso's. >> >> I am a bit jealous cause I had hoped my antennes raised by now, but I do not >> have >> permission yet, though some little shift towards a positive result are >> there, but knock >> on wood. >> >> My real question I want to ask you is your opinion on FSK CW in EME >> work. >> I know very few who use it on 2m but no idea how situations on 70cm, 23 cm >> and up. >> >> I am considering using FSK CW in the future because it gives less >> interference >> in the neighbourhood and especially 'the neighbourhood' is often the cause >> of >> troubles when we want to setup a tower at all in PA. >> (And I read in an ARRL pdf that even in the USA permission is becoming more >> difficult to setup a tower as in the past) >> >> FSK though has also dis-advantages and that one will be noticeable on the >> side >> of the qso partner. >> What is your experience when you received an FSK CW signal when it is very >> weak ? >> I can imagine that one focussing on the reverse CW ( or space) signal and >> this >> could be very frustrating as the 'real signal' is somewhat higher in >> frequency. >> >> Your experiences can tell me what to do. >> Is it preferable to have a rather narrow shift between mark and space ; >> let's say >> 170 Hz, like in RTTY ? >> Or is a shift from 1 kHz as one often encounter at VHF beacon preferrable ? >> I believe that 425 Hz is recommended for F1A . >> >> Another option would be AFSK, just like in JT65 and the big advantage >> from this mode is that one causes less QRM in the neighbourhood vs. real >> CW. >> It is easy to configure as for real FSK one has to dig in the rig and I have >> to figure out yet how to do in a Kenwood TS-711. >> >> I hope you can give me some usefull input on this , but pse no discussion JT >> / CW >> >> Good luck to all !!!!!!!!!!! >> >> Vy 73 Oene >> PA3CWN >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at >> http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > From ok1dfc at seznam.cz Sat Mar 27 09:53:32 2010 From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:53:32 +0100 Subject: [Moon] 432 MHz feed Message-ID: Guys worked little bit more with modification of OM6AA feed for 432 MHz. First tests and results showing progress and I hope to will have time to public more details also with rotation of feed, measuring, etc. http://www.ok1dfc.com/EME/technic/432feed/432feed.htm See you on 432 soon! Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100327/17b9239a/attachment.htm From DL7UDA at versanet.de Sat Mar 27 10:15:52 2010 From: DL7UDA at versanet.de (DL7UDA) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:15:52 +0100 Subject: [Moon] DL7UDA qrv 2m cw Message-ID: <4BADCCC8.3050904@versanet.de> Hi all, in about 2 hours I will go to my EME QTH (70 km from home). Hope wx will be better and can qrv tonight. Here still raining. 2x DK7ZB 10el. , ICOM 275H + GS35B, preamp. 0.4 dB See you via moon. 73 Dietmar DL7UDA From jimmyv at hol.gr Sat Mar 27 10:41:52 2010 From: jimmyv at hol.gr (Dimitris Vitorakis) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:41:52 +0200 Subject: [Moon] 1st pass 2m section European WW EME Contest References: Message-ID: Apologies to those 4-5? stations i missed last night in my 2 hrs window. QRN from 22KV lines at moonset was bad (even though wx is still not as hot). I was working the stations in S-6 noise. Will be qrv today full moon pass starting at 14:45 utc. All stations who enjoy copying the cw melody off the moon & human contacts welcome! 73 & GL Jimmy SV1BTR 2m: 16*6el. xpol 70cm: 12*15el. H & 12*15el. V 23/13cm: 4.9m dish From frankddr at tele2.it Sat Mar 27 13:09:20 2010 From: frankddr at tele2.it (Franco) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:09:20 +0100 Subject: [Moon] 1st pass 2m section European WW EME Contest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello all, during first Moonpass i was active from 00:00 U.T.C , untill 02:40 U.T.C. I found a good activity and i was very happy to hear someone, coming back on CW contests, after few years. Tonight i'll be active, not full time but for a good number of hours. I wish to hear new and old friends. Good luck to all and for the single yagi stations, don't forget that you can work, with a lot of patience, a large number of stations, like mine. 73' Francesco,IK2DDR From dl5mae at yahoo.de Sat Mar 27 14:40:09 2010 From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:40:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Moon] QRV after 16 utc 2m DUBUS Message-ID: <789845.65978.qm@web23702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi friends, just fired up my 2m EME station. Seems everything working OK . Band sounds a bit noisy today ......maybe some local noise, maybe a bit static and some sun noise. I guess things will get more quiet in the evening and with higher elevation. Will be QRV after 16utc ...1630 utc. First activity on 2m EME this year from my side... vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verf?gt ?ber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100327/d2615e13/attachment.htm From guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de Sat Mar 27 18:58:14 2010 From: guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de (Guenter Koellner) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:58:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] FSK CW In-Reply-To: <4BADAC4E.4040207@tele2.nl> References: <4BAC7970.8080206@tele2.nl> <4482f5221003260732l3b28aaceq450a60a58da223c1@mail.gmail.com> <4BADAC4E.4040207@tele2.nl> Message-ID: <1062.62.158.20.142.1269712694.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de> Hi, when I made my suggestion, in fact I was aware about clicks and what the wide shift could cause. But neither, we have so many signal theory well-known people among us, that this should surely be solveable. It is a MUST that the carrier does not change its amplitude! It must be pure FM. Just then we are getting the regulations for FM and not for CW. So I think worst solution would be a separate transmitter and switching between the two. We've used FSK for 9600 and even higher baudrates packet radio long ago, maybe something from this experience can be reused. Maybe we have to switch the TX to FM in order to get it working. Maybe we have to touch the internal oscillator. Maybe we need its own transmitter, probably one of the current DDS oscillators can be programmed to this. Maybe a VCO, VXO or such can be used. Think further about this challenge, it might help a lot. 73, G?nter From i5wbe at i5wbe.it Sat Mar 27 20:01:18 2010 From: i5wbe at i5wbe.it (Enrico Baldacci) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:01:18 +0000 Subject: [Moon] XIX Italian EME Meeting Message-ID: <4BAE55FE.50307@i5wbe.it> *XIX Italian EME Meeting * * Associazione Radioamatori Italiani* * * * Tuscany Regional Committee* * * (CRT) *Hotel Joseph Marina di Pietrasanta - Versilia 8th, 9th May 2010* * * *Saturday, May 8 - Afternoon* Welcome to participants, afternoon and evening discussions and EME sector projects, or free evening in Versilia. IK5CON Richard will provide a set for the calibration of antenna preamplifiers up to 2.3 GHz *Sunday, May 9 ** h.0**9,00* Greetings from the defendants by the Club A.R.I. Versilia and Tuscany Regional Committee. Papers on the space communications Award to a distinguished OM for the activity EME, sponsered by Tuscany Regional Committee in memory of I5TDJ Piero Moroni. Award of ARI Versilia to a distinguished OM in the activity and technical advanced ARI Italian EME Contest CW & New Mode 2009 Prizes ARI - W.W. EME Marathon Award Prizes 2009 Lunch and final Greetings During the conference will be on a market exchange between amateur and or work experience. The Hotel Joseph is at 100 meters from the sea, swimmingpool above the restaurant overlooking the Versilia's Panaroma. For lunch reservations and / or night to the Hotel Joseph, specify that you book for the EME Meeting. The Meeting is open to all and free of charge. 73 ' Enrico de I5WBE */ Hotel Joseph Viale Roma, 323 Marina di Pietrasanta Versilia /* */Tel. +39 0584 745 862 Fax +39 058 422 265 e-mail /**/info at bracciotti.com /* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100327/6586b553/attachment.htm From dl5mae at yahoo.de Sat Mar 27 23:25:44 2010 From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:25:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Moon] good activity DUBUS EME TEST Message-ID: <591628.80393.qm@web23702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi All, nice to find good activity from Europe in DUBUS EME TEST . I was QRV only for a few hours and worked 17 stations and heard about 10 more. Have to go QRT now - cant make it for the USA window as I need to get up very early tomorrow. Also change to daylight saving time this night which shortens the night for 1 hour... vy 73 and tnx all for the contacts ! DL5MAE Wolfgang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verf?gt ?ber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100327/ef800f7a/attachment.htm From sm4ive at telia.com Sun Mar 28 09:35:48 2010 From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 09:35:48 +0200 Subject: [Moon] 432 EME Message-ID: Hi all. Yeasterday was not so good activity wise, seems im the only one on CW EME. :-(( I saw VK4EME and heard quite good his diddle doodle, tryed calling hom for a copule of periodes but no response, maybe he did not listning, or can not CW. Later at night i monitored K2UYH working K7XQ on JT Then K2UYH calling CQ on JT a WA3QPX called Al on CW QPX was loud, any info regarding this station? WERE are the CW activity????????? Hope to see more CW activity. Lars SM4IVE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100328/94bc3a01/attachment.htm From frankddr at tele2.it Sun Mar 28 10:03:20 2010 From: frankddr at tele2.it (Franco) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:03:20 +0200 Subject: [Moon] 2nd Moonpass on 2m section European WW EME Contest Message-ID: Hello all, starting a bit after 19.00 utc and untill about 00:00 utc, i was active on 2nd Moonpass, of Dubus cw 2m eme contest. I found beautiful conditions and good activity except after 23:00. I added 12 more stations to my score. I heard my own echo (strong) in most of the time. I'll be active a bit more this afternoon after the Moonrice and i wish to hear some JA-ZL-VK, over the others. Thanks to those stations that have called me with patience and specially to my good friend Stig, OZ4MM, with an outstanding signal here. The game is continuing...... Good luck guys. 73' Francesco, IK2DDR From nw_ebw at MMMonVHF.de Sun Mar 28 12:26:15 2010 From: nw_ebw at MMMonVHF.de (nw_ebw at MMMonVHF.de) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:26:15 +0200 Subject: [Moon] 8Q7 - EME - Updates Message-ID: <4BAF2EC7.4060603@MMMonVHF.de> Hi EMEer... The 8Q7 Team did send us latest Foto, LOG and Scheduals for the last days of operation from Maledives... Have a look at: http://www.mmmonvhf.de/latest.php?id=2896 Good luck and gd sunday to everyone... Mit freundlichem Gru? / best regards 73 de Guy (Guido) D L 8 E B W QTH: JO31NF / DL66a MMMonVHF VHF-DX: MS & EME in WSJT & HSCW Member of the Team of MMMonVHF http://www.MMMonVHF.de We do spread weekly VHF-DX-Newsletter www.mmmonvhf.de/nletter/newsletter.php From jimmyv at hol.gr Sun Mar 28 14:10:53 2010 From: jimmyv at hol.gr (Dimitris Vitorakis) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:10:53 +0300 Subject: [Moon] last pass 2m section European WW EME Contest References: Message-ID: <5392B2CF4E304F9BAD4DFD8B3D881C1D@mar.intralot.com> Hi all having a remote eme qth having to maintain 4 eme bands and spending all time on qrl abroad is an impossible task. I operated much less time on 2m Contest cw section in 2nd moon pass as i was sleepless the whole night & day trying to repair my dish azimuth. I am out of business in the last 4 months due to this problem, on 23/13cm. Even though motor was replaced with a much bigger one, damaged control box now fixed, yesterday i realized that the actual 25Kg rotor has some broken gear. So i took it out and now 4.9m dish remains free and being hold by some ropes - God bless! I really doubt i can be qrv on the 13cm section April 17/18 as i return to SV from abroad just the day before, will do all possible to replace rotor etc. but chances look really slim. Due to being extremely tired last night i could no longer copy weak signal cw and stations calling me (sorry), from fatigue, and despite taking many breaks i eventually decided to go qrt hours earlier. Highlight was working single yagi horizon only qrp stations, e.g. ON7EH , OH6NVQ , et al. Good activity & signals at 2nd pass moonrise hours! Tonight i will be qrv for only 3.5 hours (depending on activity), starting around 16 utc. Worked 40 stations, cw random, so far. Thank you all for the great fun & 73 Jimmy SV1BTR 2m: 16*6el. xpol 70cm: 12*15el. H & 12*15el. V 23/13cm: 4.9m dish From dl5mae at yahoo.de Sun Mar 28 14:41:33 2010 From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:41:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Moon] QRV 2m EME tonight again Message-ID: <200595.71185.qm@web23707.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi all , I plan to be QRV 2m EME again tonight. Last night condx were rather good at times. I do hope to work more stations , also those which I never heard on CQ (i.e. hrd CT1HZE, IT9CJC or ES5PC calling others with very loud sigs ). I plan to fire on 2m station after 18z for 2...3 hours. vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verf?gt ?ber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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During the first moonpasses conditions had been very much up and down and also heavy rain (first this year) made a lot of problems. Apologies for all my QRZ due to heavy rain, but I hope it will stay dry this evening and possible to work a pair of lost and new stations. Good luck to all, Best 73, OZ1HNE Jorgen. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100328/b2260711/attachment.htm From ok1dfc at seznam.cz Sun Mar 28 16:42:21 2010 From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:42:21 +0200 Subject: [Moon] 8Q7QQ 70cm Message-ID: Guys just received info, that who heard or decoded 8Q7QQ on 432 MHz will have chance on Monday from 20UT again as a last chance. So please send me your request to be on the list and I try to pass it to Dan HB9CRQ. I have to have all calls here no later at 20UT today. But as I say, only who heard or decoded them, no time for experiments as Dan says. http://www.vhf.cz/informace-oznameni/2010/8q1.PNG Thanks Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100328/ec00bea9/attachment.htm From David.Hilton-Jones at clneuro.ox.ac.uk Sun Mar 28 18:28:27 2010 From: David.Hilton-Jones at clneuro.ox.ac.uk (David Hilton-Jones) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:28:27 +0100 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] 8Q7QQ 70cm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BAF91AF.09A9.0069.1@clneuro.ox.ac.uk> Thanks for the information Zdenek Unfortunately I could not be QRV until today so I do not know if I would have copied them! If there is any time for a sked tomorrow, or any time when they will call CQ, please let me know. According to your screenshot, you were sending callsigns and locator, and not RO, even though they were sending you callsigns and OOO report? Best 73 and good luck with them David, G4YTL 1kw to 6 x 11 wavelength DJ9BV >>> "OK1DFC" 28/03/2010 15:42 >>> Guys just received info, that who heard or decoded 8Q7QQ on 432 MHz will have chance on Monday from 20UT again as a last chance. So please send me your request to be on the list and I try to pass it to Dan HB9CRQ. I have to have all calls here no later at 20UT today. But as I say, only who heard or decoded them, no time for experiments as Dan says. http://www.vhf.cz/informace-oznameni/2010/8q1.PNG Thanks Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html From sm4ive at telia.com Sun Mar 28 19:11:12 2010 From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:11:12 +0200 Subject: [Moon] 432 EME Message-ID: <472AEAB02C6F4D53BD80D691E1098486@RADIO> Hi gang i just worked wolfgang DL5MAE on our moonrise. Wolfgang used 1 21 elm F9FT and 1Kw no elevation easy QSO in CW off course. Thanks Wolfgang CW is king 73 de Lars SM4IVE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Great fun, 43 stations worked in European EME Contest 2m cw leg, all on random. 73 Jimmy SV1BTR From mail01 at df9cy.de Sun Mar 28 21:31:35 2010 From: mail01 at df9cy.de (Christoph Petermann) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:31:35 +0200 Subject: [Moon] DUBUS EME Test Message-ID: <4BAFAE97.20105@df9cy.de> Hi friends, I had hoped to work at least one of the guys in CW, but that did not go this time. I tried to get at least SV1BTR and called him many times over a period of 2 hours or so, but ... So I decided to switch off the PA and connect a 144/28 MHz converter and my SDR-IQ to the antenna. Using Linrad that was fun. I "saw" sometimes 10 or more (weak) CW stations in the CW section, but with all those birdies (hundreds) I had my difficulties. So I stayed again with SV1BTR and IK3MAC and in most cases I could see the QSO partners producing a trace on the screen. Not bad for a 2.5wl antenna. Tonight neighbour's TV is switched on producing spurs every 50 Hz all over the CW portion of the 2m band. Too bad. As soon they go to bed I will continue listening. 73 de Christoph -- Christoph Petermann DF9CY || www.df9cy.de || www.cpetermann.de From pa3cmc at xs4all.nl Sun Mar 28 22:10:10 2010 From: pa3cmc at xs4all.nl (Lins Berben) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 22:10:10 +0200 Subject: [Moon] For sale 70cm SSPA Message-ID: Hello all, I have a acquired again some (think the last) very nice solidstate TV amplifiers which can be used on 70CM. I have 2 types Rhode & Schwarz 100mW (or 10W) in - 1500W out and Telefunken 25W in -1000W out. If you are interrested i can send you pictures and more information. Lins PA3CMC w w w.pa3cmc.nl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail verf?gt ?ber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100328/970ac39d/attachment.htm From eme_ww2r at g4fre.com Mon Mar 29 02:37:26 2010 From: eme_ww2r at g4fre.com (eme) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:37:26 -0500 Subject: [Moon] ww2r 144 activity report In-Reply-To: <4BAFAE97.20105@df9cy.de> Message-ID: 27 mar UTC: Heard SV1BTR IK3MAC and ?1JCI. SV1BTR was the loudest of the 3. I called him but couldnt raise his attention in 25 minutes. I then called IK3MAC who came back immediately and after 2 iterations of my call he finally got it right. 2m EME QSO #1 EVER.Later, before starting work at 0400 I took another listen and IK3MAC was a still a huge signal. 28 mar UTC: Very windy at moonrise,so not qrv until 0015z. IK3MAC still loud, so was SV1BTR. CWNR SV1BTR for 20 mins. Heard SM4IVE. Copied IK3MAC on single 9 ele handheld yagi! On 17B2, I then copied SP7DCS. Called him (somewhat optimistically!) . He came back immediately for qso #2. Shortly afterwards the moon set in Europe and the band went dead! Equipment: Elecraft k3 with internal 144 Xverter. AM6154 amplifier single 8930, 500w (couldnt use I0JXX 500w as lpf components didnt arrive!). Antenna: Cushcraft 17B2 I think its time to dust off the GS35B amplifier parts and think about a preamp! It was a fun eme week; eme qsos on 3400MHz, 432MHz and 144MHz all within 5 days More info and pictures are at http://g4fre.com/144eme.htm Dave WW2R From TexasRF at aol.com Mon Mar 29 03:21:13 2010 From: TexasRF at aol.com (TexasRF at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:21:13 EDT Subject: [Moon] k5gw activity report Message-ID: <142d7.324a2577.38e15a89@aol.com> I spent some time playing SWL on the 3cm band during the Dubus contest. This was my first activity on the band and I was very pleased with the results. Here is a list of stations heard in the order they were found: OK1KIR rst 57 T7-8 ON5TA rst 55 T7-8 WA7CJO rst 59 T8 ES5PC rst 55 T7-8 WA7CJO SSB 5/6 F2TU rst 55 T7-8 WA6PY rst 56 T7-8 OK1CA rst 56 T7-8 LX1DB rst 57 T7-8 IQ4DF rst 5& T7-8 Overheard LZ1DB working 9A5AA but I heard no trace of AA;s signal. It was very windy at the time and impossible to keep the antenna on the moon for more than a few seconds at the time. I was receiving about 2.5 dB of moon noise so it was quite evident when the antenna was/was not on the moon. I am using my 6.9m homebrew 1296 MHz dish on 3cm. The dish does have some surface irregularities that detract from 3cm performance. I found that purposely under illuminating the .415 f/d dish by using a W2IMU style feed actually improves sun noise (compared to a VE4MA feed) by about 2 dB and widens the beamwidth enough to allow excellent tracking with low or calm winds. The receiving setup could not be simpler: A DB6NT transverter and two stage preamp located at the feed with a run of LMR400 to take the 144 /MHz I.F. signal to the shack and connect to my FT736R transceiver. I plan to install a 3cm PA at the feed as well. The feed horn consists of a piece of 3/4" copper pipe with a WR90 wave guide flange soldered on one end and a brass taper section (thanks to W9IIX) soldered to the other end and then a piece of 1.5" copper pipe soldered to the taper section to make up the output section. All in all, I am impressed with what I heard and look forward to completing the transmit side of the system and joining the fun! 73, Gerald K5GW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(couldn't pull him out of noise so not sure of callsign) Noise level was high on 27 March & terrible on 28 March so went QRT. We had hot dry winds this weekend which cause terrible static noise. With vy short EU window, couldn't wait until higher EL to see if condx improved. 73, Bob, K6PF From pa3cwn at tele2.nl Mon Mar 29 15:36:11 2010 From: pa3cwn at tele2.nl (Oene) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:36:11 +0200 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] FSK CW In-Reply-To: <1062.62.158.20.142.1269712694.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de> References: <4BAC7970.8080206@tele2.nl> <4482f5221003260732l3b28aaceq450a60a58da223c1@mail.gmail.com> <4BADAC4E.4040207@tele2.nl> <1062.62.158.20.142.1269712694.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de> Message-ID: <4BB0ACCB.4050707@tele2.nl> Hello Guenter and everyone else, My opnion is that when I use CW in the normal way, but add an extra TX for the CW reverse part, there would be two seperate CW transmitters active bu never at the same time. As the normal CW transmitter fall off, the reverse CW transmitter will rise. Only problem I think will be a very little time between the 'fall time' from 1st TX and 'raise time' from second TX when there is no signal at all. This will be in the milliseconds range and the output will look like a constant carrier with very tiny gaps or inverse spikes. There will never be a situation where 2 transmitters are active at the same time. In case of amplitude difference bewteen the two transmitters, maybe it is an option to clip the signals before entering the drive stage. Because they will use the same driver and PA, thus resulting in a constant amplitude. 73 Oene PA3CWN Guenter Koellner schreef: > Hi, > > when I made my suggestion, in fact I was aware about clicks and what the > wide shift could cause. But neither, we have so many signal theory > well-known people among us, that this should surely be solveable. > > It is a MUST that the carrier does not change its amplitude! It must be > pure FM. Just then we are getting the regulations for FM and not for CW. > So I think worst solution would be a separate transmitter and switching > between the two. > > We've used FSK for 9600 and even higher baudrates packet radio long ago, > maybe something from this experience can be reused. Maybe we have to > switch the TX to FM in order to get it working. Maybe we have to touch the > internal oscillator. Maybe we need its own transmitter, probably one of > the current DDS oscillators can be programmed to this. Maybe a VCO, VXO or > such can be used. > > Think further about this challenge, it might help a lot. > > 73, G?nter > > > > > From valter_dls at yahoo.it Mon Mar 29 19:06:47 2010 From: valter_dls at yahoo.it (valter dolso) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:06:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Moon] IK1FJI 2 m CW dubus result Message-ID: <891518.6653.qm@web24305.mail.ird.yahoo.com> HI all Was qrv in the contest, no for long time due qrl......i found condition very variable..sometimes vy good other nothing....sunday night very poor..heard no so strong also IK3MAC......i can copy W7EME weak in qso with IK3MAC. Quite good partecipation no the best but better than nothing !!! i worked 27 random CW qso's, thanks to all that were qrv in the week end. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 73 Valter IK1FJI 4x12? 2m12? 18.5 dbd? gu78b? atf33143? From gabercr at nc.rr.com Mon Mar 29 19:17:35 2010 From: gabercr at nc.rr.com (gabercr at nc.rr.com) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:17:35 -0400 Subject: [Moon] IK1FJI 2 m CW dubus result In-Reply-To: <891518.6653.qm@web24305.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100329171735.9HVAA.671633.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> Just curious if any stations actually heard me over the weekend? Needed 35 degrees of elevation just to clear the house/trees so this really limited my Euro window. Worked several stations with armchair copy but nothing else. Called CQ for hours and hours hearing my echoes faintly but no callers. New 8877 PA worked great I but definitely need major improvement on receive and better moon window at my current QTH. Gary, N8CQ ---- valter dolso wrote: > HI all > > Was qrv in the contest, no for long time due qrl......i found condition very variable..sometimes vy good other nothing....sunday night very poor..heard no so strong also IK3MAC......i can copy W7EME weak in qso with IK3MAC. > Quite good partecipation no the best but better than nothing !!! > i worked 27 random CW qso's, thanks to all that were qrv in the week end. > > ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 73 Valter IK1FJI > > 4x12? 2m12? 18.5 dbd? gu78b? atf33143? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list From sm4ive at telia.com Mon Mar 29 19:35:34 2010 From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:35:34 +0200 Subject: [Moon] SM4IVE QSL.s Message-ID: <8909F7A0C1524769A28CF5B9921AA857@RADIO> Today i send some QSL cards to stations that have sent cards to me. IK2RTI WA6PY JA6AHB LZ1DX 9H1TX DL5FN G4YTL More to come when cards are avalible SM7GVF you will have one delivered in person. 73 de Lars Sm4IVE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20100329/e98d0c9a/attachment.htm From vallik at telia.com Tue Mar 30 14:33:27 2010 From: vallik at telia.com (Viljo Allik) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:33:27 +0300 Subject: [Moon] 3.4GHz allocation soon available in Estonia Message-ID: <4BB1EF97.9080906@telia.com> Hi, I'm pleased to announce that from April 3rd we will have 3.4GHz amateur frequency allocation available on a secondary basis. The actual frequency range: 3400-3401 MHz Maximum allowed TX power: 20dBW at antenna elevations below 10 degrees and 30dBW at elevations above 10 degrees (same as for our 13cm allocation). This means that I should start planning my 3.4 GHz setup now. I think the main challenge for me is to find a suitable PA to hear some echoes with my 4.5 m dish. Perhaps somebody has something suitable available for reasonable price? 73, Viljo ES5PC From pa3cwn at tele2.nl Tue Mar 30 16:59:35 2010 From: pa3cwn at tele2.nl (Oene) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:59:35 +0200 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] FSK CW In-Reply-To: <56243.217.10.60.85.1269870571.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de> References: <4BAC7970.8080206@tele2.nl> <4482f5221003260732l3b28aaceq450a60a58da223c1@mail.gmail.com> <4BADAC4E.4040207@tele2.nl> <1062.62.158.20.142.1269712694.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de> <4BB0ACCB.4050707@tele2.nl> <56243.217.10.60.85.1269870571.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de> Message-ID: <4BB211D7.2060505@tele2.nl> Hello Guenther You're right and maybe it is best to simply use the method which is available in my FT2000 and use 425 Hz. Because of the suggestions I got of 3 persons, it seems not an issue to use 425Hz and as Kjell described the reverse CW can be filtered out using todays narrow DSP filters. Many thanks for your suggestions and best 73 ! Oene PA3CWN Guenter Koellner schreef: > Well, I would be 100% sure that these gaps will cause RFI in your > neigbhours radio and TV set... > > 73, G?nter > > > >> Hello Guenter and everyone else, >> >> My opnion is that when I use CW in the normal way, but add an extra TX >> for the CW reverse part, >> there would be two seperate CW transmitters active bu never at the same >> time. >> >> As the normal CW transmitter fall off, the reverse CW transmitter will >> rise. >> Only problem I think will be a very little time between the 'fall time' >> from 1st TX and 'raise time' from >> second TX when there is no signal at all. >> This will be in the milliseconds range and the output will look like a >> constant carrier with very tiny gaps >> or inverse spikes. >> >> There will never be a situation where 2 transmitters are active at the >> same time. >> >> In case of amplitude difference bewteen the two transmitters, maybe it >> is an option to clip the signals >> before entering the drive stage. >> Because they will use the same driver and PA, thus resulting in a >> constant amplitude. >> >> 73 Oene >> PA3CWN >> >> Guenter Koellner schreef: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> when I made my suggestion, in fact I was aware about clicks and what the >>> wide shift could cause. But neither, we have so many signal theory >>> well-known people among us, that this should surely be solveable. >>> >>> It is a MUST that the carrier does not change its amplitude! It must be >>> pure FM. Just then we are getting the regulations for FM and not for CW. >>> So I think worst solution would be a separate transmitter and switching >>> between the two. >>> >>> We've used FSK for 9600 and even higher baudrates packet radio long ago, >>> maybe something from this experience can be reused. Maybe we have to >>> switch the TX to FM in order to get it working. Maybe we have to touch >>> the >>> internal oscillator. Maybe we need its own transmitter, probably one of >>> the current DDS oscillators can be programmed to this. Maybe a VCO, VXO >>> or >>> such can be used. >>> >>> Think further about this challenge, it might help a lot. >>> >>> 73, G?nter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> | Z1 SecureMail Gateway Info - http://www.zertificon.com | >> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> | - Die Nachricht war weder verschluesselt noch digital unterschrieben | >> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> >> > > > > > From sm4ive at telia.com Wed Mar 31 20:30:41 2010 From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:30:41 +0200 Subject: [Moon] 432 EME Message-ID: Hi guys. I did work some new # stations the goone week. SM7GVF 0/O single yagi 500W KP4AO 599 599 G4YTL 539 / 569 DL5MAE O/O 21 elm F9FT 1Kw horizon 8Q7QQ O/O single yagi? power? I hope to be on 23 cm buy may if all goes well. 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