From oaxaca at oregoncoast.com  Mon Feb  1 03:56:26 2010
From: oaxaca at oregoncoast.com (TdM LABs)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:56:26 +0000
Subject: [Moon] w7eme qrv 1 Feb
In-Reply-To: <004d01caa290$e0753b10$a15fb130$@com>
References: <004d01caa290$e0753b10$a15fb130$@com>
Message-ID: <4B6642DA.40101@oregoncoast.com>

Aloha to all:

I am qrv this morning 1st Feb 0500z, always second, 144,143 ...

I have received the new monster 8.9 wl portable X-Pole Yagi am trying it 
out this weekend...21 randoms last night on this single Yagi. Please 
stop bye and try me just after 0500z today, my moonrise.

W7EME cn85be, portable test station:

Single 8.9wL xpol.az/el, 1k5watt, WSE stereo receiver, Linrad, MAP65, 
Kubota Diesel power.

Hope to see you there!

Jeremy
www.w7eme.org




From sm7wsj at telia.com  Mon Feb  1 18:09:42 2010
From: sm7wsj at telia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5kan_H?=)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:09:42 +0100
Subject: [Moon] 144mhz CW
Message-ID: <33E6648DDE6941C6B07A9B4DC3C81D0F@ibma4f41tydsoc>

Hello Moonbouncers!


A very good evening last night with very loud own echo and good 
signalreports received from different parts of EU.  I made 5 cw qso with my 
singleyagi and 3 of them was with stations i never worked before.  I feelt 
it was fantastic conditions sunday evening.

Worked
F0CXO  2 times during the weekend  (and also heard in SSB)
DK2PH   fast qso
DK3NG  long try with slow faradayturn
IT9CJC   very strong signals and also heard in SSB working F0CXO   (4X10EL 
antenna i think)

Heard the Echo from IK2DDR

I found the problem why i feelt i was hearing a little bad and it had 
nothing to do with where i mounted the preamplifier  (much simpler,,)

See you next activity weekend!

73 de Hakan SM7WSJ   (Single 15dBd yagi)

PS: A big congratulation to F0CXO who made 20 cw qso and one SSB during the 
weekend 



From sm4ive at telia.com  Mon Feb  1 18:57:32 2010
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:57:32 +0100
Subject: [Moon] EME Conference!
Message-ID: <7686A138819747EC867F56F2552A5214@RADIO>

Im just curioues,
in the first email posting we saw this lines from  the EME conference team.
>In keeping with tradition, the conference will primarily concentrate on EME on the 432 MHz and above bands.
then later in the official invitation, there is not a word of what way this conference are going.
So my question? 
Is this an all EME bands  conference? or as was stated at the begining?

I dont see the point of mixing a conference for different bands, we dont have the same interests.
Mostly the 432 & Up & Up are trying to polish on the gear to be able to get the best out of the system.
And 6 m and 2 mtr guys  well we know what they need :-))

Lars   SM4IVE

No thanks no logger for me!!!!
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From dl5mae at yahoo.de  Mon Feb  1 19:56:24 2010
From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:56:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Moon] EME Conference!
In-Reply-To: <7686A138819747EC867F56F2552A5214@RADIO>
Message-ID: <811962.33952.qm@web23704.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hi Lars, 

you may find out by checking topis & lecturers! 

vy 73 de dl5mae Wolfgang

(2m & 6m guy .? No need what others need)


--- Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com> schrieb am Mo, 1.2.2010:

Von: Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>
Betreff: [Moon] EME Conference!
An: moon at moonbounce.info.
Datum: Montag, 1. Februar 2010, 18:57



 
 

Im just curioues,
in the first email posting we saw this lines from? the EME conference 
team.
>In keeping with tradition, the 
conference will primarily concentrate on EME on the 432 MHz and above 
bands.
then later in the official invitation, there 
is not a word of what way this conference are going.
So my question? 
Is this an all EME bands? conference? or 
as was stated at the begining?
?
I dont see the point of mixing a conference 
for different bands, we dont have the same interests.
Mostly the 432 & Up & Up?are 
trying to polish on the gear to be able to get the best out of the 
system.
And 6 m and 2 mtr guys? well we know 
what they need :-))
?
Lars?? 
SM4IVE
?
No thanks no logger 
for me!!!!
?
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From graham.d at orange.fr  Mon Feb  1 21:21:24 2010
From: graham.d at orange.fr (graham)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:21:24 +0100
Subject: [Moon] EME Conference!
In-Reply-To: <7686A138819747EC867F56F2552A5214@RADIO>
References: <7686A138819747EC867F56F2552A5214@RADIO>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20100201211826.01d09c18@pop.orange.fr>


>
>Is this an all EME bands  conference? or as was stated at the begining?
>


the last Viking to attempt this was King Cnut  in England

he got wet feet and the tide came in anyway..........

Graham F5VHX 





From w5lua at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  1 23:06:52 2010
From: w5lua at sbcglobal.net (Al Ward)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:06:52 -0000
Subject: [Moon] EME Conference!
In-Reply-To: <7686A138819747EC867F56F2552A5214@RADIO>
Message-ID: <75639144E48046409787D0274D93E344@Al1>

Lars

There has been no change in scope of the EME conference. The topics will
primarily concentrate on EME on the 432 MHz and above bands. We should have
a list of speakers and papers available soon. Very busy working the family
program so we can set registration prices. 

Hope see you all in Dallas in August.

73

Al W5LUA

  _____  

From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On
Behalf Of Lars Pettersson
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:58 PM
To: moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: [Moon] EME Conference!

 

Im just curioues,

in the first email posting we saw this lines from  the EME conference team.

>In keeping with tradition, the conference will primarily concentrate on EME
on the 432 MHz and above bands.

then later in the official invitation, there is not a word of what way this
conference are going.

So my question? 

Is this an all EME bands  conference? or as was stated at the begining?

 

I dont see the point of mixing a conference for different bands, we dont
have the same interests.

Mostly the 432 & Up & Up are trying to polish on the gear to be able to get
the best out of the system.

And 6 m and 2 mtr guys  well we know what they need :-))

 

Lars   SM4IVE

 

No thanks no logger for me!!!!

 

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From vk2dag at arrl.net  Tue Feb  2 12:37:30 2010
From: vk2dag at arrl.net (Matt)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:37:30 +1100
Subject: [Moon] 13 cm Weekend.
Message-ID: <20100202113720.C3C35BEC1A7@sv1-1.aanet.com.au>

Hi EMEers.

Dave VK2JDS and I will be QRV this weekend on 13cm.  We will be using 
Dave's 5m dish, G4DDK pre-amp and 180 Watt PA from QF46.  So please 
look for our CQs on 2301.950 in the VK 13cm EME segment.  We can 
receive at 2320 as well and we will be on the HB9Q logger.

I am also taking out my 9cm equipment to test.  So we may be QRV on 
9cm too.  With 15 watts and another G4DDK pre-amp.

Thanks guys.

Matt	-VK2DAG-



From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Tue Feb  2 15:48:36 2010
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:48:36 -0000
Subject: [Moon] 13 cm Weekend.
References: <20100202113720.C3C35BEC1A7@sv1-1.aanet.com.au>
Message-ID: <C54248EDDEED4113B8719CAF074A6856@D7BX6Z0J>

 Hi Matt,  Not a good choice of dates for us in the N Hemisphere. For myself 
I do not have a VK2/3 window when the moon is below about 13 degrees 
Northerly declination. This is mainly due to tree blockage .  I note that 
even if I had clear horizon all round theres only a few hours window at low 
elevations next weekend.
  GL with the tests and I hope you can be QRV again when the conditions are 
better for us.
 You might take a look here 
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/f1ehn/eme_data/Moon_2009.pdf for info on this.
BTW I have 6m dish with 250W on 13cm and 25W on 9cm
73 Peter G3LTF  ( IO91GG )
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt" <vk2dag at arrl.net>
To: <moon at moonbounce.info>
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:37 AM
Subject: [Moon] 13 cm Weekend.


> Hi EMEers.
>
> Dave VK2JDS and I will be QRV this weekend on 13cm.  We will be using
> Dave's 5m dish, G4DDK pre-amp and 180 Watt PA from QF46.  So please
> look for our CQs on 2301.950 in the VK 13cm EME segment.  We can
> receive at 2320 as well and we will be on the HB9Q logger.
>
> I am also taking out my 9cm equipment to test.  So we may be QRV on
> 9cm too.  With 15 watts and another G4DDK pre-amp.
>
> Thanks guys.
>
> Matt -VK2DAG-
>
>
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From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Tue Feb  2 16:20:37 2010
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:20:37 -0000
Subject: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010
Message-ID: <579A1294C2F24F0A97F8EA3D6F364E11@D7BX6Z0J>

 If we wanted  to hold a 9cm activity weekend this year ( as in the past 3 years) then the best time seems to be July 10/11th.  In June the moon is either coincident with the sun or at low declinations. see http://pagesperso-orange.fr/f1ehn/eme_data/Moon_2009.pdf 
 Or.... perhaps the microwave community feels that as we now have a dedicted 9cm weekend in the DUBUS contest  March 21/22 that we dont need one now as the 9cm activity is becoming well established and we should use the July10/11 for a 6cm AW. This would be my own preference.
 Please comment to the lists so that everyone can see responses.
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From guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de  Tue Feb  2 19:23:46 2010
From: guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de (Guenter Koellner)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:23:46 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] 9cm activity weekend 2010
In-Reply-To: <579A1294C2F24F0A97F8EA3D6F364E11@D7BX6Z0J>
References: <579A1294C2F24F0A97F8EA3D6F364E11@D7BX6Z0J>
Message-ID: <1162.62.158.30.37.1265135026.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de>

Hello,

since at this weekend most of us stay in connection over different types
of media, in order to prepare for fully-random operation in the contest, I
support Peter to put some more focus on 6cm.

What about having a common 6cm/9cm weekend? Without the hurry of loosing
worthful minutes in the contest it might be also a nice training for
changing the feeds.

6cm status: PA present, Feed in work, Transverter and Preamp decided

73, G?nter (dl4mea)

>  Or.... perhaps the microwave community feels that as we now have a
> dedicted 9cm weekend in the DUBUS contest  March 21/22 that we dont need
> one now as the 9cm activity is becoming well established and we should
> use the July10/11 for a 6cm AW. This would be my own preference.






From pa3cwn at tele2.nl  Tue Feb  2 19:27:24 2010
From: pa3cwn at tele2.nl (Oene)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:27:24 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Yaesu FT-736R keyer
Message-ID: <4B686E8C.8030608@tele2.nl>

Hello All,

Anyone who owns a FT-736R and does not have this keyer installed,
take a look at Bob N3BA  his solution.
A very sophisticated substitute for the keyer unit B with much more options

http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=231256

http://www.hamgadgets.com/pdf/PicoKeyer-Plus-080501.pdf

73 Oene
PA3CWN




From eme_ww2r at g4fre.com  Tue Feb  2 23:10:43 2010
From: eme_ww2r at g4fre.com (eme)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:10:43 -0600
Subject: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010
In-Reply-To: <579A1294C2F24F0A97F8EA3D6F364E11@D7BX6Z0J>
Message-ID: <PHEOJOHBIKMLJJHHFCGFIEGEDCAA.eme_ww2r@g4fre.com>

My vote is to dedicate july 10/11 to 5760MHz, and have the dubus contest
weekend as the 9cm activity weekend

Dave

ww2r


  -----Original Message-----
  From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On
Behalf Of peter blair
  Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:21 AM
  To: moonbounceboard; freetalk moonnet
  Subject: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010


   If we wanted  to hold a 9cm activity weekend this year ( as in the past 3
years) then the best time seems to be July 10/11th.  In June the moon is
either coincident with the sun or at low declinations. see
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/f1ehn/eme_data/Moon_2009.pdf
   Or.... perhaps the microwave community feels that as we now have a
dedicted 9cm weekend in the DUBUS contest  March 21/22 that we dont need one
now as the 9cm activity is becoming well established and we should use the
July10/11 for a 6cm AW. This would be my own preference.
   Please comment to the lists so that everyone can see responses.
   73 Peter G3LTF
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From ve4ma at shaw.ca  Wed Feb  3 00:58:58 2010
From: ve4ma at shaw.ca (Barry VE4MA)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:58:58 -0600
Subject: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010
In-Reply-To: <PHEOJOHBIKMLJJHHFCGFIEGEDCAA.eme_ww2r@g4fre.com>
References: <579A1294C2F24F0A97F8EA3D6F364E11@D7BX6Z0J>
	<PHEOJOHBIKMLJJHHFCGFIEGEDCAA.eme_ww2r@g4fre.com>
Message-ID: <013301caa463$b085b270$11911750$@ca>

I also agree with  Dave.   July for 6 cm and then 9 cm in March

 

Barry VE4MA

 

From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On
Behalf Of eme
Sent: February 2, 2010 4:11 PM
To: peter blair; freetalk moonnet
Subject: Re: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010

 

My vote is to dedicate july 10/11 to 5760MHz, and have the dubus contest
weekend as the 9cm activity weekend

 

Dave

 

ww2r

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On
Behalf Of peter blair
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:21 AM
To: moonbounceboard; freetalk moonnet
Subject: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010

 If we wanted  to hold a 9cm activity weekend this year ( as in the past 3
years) then the best time seems to be July 10/11th.  In June the moon is
either coincident with the sun or at low declinations. see
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/f1ehn/eme_data/Moon_2009.pdf 

 Or.... perhaps the microwave community feels that as we now have a dedicted
9cm weekend in the DUBUS contest  March 21/22 that we dont need one now as
the 9cm activity is becoming well established and we should use the
July10/11 for a 6cm AW. This would be my own preference.

 Please comment to the lists so that everyone can see responses.

 73 Peter G3LTF 

 

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From ja4blc at web-sanin.co.jp  Wed Feb  3 01:13:57 2010
From: ja4blc at web-sanin.co.jp (Yoshiro Mataka JA4BLC)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:13:57 +0900
Subject: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010
In-Reply-To: <013301caa463$b085b270$11911750$@ca>
References: <579A1294C2F24F0A97F8EA3D6F364E11@D7BX6Z0J>	<PHEOJOHBIKMLJJHHFCGFIEGEDCAA.eme_ww2r@g4fre.com>
	<013301caa463$b085b270$11911750$@ca>
Message-ID: <4B68BFC5.2060000@web-sanin.co.jp>

Me too, July 5760.
9cm receive only in Japan.
de Yoshiro JA4BLC

Barry VE4MA:
> I also agree with  Dave.   July for 6 cm and then 9 cm in March
> 
>  
> 
> Barry VE4MA
> 
>  
> 
> *From:* moon-bounces at moonbounce.info 
> [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] *On Behalf Of *eme
> *Sent:* February 2, 2010 4:11 PM
> *To:* peter blair; freetalk moonnet
> *Subject:* Re: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010
> 
>  
> 
> My vote is to dedicate july 10/11 to 5760MHz, and have the dubus contest 
> weekend as the 9cm activity weekend
> 
>  
> 
> Dave
> 
>  
> 
> ww2r
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* moon-bounces at moonbounce.info
>     [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]*On Behalf Of *peter blair
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:21 AM
>     *To:* moonbounceboard; freetalk moonnet
>     *Subject:* [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010
> 
>      If we wanted  to hold a 9cm activity weekend this year ( as in the
>     past 3 years) then the best time seems to be July 10/11th.  In June
>     the moon is either coincident with the sun or at low declinations.
>     see http://pagesperso-orange.fr/f1ehn/eme_data/Moon_2009.pdf 
> 
>      Or.... perhaps the microwave community feels that as we now have a
>     dedicted 9cm weekend in the DUBUS contest  March 21/22 that we dont
>     need one now as the 9cm activity is becoming well established and we
>     should use the July10/11 for a 6cm AW. This would be my own preference.
> 
>      Please comment to the lists so that everyone can see responses.
> 
>      73 Peter G3LTF
> 
>      
> 
> 
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From strihavka at upcmail.cz  Wed Feb  3 12:39:18 2010
From: strihavka at upcmail.cz (Frantisek Strihavka)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:39:18 +0100
Subject: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010
References: <PHEOJOHBIKMLJJHHFCGFIEGEDCAA.eme_ww2r@g4fre.com>
Message-ID: <5BEFA9628FFE44BB9A0CCFA92428A174@st0967ca1df795>

Hello,
I agree with Dave.
73    Franta OK1CA
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: eme 
  To: peter blair ; freetalk moonnet 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010


  My vote is to dedicate july 10/11 to 5760MHz, and have the dubus contest weekend as the 9cm activity weekend

  Dave

  ww2r


    -----Original Message-----
    From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On Behalf Of peter blair
    Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:21 AM
    To: moonbounceboard; freetalk moonnet
    Subject: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010


     If we wanted  to hold a 9cm activity weekend this year ( as in the past 3 years) then the best time seems to be July 10/11th.  In June the moon is either coincident with the sun or at low declinations. see http://pagesperso-orange.fr/f1ehn/eme_data/Moon_2009.pdf 
     Or.... perhaps the microwave community feels that as we now have a dedicted 9cm weekend in the DUBUS contest  March 21/22 that we dont need one now as the 9cm activity is becoming well established and we should use the July10/11 for a 6cm AW. This would be my own preference.
     Please comment to the lists so that everyone can see responses.
     73 Peter G3LTF 



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From dmillar at moonlink.net  Wed Feb  3 23:34:18 2010
From: dmillar at moonlink.net (Doug Millar)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:34:18 -0800
Subject: [Moon] EME Preamp needed 2meters
Message-ID: <0KXA00A0XEPA2Y98@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>



Hi,
	Does anyone have any 2meter preamps available? I'd like to get one 
with switching. It should be able to handle 100watts.
	Doug K6JEY



From dougnhelen at moonlink.net  Wed Feb  3 23:35:53 2010
From: dougnhelen at moonlink.net (Doug Millar)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:35:53 -0800
Subject: [Moon] EME Preamp Needed 2 Meters
Message-ID: <0KXA00CFBERXIQY8@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>





Hi,
	Does anyone have any 2meter preamps available? I'd like to get one 
with switching. It should be able to handle 100watts.
	Doug K6JEY



From sm7sjr at sjrservice.se  Thu Feb  4 08:27:04 2010
From: sm7sjr at sjrservice.se (SJR Service)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 08:27:04 +0100
Subject: [Moon] RX converters and transverter Qs?
Message-ID: <4B6A76C8.1020305@sjrservice.se>

Hello folks,

I am searching for RX converters for 1296, 432 and 144 MHz. All with the 
IF of 28MHz. Any good idea where to find such devices?

I am building up a new station with far too many bands! Hi. I wish to be 
QRV on several microwave bands. On 13cm and 6cm I wish to be QRV for 
terrestial traffic at least. Any good ideas where to buy transverters 
and amps? I am also looking for 10GHz amp and 23cm preamps. I know of 
DB6NT-design and Kuhne of course, but if I can get away a little cheaper...
I know a lot of you would like to email and tell me to build it myself. 
However due to workload I must purchase as mush stuff as possible in 
redybuilt mode, otherwise I will not be QRV in a looong time.

tnx

-- 
73 de SM7SJR, Bj?rn.
SJR Service
http://www.antennerna.se/
http://www.sm7sjr.se/



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From df6na at df6na.de  Fri Feb  5 19:20:42 2010
From: df6na at df6na.de (DF6NA)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:20:42 +0100
Subject: [Moon] 3400 MHz
Message-ID: <4B6C617A.9060906@df6na.de>

Hi,

just in time for the DUBUS contest in April I found a new preamp for 
3400 MHz :
http://www.kuhne-electronic.de/en/shop/143_Vorverstrker/article:561_MKU_LNA_342_AH

No excuse anymore if you have a bad receiver!

73, Rainer


From DL7UDA at versanet.de  Fri Feb  5 19:21:09 2010
From: DL7UDA at versanet.de (DL7UDA)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:21:09 +0100
Subject: [Moon] 23cm preamplifier
Message-ID: <4B6C6195.4060700@versanet.de>

Hi all,

does anyone have experience with MegaAmp ULNA 3013 23cm EME ?

73  Dietmar  DL7UDA


From guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de  Fri Feb  5 20:01:08 2010
From: guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de (Guenter Koellner)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 20:01:08 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] 23cm preamplifier
In-Reply-To: <4B6C6195.4060700@versanet.de>
References: <4B6C6195.4060700@versanet.de>
Message-ID: <1501.62.158.4.81.1265396468.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de>

Hi,

I measured one by myself and I also got it measured in Florence, and these
two measurements match togehter, but both are far from what is beeing
promised by the data sheet.

73, G?nter (dl4mea)


> Hi all,
>
> does anyone have experience with MegaAmp ULNA 3013 23cm EME ?
>
> 73  Dietmar  DL7UDA
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From vladimir.masek at volny.cz  Fri Feb  5 20:07:48 2010
From: vladimir.masek at volny.cz (vladimir.masek at volny.cz)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:07:48 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] =?iso-8859-2?q?=5BMoon-net=5D_3400_MHz?=
In-Reply-To: <4B6C617A.9060906@df6na.de>
References: <4B6C617A.9060906@df6na.de>
Message-ID: <271e623cb70bc7134b666005d3c0c22e@www3-mail.volny.cz>

Yes !
Don't miss it both !!

DUBUS EME 3.4GHz contest will be earlier, already on March 21/22 !

No excuse in April, too late, hi !

See you all there via Moon !

GL & 73 !
Vlada,
OK1DAK/OK1KIR



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> Hi,
> 
> just in time for the DUBUS contest in April I found
> a new preamp for
> 3400 MHz :
> http://www.kuhne-electronic.de/en/shop/143_Vorverstrker/article:561_MKU_LNA_342_AH
> > 
> No excuse anymore if you have a bad receiver!
> 
> 73, Rainer
> 
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From TexasRF at aol.com  Sat Feb  6 10:21:30 2010
From: TexasRF at aol.com (TexasRF at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 04:21:30 EST
Subject: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010
Message-ID: <1f44d.5de83328.389e8e9a@aol.com>

 
The referenced pdf is for 2009. Does Franke have a 2010 version? It looks  
like a wonderful reference document.
 
It appears everyone is for making the July 10/11 weekend for 5760 MHz and I 
 certainly plan to be there. I finally have my act together for that band 
and  look forward to some action!
 
73,
Gerald K5GW
 
In a message dated 2/2/2010 4:14:38 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
eme_ww2r at g4fre.com writes:

My  vote is to dedicate july 10/11 to 5760MHz, and have the dubus contest 
weekend  as the 9cm activity weekend
 
Dave
 
ww2r
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From:  moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On 
 Behalf Of peter blair
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:21  AM
To: moonbounceboard; freetalk moonnet
Subject: [Moon]  9cm activity weekend 2010


If we wanted  to hold a 9cm activity  weekend this year ( as in the past 3 
years) then the best time seems to be  July 10/11th.  In June the moon is 
either coincident with the sun or at  low declinations. see 
_http://pagesperso-orange.fr/f1ehn/eme_data/Moon_2009.pdf_ 
(http://pagesperso-orange.fr/f1ehn/eme_data/Moon_2009.pdf)  
 Or.... perhaps the microwave community feels  that as we now have a 
dedicted 9cm weekend in the DUBUS contest  March  21/22 that we dont need one now 
as the 9cm activity is becoming  well established and we should use the 
July10/11 for a 6cm AW. This  would be my own preference.
 Please comment to the lists so that everyone can  see responses.
 73 Peter G3LTF 
 



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From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Sat Feb  6 10:40:42 2010
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 09:40:42 -0000
Subject: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010
References: <1f44d.5de83328.389e8e9a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <61BFF56E13FE4BA7A022F43D9570CE16@D7BX6Z0J>

 Hi Gerald  and all, Yes that was an error on my part, just change 2009 to 2010 in the link and you'll get the right one.
 73 Peter  G3LTF 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: TexasRF at aol.com 
  To: eme_ww2r at g4fre.com ; g3ltf at btinternet.com ; moon at moonbounce.info 
  Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 9:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010


  The referenced pdf is for 2009. Does Franke have a 2010 version? It looks like a wonderful reference document.

  It appears everyone is for making the July 10/11 weekend for 5760 MHz and I certainly plan to be there. I finally have my act together for that band and look forward to some action!

  73,
  Gerald K5GW

  In a message dated 2/2/2010 4:14:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, eme_ww2r at g4fre.com writes:
    My vote is to dedicate july 10/11 to 5760MHz, and have the dubus contest weekend as the 9cm activity weekend

    Dave

    ww2r


      -----Original Message-----
      From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On Behalf Of peter blair
      Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:21 AM
      To: moonbounceboard; freetalk moonnet
      Subject: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010


       If we wanted  to hold a 9cm activity weekend this year ( as in the past 3 years) then the best time seems to be July 10/11th.  In June the moon is either coincident with the sun or at low declinations. see http://pagesperso-orange.fr/f1ehn/eme_data/Moon_2009.pdf 
       Or.... perhaps the microwave community feels that as we now have a dedicted 9cm weekend in the DUBUS contest  March 21/22 that we dont need one now as the 9cm activity is becoming well established and we should use the July10/11 for a 6cm AW. This would be my own preference.
       Please comment to the lists so that everyone can see responses.
       73 Peter G3LTF 



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From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Sat Feb  6 11:47:50 2010
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:47:50 +0100
Subject: [Moon] SDR IQ
Message-ID: <JAEELMKIFCBHOBHEEHMBIEOCCJAA.ok1dfc@seznam.cz>

Hi guys,
I am looking for info or help with set up of SDR-IQ and Winrad. I am using
SDR-14 and Winrad without problem, but just Franta OK1CA bought also SDR,
version of IQ and we are not able to find driver IQ.dll After downloading
and install of SDR14x.dll file SDR-IQ does not work, any idea how to set up
please?
Thanks in advance for all info.
Best regards
Zdenek - OK1DFC
www.ok1dfc.com
QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz
WAC 432 - 1296 MHz
QRO 10m dish
ICQ-397994501
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From howard at g4cch.com  Sat Feb  6 11:49:33 2010
From: howard at g4cch.com (Howard Ling)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 10:49:33 -0000
Subject: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010
In-Reply-To: <1f44d.5de83328.389e8e9a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <337662514/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/88.106.219.63/02/06/10/10:49:18@mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com>

Gerald et al,

 

You can find DL7APV's Lunar Weekend Calendar, and F5SE's chart for 2010 on
my website:

http://www.g4cch.com/data/calendar/dl7apv_lunar_calendar_10.htm

http://www.g4cch.com/data/calendar/F5SE_Moon_Condx_Chart_10.htm

 

I hope that's OK

 

Best 73 & GL

 

Howard, G4CCH

www.g4cch.com <http://www.g4cch.com/> 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On
Behalf Of TexasRF at aol.com
Sent: 06 February 2010 09:22
To: eme_ww2r at g4fre.com; g3ltf at btinternet.com; moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: Re: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010

 

The referenced pdf is for 2009. Does Franke have a 2010 version? It looks
like a wonderful reference document.

 

It appears everyone is for making the July 10/11 weekend for 5760 MHz and I
certainly plan to be there. I finally have my act together for that band and
look forward to some action!

 

73,

Gerald K5GW

 

In a message dated 2/2/2010 4:14:38 P.M. Central Standard Time,
eme_ww2r at g4fre.com writes:

My vote is to dedicate july 10/11 to 5760MHz, and have the dubus contest
weekend as the 9cm activity weekend

 

Dave

 

ww2r

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On
Behalf Of peter blair
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:21 AM
To: moonbounceboard; freetalk moonnet
Subject: [Moon] 9cm activity weekend 2010

 If we wanted  to hold a 9cm activity weekend this year ( as in the past 3
years) then the best time seems to be July 10/11th.  In June the moon is
either coincident with the sun or at low declinations. see
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/f1ehn/eme_data/Moon_2009.pdf 

 Or.... perhaps the microwave community feels that as we now have a dedicted
9cm weekend in the DUBUS contest  March 21/22 that we dont need one now as
the 9cm activity is becoming well established and we should use the
July10/11 for a 6cm AW. This would be my own preference.

 Please comment to the lists so that everyone can see responses.

 73 Peter G3LTF 

 



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From dl7apv at gmx.de  Sat Feb  6 13:11:07 2010
From: dl7apv at gmx.de (Bernd Wilde)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:11:07 +0100
Subject: [Moon] SDR IQ
In-Reply-To: <JAEELMKIFCBHOBHEEHMBIEOCCJAA.ok1dfc@seznam.cz>
References: <JAEELMKIFCBHOBHEEHMBIEOCCJAA.ok1dfc@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4B6D5C5B.7050405@gmx.de>

Hi Guys,

related to Zdeneks topic, I also need help for Winrad configuration.
Im using a Perseus with Winrad and will use MAP65 on the same mashine. 
All under Win 7.
I had running the input of Winrad used the perseus RX, but never 
understood how to configure the output of Winrad datastream for MAP65.

every hint would be helpful. tnx in advance

73 Bernd DL7APV

OK1DFC schrieb:
> Hi guys,
> I am looking for info or help with set up of SDR-IQ and Winrad. I am 
> using SDR-14 and Winrad without problem, but just Franta OK1CA bought 
> also SDR, version of IQ and we are not able to find driver IQ.dll 
> After downloading and install of SDR14x.dll file SDR-IQ does not work, 
> any idea how to set up please?
> Thanks in advance for all info.
> Best regards
> Zdenek - OK1DFC
> *www.ok1dfc.com* <http://www.ok1dfc.com/>
> /QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz/
> WAC 432 - 1296 MHz
> QRO 10m dish
> ICQ-397994501
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From mail01 at df9cy.de  Sat Feb  6 13:36:04 2010
From: mail01 at df9cy.de (Christoph Petermann)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:36:04 +0100
Subject: [Moon] SDR IQ
Message-ID: <4B6D6234.7090906@df9cy.de>

Hi Znedek

I have no problems with Winrad 1.50 (or the older from Alberto 1.33) and 
SDR-IQ. I put the DLLs into the Program directory and ran register.bat. 
When starting Winrad I selected In the INPUT menu SDR14, thats all. I 
had mor problems with LINRAD and the SDR-IQ, but its working very fine 
now. And for EME use it is MUCH better than anything else ..

73 de Christoph DF9CY

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From rein0zn at ix.netcom.com  Sat Feb  6 18:24:34 2010
From: rein0zn at ix.netcom.com (rein0zn at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 09:24:34 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Moon] SDR IQ
Message-ID: <3016478.1265477074299.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Zdenek,


You have to select the SDR-I/Q as an "Mixer" under "Show Options" first
menu. It does not show up as a "sound card selection"

73 Rein W6SZ


-----Original Message-----
>From: OK1DFC <ok1dfc at seznam.cz>
>Sent: Feb 6, 2010 2:47 AM
>To: Moon-Bounces <moon at moonbounce.info>, Moon Net <Moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net>
>Subject: [Moon] SDR IQ
>
>Hi guys,
>I am looking for info or help with set up of SDR-IQ and Winrad. I am using
>SDR-14 and Winrad without problem, but just Franta OK1CA bought also SDR,
>version of IQ and we are not able to find driver IQ.dll After downloading
>and install of SDR14x.dll file SDR-IQ does not work, any idea how to set up
>please?
>Thanks in advance for all info.
>Best regards
>Zdenek - OK1DFC
>www.ok1dfc.com
>QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz
>WAC 432 - 1296 MHz
>QRO 10m dish
>ICQ-397994501



From dj3jj at gmx.net  Sat Feb  6 19:15:58 2010
From: dj3jj at gmx.net (Andreas Haefner)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:15:58 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Building a GS35b 70cm amp in 10 h
Message-ID: <20100206181558.119420@gmx.net>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Ih4OgW4V0

73 Andreas, DJ3JJ
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From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Sat Feb  6 20:57:24 2010
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 20:57:24 +0100
Subject: [Moon] DL9KR 100 DXCC
In-Reply-To: <20100206181558.119420@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <JAEELMKIFCBHOBHEEHMBMEOHCJAA.ok1dfc@seznam.cz>

Here is video from Jan's 100 DXCC CW 432 MHz QSO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eCWLV6aXpA

Zdenek - OK1DFC
www.ok1dfc.com <http://www.ok1dfc.com> 
QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz
WAC 432 - 1296 MHz
QRO 10m dish
ICQ-397994501




From DL7UDA at versanet.de  Sun Feb  7 11:10:11 2010
From: DL7UDA at versanet.de (DL7UDA)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:10:11 +0100
Subject: [Moon] 23cm preamplifier
Message-ID: <4B6E9183.2070205@versanet.de>

Thanks to all for their information.

73 Dietmar DL7UDA


From dl5mae at yahoo.de  Wed Feb 10 17:16:47 2010
From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:16:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES - changes again?
Message-ID: <341900.38878.qm@web23702.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hi All, 

someone may tell me whats going on again with the ARRL EME Contest RULES? 

I heard about some rumors that people on a well-known  but  censored and very biased  (not free-talk) reflector  are going to be ask to change rules to an internet-fest again? 

Is that true? 

Private mails to VUAC members are remaining unanswered. 
Is this how club representive people working? 

vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang

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From df6na at df6na.de  Wed Feb 10 17:20:24 2010
From: df6na at df6na.de (DF6NA)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:20:24 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Fwd: [Moon-net] EME Rules Survey]
Message-ID: <4B72DCC8.6010900@df6na.de>

Hi Wolfgang,

especially for you !

73, Rainer
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From df6na at df6na.de  Wed Feb 10 17:22:30 2010
From: df6na at df6na.de (DF6NA)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:22:30 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] ARRL EME Rules Survey
In-Reply-To: <28605734.305141.1265817877023.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <28605734.305141.1265817877023.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <4B72DD46.1030504@df6na.de>

and what could keep me from using another callsign on the logger/cluster 
etc. ?????

73, Rainer

Fred schrieb:
> I agree with Jim's option with one exception.  There is no way to tell if an unassisted station is viewing the logger or a web page or reflector and thereby cheating.  If the logger had to be logged into in order to use it and then the ARRL went and got the list of stations logged in and crosschecked the entries this would eliminate this possibility.  I would thing the consequences for such an action would simply be the ARRL changing the station category from unassisted to assisted operation.  Nothing more or less.   This would allow all to enter, keep all the activity in the same timeframe, allow stations to enter and compete with similar operations, etc.  It will also and most importantly increase documented activity.  I also have no problem with the typical thank you post after the QSO, as this is simply polite and serves no other benefit.
>
> 73
>
> Fred
> N1DPM
>
>
> Feb 10, 2010 10:44:02 AM, wb9uwa at gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> I am directing this to the list because I hope some of you will agree with me
> and offer the same opinion and modification to option #2. ***
>
> I like CW and random operation. >>> I strongly favor option #2. <<<
> In a perfect world such as what might exist on 432 and 1296 the band generally
> is free of birdies that would decoy you when searching for valid EME
> contacts. It's easy to conclude based on those two bands that totally
> random non-assisted contacts are practical and satisfying. There is
> a problem when the mode is JT65b and that is that the signal can
> be decoded when it is not heard. Further adding to the problem is
> that nothing is decoded until some 47 seconds have elapsed.
> In uncluttered bands such as 432
> and 1296 it would be easy to just decide on a small band of frequencies
> to call CQ in and simply check those frequencies for activity.
> This is simply not practical on the 2 meter band. The 2 meter band
> is full of birdies and finding valid signals is an extreme challenge.
> Those that dis-agree are likely in a very rural location. There may
> come a day when we all have SDR and can simply locate stations to work
> based on the waterfall signature. When that day comes, assisted operation
> will only slow us down. For now random operation is generally not very
> productive
> as it was only 10 or 20 years ago. The birdies even slow down a CW operator
> from finding valid EME signals. Some 20 years ago W5UN could be heard
> on 144.009 calling CQ on CW. His frequency has moved upward over the years
> largely due to the birdies that tend to be worse at the low end of the
> 2 meter band.
>
> The plain truth in the matter is that many of us simply will not
> operate in a contest that is run in a way that is NOT consistant
> with our normal way of operating. For us, it is far more productive
> to use the contest as an activity weekend to find stations that we
> might not normally work, then work them the way we always do.
>
>   
>>>> I strongly favor option #2. <<<
>>>>         
>
> 2. Establish a new class of operation called "Coordinated". Entrants
> in this class would be allowed to post ONLY their call-sign and calling
> frequency via the internet or other methods for other entrants to see. Any
> station posting or viewing this information would be considered to be in the
> "Coordinated" class.
>
> *** I have suggested using this sort of logger on Moon-net where only call-sign
> and calling frequency is available. That is all the information that is really
> needed to make a Qso even for the smallest of stations. I would also suggest
> that since the Coordinated entrant has an advantage over the non-coordinated
> entrant that anyone in the non-coordinated catagory should be able to "win"
> over a coordinated station if the score is higher. There is little practical
> difference between this option and setting a long list of sceds ahead of time
> except that perhaps with the long list of sceds time is wasted and stations
> are missed out on because you are calling one station instead of calling
> CQ where any station that hears you may answer.
>
> I am in favor of ANY solution that will finally put an end to all of the
> bickering about the fairness of using different modes to do EME. This
> bickering has been at the heart of my absence from EME. I used to operate
> 2 meter EME a lot and early on it was only on CW because that was the way
> it was done. More recently I also operated JT44 and now JT65b. IT is obvious
> that JT65b is winning on 2 meters, but the bickering still exist's.
> There are still a bunch of sore losers out there. Stations and modes
> and equipment
> improve. That's the progress that we are called on by the FCC to acomplish.
> I plan to operate on 2m EME now and in the future, but that activity will
> be inversly proportional to the bickering and for me will likely be
> when I can operate digital modes assisted in some fashion. I am
> currently building
> a homebrew SDR based on the work of SM5BSZ. It is NOT trivial and few
> hams can do it. Linrad is THE software to use, but it is not easy.
> IMHO SDR is not the answer either until everyone has it. Hams using the logger
> simply won't call CQ when the norm is to set a sced via the logger.
> The best I could hope for is that someone might spot me to the logger
> when I have worked everyone that has called CQ and now I am calling CQ myself.
> As long as people are setting sceds on the logger, they won't come looking for
> me.
>
> I did not operate during the 2009 ARRL EME contest, but my equipment
> was operational.
> I used signals on the band to qualify my SDR at that time instead. I
> previous years I have
> scored quite well in the ARRL EME contest's using CW.
>
> 73, Jim Shaffer, WB9UWA.
> 4X UWA12 Xpol 2xGU74b MC2K by LZ2US.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ARRL's VUAC is considering revising the current rules for the ARRL
> International EME Contest, and we would like your input.
>
>
>
> Effective with the 2009 contest, assistance is not allowed per rule 6.3 as
> follows:
>
>
>
> 6.3 During the contest periods, no contest entrant, in any category
> --single-operator or multi-operator-- may use non-EME means for the purpose
> of self-spotting, solicitation or coordination of QSOs or attempts to make
> contact; nor may any entrant use assistance or provide assistance in the
> form of frequency spotting or use any form of DX spotting, Packet Cluster,
> Ping Jockey, email, telephone, etc. Exception: liaison to coordinate
> band-by-band activity is explicitly permitted for the bands2.3 GHz and
> higher.
>
>
>
> VUAC members have received numerous messages from many of you folks
> regarding this change; some in favor; some opposed. We are considering
> making further changes to the rules to address your concerns, and we would
> like to hear from the EME community on this.
>
>
> The VUAC would very much appreciate hearing from you concerning these
> proposals. Where do you stand on this matter? Which proposal do you prefer,
> and why? Feel free to modify any or all of this as you deem best.
>
> Please respond to this survey to your VUAC representative AND to Army
> Curtis, AE5P (ae5p at arrl.net) . A list of VUAC members can be found at
> http://www.arrl.org/contests/vuac.html . Comments must be received no later
> than February 17, 2010 to be considered by the VUAC. If you do not have a
> VUAC representative, please respond to Jon Platt, W0ZQ (w0zq at aol.com ) AND
> to AE5P (ae5p at arrl.net ).
>
>
> When you respond, please indicate what bands you have made EME contacts on,
> and if you have ever participated in an EME contest.
>
>
> Please let us hear from you.
>
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Army - AE5P
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From mail at jimforsyth.com  Wed Feb 10 17:38:57 2010
From: mail at jimforsyth.com (Jim Forsyth)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:38:57 -0800
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES - changes again?
References: <341900.38878.qm@web23702.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E4CA153D4E254B4EBF0A28DD12D2AD5C@QUADCORE>

Are you a member of the club?

Jim, AF6O


From: Wolfgang Schlaffer 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:16 AM
To: moon at moonbounce.info 
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES - changes again?


Private mails to VUAC members are remaining unanswered. 
Is this how club representive people working? 

vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang

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From sm4ive at telia.com  Wed Feb 10 18:03:20 2010
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:03:20 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES - changes again?
References: <341900.38878.qm@web23702.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <229CFFC2C22B408084B955E088C295F1@RADIO>

Wolfgang!
Are you surprised??????
Im NOT

Lars SM4IVE
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wolfgang Schlaffer 
  To: moon at moonbounce.info 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:16 PM
  Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES - changes again?


  Hi All, 

  someone may tell me whats going on again with the ARRL EME Contest RULES? 

  I heard about some rumors that people on a well-known  but  censored and very biased  (not free-talk) reflector  are going to be ask to change rules to an internet-fest again? 

  Is that true? 

  Private mails to VUAC members are remaining unanswered. 
  Is this how club representive people working? 

  vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang



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From jimmyv at hol.gr  Wed Feb 10 20:11:14 2010
From: jimmyv at hol.gr (jimmyv at hol.gr)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:11:14 +0200
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME Rules Survey
Message-ID: <20100210211114.lnva16u1cssk0o80@easymail-app.hol.gr>

Hi Philip

I know you for many many years and i honestly consider you as a radio friend.

Everyone? How you draw this conclusion? I kindly urge you to be more  
careful in your assertions next time, even if you would write ''I bet  
you if anyone'' instead. Simply because what you write below is not  
correct, is offensive and is completely misleading of '' i bet  
everyone who does cw'' practises in ARRL EME Competitions.

Pls do not turn white into black simply because this is common  
practise by the majority of the jt65 logger chatroom - dx cluster -  
deep search eme world, but it certainly ain't so in the cw one.

Thank you & 73
Jimmy SV1BTR

> I bet you everyone who does CW and say that they are Unassisted use  
> some form of DX Cluster is know who is working who .
> 73's
> Philip 9H1PA




From dl5mae at yahoo.de  Wed Feb 10 22:52:25 2010
From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:52:25 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES - changes again?
In-Reply-To: <229CFFC2C22B408084B955E088C295F1@RADIO>
References: <341900.38878.qm@web23702.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
	<229CFFC2C22B408084B955E088C295F1@RADIO>
Message-ID: <621959.13611.qm@web23704.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hi Lars, 

NO! No, I am not really surprised as I can see a "defender" and "responsible one" of INTERNET EME 
is member of VUAC, you guess who?

http://www.arrl.org/contests/vuac.html

Well I am SURE ,  the child (ARRL EME Contest)  will just get another name: changing from "assissted" to "coordinated"! 

What a shame !  


vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang (not surprised!)



________________________________
Von: Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>
An: Wolfgang Schlaffer <dl5mae at yahoo.de>; moon at moonbounce.info
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 10. Februar 2010, 18:03:20 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES - changes again?

 
Wolfgang!
Are you surprised??????
Im NOT
 
Lars SM4IVE
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Wolfgang Schlaffer 
>To: moon at moonbounce.info 
>Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:16 
>  PM
>Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES - changes 
>  again?
>
>
>Hi All, 
>
>someone may tell me whats going on again with the ARRL 
>  EME Contest RULES? 
>
>I heard about some rumors that people on a 
>  well-known  but  censored and very biased  (not free-talk) 
>  reflector  are going to be ask to change rules to an internet-fest again? 
> 
>
>Is that true? 
>
>Private mails to VUAC members are remaining 
>  unanswered. 
>Is this how club representive people working? 
>
>vy 73 de 
>  DL5MAE Wolfgang
>
>
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From dl5mae at yahoo.de  Wed Feb 10 23:16:42 2010
From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:16:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Moon] WG: dont make ARRL EME Contest a internet party
Message-ID: <795515.7640.qm@web23701.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Dear Army (AE5P), 

below you will find the UNANSWERED mail I was complaining about. It was addressed to W0LD , member of VUAC. 

vy 73 de dl5mae Wolfgang



----- Weitergeleitete Mail ----
Von: Wolfgang Schlaffer <dl5mae at yahoo.de>
An: w0ld at pcisys.net
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 3. Februar 2010, 21:52:02 Uhr
Betreff: dont make ARRL EME Contest a internet party


Dear Lauren, 

I am Wolfgang, DL5MAE. I am QRV 2m EME since the late 80s and see how EME is drifting down to a very low level of achievement due to the extreme use of internet chat rooms. I am sure that 95% per cent of the EME QSOs (?) take place through the "world of internet"!
Thats the situation on 144MHz. On higher QRGs the situation seems a  bit better. 
Many serious EMEers even "ESCAPED" to higher frequencies because of the much less 
usage of chatrooms (although the numbers of internet EMEers also growing there).

I got an information that you guys from VUAC board are bombarded to make ARRL EME Contest an internet contest again and allow assisstance (internet chatrooms!!!). 

I find this very shameful that EMEers (who claim the ultimative QSOs?!) are not longer to be able to do their contests WITHOUT  on-line internet chatrooms! 

Many chatroom users even claim that no QSOs information is passed through the 
chatrooms. I sent several times  print-outs of chatroom activities (N0UK) to ARRL Contest board in NEwington (CT) to show what was going on during ARRL EME contests some years ago.
So I can only say that the exchange of QSO data during EME QSOs in chatrooms is immense. But this will be ignored by the users - maybe the users are just used to the daily 
routine using chatrooms. 

For your information, meanwhile there is a very good summary on SM2CEWs homepage . 
There you will find also some "real-time" examples of N0UK chat and other interesting stuff. 

Look at : http://blog.sm2cew.com/#home


For myself, I can promise you, I will NEVER enter a chatroom for QSO completion.
There is no need for me to do what the "masses" do. 
I  just dont follow the internet mentality. 

Dont allow internet assisstance in EME contest - thanks! 

vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang








 
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From jimmyv at hol.gr  Thu Feb 11 00:59:20 2010
From: jimmyv at hol.gr (jimmyv at hol.gr)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:59:20 +0200
Subject: [Moon] EME Rules Survey
Message-ID: <20100211015920.q6g4gtg9wkg4c0sc@easymail-app.hol.gr>

QSP from  Moon-net reflector for those colleagues not seeing it.

Obviously i am against assisted / coordinated (what a marketing  
rephrase but with same taste!!) proposed class.
I therefore strongly and only support proposal nr 5 ''Don't make any  
further changes. Let the rules remain as they are now'' and will send  
my views as to the reason why, to Army AE5P shortly.

73
Jimmy SV1BTR

----- Original Message -----
From: "Army Curtis - AE5P" <ae5p at suddenlink.net>
To: <moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:45 PM
Subject: [Moon-net] EME Rules Survey

> ARRL's VUAC is considering revising the current rules for the ARRL
> International EME Contest, and we would like your input.
>
> Effective with the 2009 contest, assistance is not allowed per rule 6.3 as
> follows:
>
> 6.3 During the contest periods, no contest entrant, in any category
> --single-operator or multi-operator-- may use non-EME means for the
> purpose
> of self-spotting, solicitation or coordination of QSOs or attempts to make
> contact; nor may any entrant use assistance or provide assistance in the
> form of frequency spotting or use any form of DX spotting, Packet Cluster,
> Ping Jockey, email, telephone, etc. Exception: liaison to coordinate
> band-by-band activity is explicitly permitted for the bands2.3 GHz and
> higher.
>
> VUAC members have received numerous messages from many of you folks
> regarding this change; some in favor; some opposed. We are considering
> making further changes to the rules to address your concerns, and we would
> like to hear from the EME community on this.
>
> Several proposals have been put forth, such as:
>
> 1. Reinstate the rules regarding assistance as they existed in
> 2008.
>
> 2. Establish a new class of operation called "Coordinated".
> Entrants
> in this class would be allowed to post ONLY their call-sign and calling
> frequency via the internet or other methods for other entrants to see. Any
> station posting or viewing this information would be considered to be in
> the "Coordinated" class.
>
> 3. Let the current rules (non-assistance only) apply to one of the
> two weekends for 50-1296, and let assistance be used on the other 50-1296
> weekend.
>
> 4. Run a separate EME contest for 50-1296 using assistance on the
> weekend reserved for 2304 and up.
>
> 5. Don't make any further changes. Let the rules remain as they
> are now.
>
> The VUAC would very much appreciate hearing from you concerning these
> proposals. Where do you stand on this matter? Which proposal do you
> prefer,
> and why? Feel free to modify any or all of this as you deem best.
>
> Please respond to this survey to your VUAC representative AND to Army
> Curtis, AE5P (ae5p at arrl.net) . A list of VUAC members can be found at
> http://www.arrl.org/contests/vuac.html . Comments must be received no
> later
> than February 17, 2010 to be considered by the VUAC. If you do not have a
> VUAC representative, please respond to Jon Platt, W0ZQ (w0zq at aol.com ) AND
> to AE5P (ae5p at arrl.net ).
>
> When you respond, please indicate what bands you have made EME contacts
> on, and if you have ever participated in an EME contest.
>
> Please let us hear from you.
>
> 73,
>
> Army - AE5P
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From tikaluna at bigpond.com  Thu Feb 11 04:18:08 2010
From: tikaluna at bigpond.com (Doug McArthur)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:18:08 +1100
Subject: [Moon] Definition of a valid QSO
Message-ID: <20100211031824.VNQO19767.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Tikaluna.bigpond.com>

With all this bartering of ARRL Contest Rule changes surely the 
fundamental question of what is a valid QSO?

Consider the following recommendation .. and ask yourself
    has the QSO  (meaning communication; 2-way contact) between two 
radio station operators is complete, when the following exchange has 
been completed via radio, without outside help by others ?

If the answer is no .. as is the irrefutable case with some forms of 
modern communication,  then there is a problem Houston.

As has been said ad nauseam .. make a special class and change the 
rules to suit the mode .. and get on with it ..

http://hf.ref-union.org/c4_iaru_r1/10vienne/VIE10_C4_11%20QSO%20definition.pdf 
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From sm4ive at telia.com  Thu Feb 11 06:29:52 2010
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 06:29:52 +0100
Subject: [Moon] EME ARRL Rules
Message-ID: <3398B3CCE8FE4BBFBC1F22571F13EB2C@RADIO>

If you want the contest to have any status!!!! Yes Status then it should be kept in the way it was done 2009.
5.         Don't make any further changes. Let the rules remain as they are
now.
If it would be changed again you would certanly lose all CW emers , and it would only be a Internet contest, What a future.
73 de Lars SM4IVE
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From dl5mae at yahoo.de  Wed Feb 10 23:12:30 2010
From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:12:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES - changes again?
In-Reply-To: <18320C7D8B2E4C04903DEFE130E9DBD4@armybe4abc745d>
References: <18320C7D8B2E4C04903DEFE130E9DBD4@armybe4abc745d>
Message-ID: <775172.5887.qm@web23701.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Dear Army, 

thanks for your reply. I sent an Email some time ago to W0LD , which was not answered. 
I will forward to you and the DF6NA- EME net reflector.

In this mail you will also see my opinion about the survey. By the way , it will be a good 
idea to ask also the people of DF6NA moon-net reflector . Many EMEers are there whose 
kicked out of Mr. Owens moon-net reflector after telling  their opinion...

vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang




________________________________
Von: Army Curtis - AE5P <ae5p at suddenlink.net>
An: Wolfgang Schlaffer <dl5mae at yahoo.de>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 10. Februar 2010, 22:58:34 Uhr
Betreff: RE: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES - changes again?

 
Wolfgang,
 
I would appreciate receiving your comments
to the survey, rather than just remarks such as below. Emails to me are always
answered.
 
73,
Army - AE5P
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Wolfgang Schlaffer [mailto:dl5mae at yahoo.de] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010
3:52 PM
To: Lars Pettersson
Cc: ae5p at arrl.net;
moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: AW: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES
- changes again?
 
Hi Lars, 

NO! No, I am not really surprised as I can see a "defender" and
"responsible one" of INTERNET EME 
is member of VUAC, you guess who?

http://www.arrl.org/contests/vuac.html

Well I am SURE ,  the child (ARRL EME Contest)  will just get another
name: changing from "assissted" to "coordinated"! 

What a shame !  

vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang (not surprised!)

________________________________
 
Von:Lars Pettersson
<sm4ive at telia.com>
An: Wolfgang Schlaffer
<dl5mae at yahoo.de>; moon at moonbounce.info
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 10.
Februar 2010, 18:03:20 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES
- changes again?
Wolfgang!
Are you surprised??????
Im NOT
 
Lars SM4IVE
>
>>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>
>From:Wolfgang Schlaffer 
>>
>To:moon at moonbounce.info 
>>
>Sent:Wednesday,
>February 10, 2010 5:16 PM
>>
>Subject:[Moon] ARRL
>EME RULES - changes again?
>>
> 
>>
>>
>Hi
>All, 
>
>>someone may tell me whats going on again with the ARRL EME Contest RULES? 
>
>>I heard about some rumors that people on a well-known  but  censored
>and very biased  (not free-talk) reflector  are going to be ask to
>change rules to an internet-fest again? 
>
>>Is that true? 
>
>>Private mails to VUAC members are remaining unanswered. 
>>Is this how club representive people working? 
>
>>vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang
>
>>__________________________________________________
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From dl5mae at yahoo.de  Wed Feb 10 23:41:45 2010
From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:41:45 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES - changes again?
In-Reply-To: <B9899A0BE4FB41A1BF5FD48ECB2DB756@armybe4abc745d>
References: <B9899A0BE4FB41A1BF5FD48ECB2DB756@armybe4abc745d>
Message-ID: <793827.92684.qm@web23708.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hello Army, 

I wonder why nobody told you about Df6NA moonbounce reflector where most 
"EME professionals" escaped to (maybe because  the "professionals" dont like chatrooms and internet!
So better  dont ask  them at all!). Hat off of those OM achieving great contacts, especially on higher 
freqs! 

ARRL EME contest was the best ever contest in the past. Since several years its not a contest anymore! 
The discussion around this contest is only INTERNET or NOT.  Hey, we are Radio-Amateurs, 
what the hell we need internet for 2-way contacts? 

Army, either you organize an Radio contest or you call for a internet - fest! 

So  there is only one answer: I think it was  No. 5  on your survey. 

I think your survey was meanwhile posted by Rainer, Df6NA, on the moonbounce reflector already. 

vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang TNX! 






________________________________
Von: Army Curtis - AE5P <ae5p at suddenlink.net>
An: Wolfgang Schlaffer <dl5mae at yahoo.de>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 10. Februar 2010, 23:19:19 Uhr
Betreff: RE: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES - changes again?

 
Thank you Wolfgang. I am not familiar with
the DF6NA moon-net reflector. Can you be so kind as to post the survey there
for me please? If you do not have a copy of the survey, I would be happy to
send you one. And I would be most pleased to receive your response to the
survey questions as well.
 
Thanks again.
 
73,
Army - AE5P
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Wolfgang Schlaffer
[mailto:dl5mae at yahoo.de] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010
4:13 PM
To: Army Curtis - AE5P
Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: AW: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES
- changes again?
 
Dear Army, 

thanks for your reply. I sent an Email some time ago to W0LD , which was not
answered. 
I will forward to you and the DF6NA- EME net reflector.

In this mail you will also see my opinion about the survey. By the way , it
will be a good 
idea to ask also the people of DF6NA moon-net reflector . Many EMEers are there
whose 
kicked out of Mr. Owens moon-net reflector after telling  their opinion...

vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang
 

________________________________
 
Von:Army Curtis - AE5P
<ae5p at suddenlink.net>
An: Wolfgang Schlaffer <dl5mae at yahoo.de>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 10.
Februar 2010, 22:58:34 Uhr
Betreff: RE: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES
- changes again?
Wolfgang,
 
I would appreciate
receiving your comments to the survey, rather than just remarks such as below.
Emails to me are always answered.
 
73,
Army - AE5P
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Wolfgang Schlaffer
[mailto:dl5mae at yahoo.de] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010
3:52 PM
To: Lars Pettersson
Cc: ae5p at arrl.net;
moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: AW: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES
- changes again?
 
Hi Lars, 

NO! No, I am not really surprised as I can see a "defender" and
"responsible one" of INTERNET EME 
is member of VUAC, you guess who?

http://www.arrl.org/contests/vuac.html

Well I am SURE ,  the child (ARRL EME Contest)  will just get another
name: changing from "assissted" to "coordinated"! 

What a shame !  

vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang (not surprised!)

________________________________
 
Von:Lars Pettersson
<sm4ive at telia.com>
An: Wolfgang Schlaffer <dl5mae at yahoo.de>;
moon at moonbounce.info
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 10.
Februar 2010, 18:03:20 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [Moon] ARRL EME RULES
- changes again?
Wolfgang!
Are you surprised??????
Im NOT
 
Lars SM4IVE
>
>>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>
>From:Wolfgang
>Schlaffer 
>>
>To:moon at moonbounce.info 
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>Sent:Wednesday,
>February 10, 2010 5:16 PM
>>
>Subject:[Moon] ARRL
>EME RULES - changes again?
>>
> 
>>
>>
>Hi
>All, 
>
>>someone may tell me whats going on again with the ARRL EME Contest RULES? 
>
>>I heard about some rumors that people on a well-known  but  censored
>and very biased  (not free-talk) reflector  are going to be ask to
>change rules to an internet-fest again? 
>
>>Is that true? 
>
>>Private mails to VUAC members are remaining unanswered. 
>>Is this how club representive people working? 
>
>>vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang
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From guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de  Thu Feb 11 07:26:20 2010
From: guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de (Guenter Koellner)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:26:20 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] Fwd: dont make ARRL EME Contest a internet party
Message-ID: <14878.217.10.60.85.1265869580.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de>


Hi all,

my fully support to the statement of the title.

Go for real operating and you won't even have time for internet chats.

73, G?nter (dl4mea)






From ok1tehlist at seznam.cz  Thu Feb 11 11:00:46 2010
From: ok1tehlist at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?OK1TEH=20Petrzilka?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:00:46 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] EME ARRL Rules
In-Reply-To: <3398B3CCE8FE4BBFBC1F22571F13EB2C@RADIO>
Message-ID: <67928.21748.33361-23634-1381652903-1265882446@seznam.cz>

I don't want to roll up the discussion about JT65 vs iCW etc,
but why not to split ARRL EME contest on 2m (+ maybe 70cm)
into two weekends, for example September weekend only for
WSJT modes and November weekend classical iCW?
All competitress would be satisfied..

73 -.. . Matej, OK1TEH


> ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
> Od: Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>
> P?edm?t: [Moon] EME ARRL Rules
> Datum: 11.2.2010 06:31:59
> ----------------------------------------
> If you want the contest to have any status!!!! Yes Status then it should be kept
> in the way it was done 2009.
> 5.         Don't make any further changes. Let the rules remain as they are
> now.
> If it would be changed again you would certanly lose all CW emers , and it would
> only be a Internet contest, What a future.
> 73 de Lars SM4IVE
> 
> 
> 


From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Thu Feb 11 18:45:30 2010
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:45:30 -0000
Subject: [Moon] 6cm and 9cm Activity weekends 2010
Message-ID: <0E23A9317B1346579194299614BD4FFE@D7BX6Z0J>

 I had a good response to my email of 2nd February and the consensus is that this year we use the  Dubus contest  weekend of March 21/22 as the 9cm "AW" and have a 6cm AW on July 10 / 11. Nearer the time we can organise skeds, identify some "big guns", and co-ordinate windows for JA, VK/ZL.  The idea of an AW is just to encourage activity and to enable people to test out their station, hopefully with some big signals on the band. See http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/NLD/eme0909.pdf for a report on last years one.
Details of the 2010 DUBUS EME contests can be found here http://www.marsport.org.uk/dubus/eme.htm If the link doesnt work then search for  "Dubus eme"
So now...lets get building!
73 Peter G3LTF
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:23:55 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net]  EME ARRL Rules
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Hi Fred, I don't think so. There are lot of WSJT stations
which are QRO and easy capable to work iCW contacts,
but they don't run it because of less time for easier
JT65 contest contacts. I personally run in both modes,
but telegraphy is just bigger fun and I think that such a
new rule of contest would make it more enjoyable :-)


My opinion about "internet" contest contacts: I think that
N0UK and HB9Q chats should be off during
this contest but if the ARRL contest is splitted into 
MGM (Machine Generated Modes) and telegraphy
weekends, the "off time" would be just 2 days. As I'm
1Y QRP station I know how is difficult to make a JT65
contact on random without MAP65 & SDR but there
can be good replacement for chat in JT65 contest category, 
it's web http://www.livecq144.com This website is based on
online PC output from QRO stations with MAP65 software,
so small QRP stations would be well informated about the
frequencies of various stations in contest but this web
is only something like an extended EME dxcluster, so
none online talks, just a information list. 

Matej, OK1TEH




------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
Od: Fred <n1dpm at verizon.net>
P?edm?t: Re: Re: [Moon-net] [Moon] EME ARRL Rules
Datum: 11.2.2010 16:13:09
---------------------------------------------

From f2tu.philippe at orange.fr  Thu Feb 11 20:24:28 2010
From: f2tu.philippe at orange.fr (F2TU Philippe)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:24:28 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] 6cm and 9cm Activity weekends 2010
In-Reply-To: <0E23A9317B1346579194299614BD4FFE@D7BX6Z0J>
References: <0E23A9317B1346579194299614BD4FFE@D7BX6Z0J>
Message-ID: <4B74596C.60200@orange.fr>

Hello,
But there is  Dubus contest April 24/25 for 6cm..?
73

Philippe PIERRAT - F2TU
http://F2TU.perso.orange.fr


Le 11/02/2010 18:45 , peter blair a ?crit :
>   I had a good response to my email of 2nd February and the consensus is that this year we use the  Dubus contest  weekend of March 21/22 as the 9cm "AW" and have a 6cm AW on July 10 / 11. Nearer the time we can organise skeds, identify some "big guns", and co-ordinate windows for JA, VK/ZL.  The idea of an AW is just to encourage activity and to enable people to test out their station, hopefully with some big signals on the band.
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:23:55 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net]  EME ARRL Rules
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Hi Fred, I don't think so. There are lot of WSJT stations
which are QRO and easy capable to work iCW contacts,
but they don't run it because of less time for easier
JT65 contest contacts. I personally run in both modes,
but telegraphy is just bigger fun and I think that such a
new rule of contest would make it more enjoyable :-)


My opinion about "internet" contest contacts: I think that
N0UK and HB9Q chats should be off during
this contest but if the ARRL contest is splitted into 
MGM (Machine Generated Modes) and telegraphy
weekends, the "off time" would be just 2 days. As I'm
1Y QRP station I know how is difficult to make a JT65
contact on random without MAP65 & SDR but there
can be good replacement for chat in JT65 contest category, 
it's web http://www.livecq144.com This website is based on
online PC output from QRO stations with MAP65 software,
so small QRP stations would be well informated about the
frequencies of various stations in contest but this web
is only something like an extended EME dxcluster, so
none online talks, just a information list. 

Matej, OK1TEH




------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
Od: Fred <n1dpm at verizon.net>
P?edm?t: Re: Re: [Moon-net] [Moon] EME ARRL Rules
Datum: 11.2.2010 16:13:09
---------------------------------------------

From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Thu Feb 11 22:38:36 2010
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:38:36 +0100
Subject: [Moon] 6cm and 9cm Activity weekends 2010
In-Reply-To: <0E23A9317B1346579194299614BD4FFE@D7BX6Z0J>
Message-ID: <JAEELMKIFCBHOBHEEHMBMEPECJAA.ok1dfc@seznam.cz>

Great Peter, I hope to join this 9cm SW this year from my QTH. I hope that
will cooperate and I will have chance to build my portable dish on the
terrace.
Regards

Zdenek - OK1DFC
www.ok1dfc.com
QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz
WAC 432 - 1296 MHz
QRO 10m dish
ICQ-397994501
  -----Original Message-----
  From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On
Behalf Of peter blair
  Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:46 PM
  To: moonbounceboard; freetalk moonnet
  Cc: Al Katz
  Subject: [Moon] 6cm and 9cm Activity weekends 2010


   I had a good response to my email of 2nd February and the consensus is
that this year we use the  Dubus contest  weekend of March 21/22 as the 9cm
"AW" and have a 6cm AW on July 10 / 11. Nearer the time we can organise
skeds, identify some "big guns", and co-ordinate windows for JA, VK/ZL.  The
idea of an AW is just to encourage activity and to enable people to test out
their station, hopefully with some big signals on the band. See
http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/NLD/eme0909.pdf for a report on last years
one.
  Details of the 2010 DUBUS EME contests can be found here
http://www.marsport.org.uk/dubus/eme.htm If the link doesnt work then search
for  "Dubus eme"
  So now...lets get building!
  73 Peter G3LTF
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From gabercr at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 11 23:41:38 2010
From: gabercr at nc.rr.com (gabercr at nc.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:41:38 -0500
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME Contest Rules
Message-ID: <20100211224138.PRKL0.563467.root@cdptpa-web03-z02>

Gentlemen,

I compiled the past winning scores for single operators operating on a single-band from the period 1999-2008 from the ARRL published results on www.arrl.org/contests

My observations (but please make your own independant conclusions):

1) In 2005, the Assisted category was added.  It appears it has had the effect of splitting up the 144Mhz winning station into 2-4 winners.  However, if you average the winning scores, you will end up with a score comparable to the single non-Assisted score prior to 2005.

2) Winning station operated Assisted mode 3 out of last 4 years.  However, the # of stations reporting 10 or more QSO's is about the same as before 2005.

3) Activity on 432Mhz has severely declined since 2003 but is almost exclusively unassisted / CW.

4) Activity on 1296Mhz has been very steady over years and almost exclusively unassisted / CW.  Majority of stations are operating unassisted, but a few assisted stations are posting comparable scores since the category was added in 2005.


Here is the list I compiled:

ARRL EME Contest Results 1999-2008 for Single Operator / Single Band

Winning score for each Class is listed followed by the # of stations completing
at least 10 QSO's in ().

Year  144Mhz        432Mhz        1296Mhz        Class
----- ------------  ------------  ------------   ----------------------
2008  57x28    (4)  66x30   (10)  102x43  (13)   Single, Analog
      68x37   (12)                               Single, Digital
      175x67   (3)                43x25   (1)    Single, Mixed
      317x91  (36)                15x12   (1)    Single, Mixed Assisted

2007  77x37   (12)  72x32   (16)  89x40   (14)   Single, Analog
      173x72  (14)  1x1     (0)                  Single, Digital
      301x87  (10)                17x12   (1)    Single, Mixed
      197x68  (27)  24x22   (1)   117x44  (1)    Single, Mixed Assisted

2006  240x71  (29)  76x35   (10)  90x40   (17)   Single, Mixed
      76x35   (10)  30x24   (3)   90x39   (3)    Single, Mixed Assisted

2005  179x58  (16)  83x37   (11)  95x45   (16)   Single, Mixed
      207x67  (35)  13x10   (1)   80x40   (1)    Single, Mixed Assisted

2004  169x67  (31)  84x36   (14)  75x41   (15)   Single

2003  250x54  (42) 106x38   (17)  82x32   (13)   Single
                                             
2002  161x45  (29)  77x32   (23)  63x29   (13)   Single

2001  226x52  (56) 106x36   (26)  85x35   (20)   Single

2000  281x58  (54) 118x38   (28)   98x35  (23)   Single

1999  320x60  (85) 118x35   (25)   75x33  (18)   Single


N8CQ



From gabercr at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb 12 19:06:10 2010
From: gabercr at nc.rr.com (gabercr at nc.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:06:10 -0500
Subject: [Moon] ARRL Historical Results (again)
Message-ID: <20100212180610.ZVTGY.550877.root@cdptpa-web03-z01>

I found hardcopies of ARRL EME results for 1997 and 1998, so thought I'd update the list again to include them.

Something has definitely happened to 432Mhz activity over the years.

The # of stations reporting 10 or more QSO's on 432Mhz is about half of what it used to be.  The winning score is also about half of what it used to be.

I assume the goal of the potential rules changes is to increase activity, possibly there ought to be some sorta multiplier to 432Mhz QSO's to increase activity.  Just a thought....  HI

------------------------------------

ARRL EME Contest Results 1997-2008 for Single Operator / Single Band

Winning scores for each band and class

() denotes # of stations reporting 10 QSO's or more

Year  144Mhz        432Mhz        1296Mhz        Class
----- ------------  ------------  ------------   ----------------------
2008  57x28    (4)  66x30   (10)  102x43  (13)   Single, Analog
      68x37   (12)                               Single, Digital
      175x67   (3)                43x25   (1)    Single, Mixed
      317x91  (36)                15x12   (1)    Single, Mixed Assisted

2007  77x37   (12)  72x32   (16)  89x40   (14)   Single, Analog
      173x72  (14)  1x1     (0)                  Single, Digital
      301x87  (10)                17x12   (1)    Single, Mixed
      197x68  (27)  24x22   (1)   117x44  (1)    Single, Mixed Assisted

2006  240x71  (29)  76x35   (10)  90x40   (17)   Single, Mixed
      76x35   (10)  30x24   (3)   90x39   (3)    Single, Mixed Assisted

2005  179x58  (16)  83x37   (11)  95x45   (16)   Single, Mixed
      207x67  (35)  13x10   (1)   80x40   (1)    Single, Mixed Assisted

2004  169x67  (31)  84x36   (14)  75x41   (15)   Single

2003  250x54  (42) 106x38   (17)  82x32   (13)   Single
                                             
2002  161x45  (29)  77x32   (23)  63x29   (13)   Single

2001  226x52  (56) 106x36   (26)  85x35   (20)   Single

2000  281x58  (54) 118x38   (28)  98x35   (23)   Single

1999  320x60  (85) 118x35   (25)  75x33   (18)   Single

1998  330x55  (60) 131x40   (34)  81x36   (19)   Single

1997  308x56  (69) 137x42   (42)  72x36   (7)    Single



From gabercr at nc.rr.com  Sat Feb 13 16:29:34 2010
From: gabercr at nc.rr.com (Gary Abercrombie)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:29:34 -0500
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME Results
Message-ID: <PHEPLJCOIBHAPNOKGGJKAEKGCFAA.gabercr@nc.rr.com>

OK1KIR, OK1TEH and G3LTF have provided me with the full links to ARRL EME
contests
from 1978 on so went ahead and added these also.  Thank you for the links
and I
enjoyed very much reading the soapbox and writeups for all of the ARRL
contests.

OK1TEH provided me with this link:

http://www.ok2kkw.com/eme_contesting.htm
http://www.ok2kkw.com/wsjt2006/provoz_eme.png


N8CQ
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

ARRL EME Contest Results 1978-2008 for Single Operator / Single Band

Winning scores for each band and class

() denotes # of stations reporting 10 QSO's or more

Year  144Mhz        432Mhz        1296Mhz        Class
----- ------------  ------------  ------------   ----------------------
2008  57x28    (4)  66x30   (10)  102x43  (13)   Single, Analog
      68x37   (12)                               Single, Digital
      175x67   (3)                43x25   (1)    Single, Mixed
      317x91  (36)                15x12   (1)    Single, Mixed Assisted

2007  77x37   (12)  72x32   (16)  89x40   (14)   Single, Analog
      173x72  (14)  1x1     (0)                  Single, Digital
      301x87  (10)                17x12   (1)    Single, Mixed
      197x68  (27)  24x22   (1)   117x44  (1)    Single, Mixed Assisted

2006  240x71  (29)  76x35   (10)  90x40   (17)   Single, Mixed
      76x35   (10)  30x24   (3)   90x39   (3)    Single, Mixed Assisted

2005  179x58  (16)  83x37   (11)  95x45   (16)   Single, Mixed
      207x67  (35)  13x10   (1)   80x40   (1)    Single, Mixed Assisted

2004  169x67  (31)  84x36   (14)  75x41   (15)   Single
2003  250x54  (42) 106x38   (17)  82x32   (13)   Single
2002  161x45  (29)  77x32   (23)  63x29   (13)   Single
2001  226x52  (56) 106x36   (26)  85x35   (20)   Single
2000  281x58  (54) 118x38   (28)  98x35   (23)   Single
1999  320x60  (85) 118x35   (25)  75x33   (18)   Single
1998  330x55  (60) 131x40   (34)  81x36   (19)   Single
1997  308x56  (69) 137x42   (42)  72x36   (17)   Single
1996  281x55  (46) 143x44   (34)  73x35   (22)   Single
1995  209x47  (41) 141x37   (28)  77x32   (22)   Single
1994  324x57  (77) 166x43   (27)  71x30   (19)   Single
1993  316x54  (60) 188x44   (30)  63x31   (13)   Single
1992  331x54  (63) 174x38   (37)  48x24    (6)   Single
1991  338x54  (61) 167x43   (33)  50x22   (15)   Single
1990  292x52  (48) 146x40   (23)  36x22    (8)   Single
1989  313x51  (51) 138x40   (26)  39x21   (12)   Single
1988  300x52  (54) 122x39   (27)  16x14    (1)   Single
1987  247x52  (43) 103x37   (25)  24x19    (1)   Single
1986  278x56  (41) 90x35    (18)  22x16    (2)   Single
1985  200x45  (42) 86x32    (18)  23x20    (3)   Single
1984  176x48  (58) 96x31    (16)  18x15    (3)   Single
1983  129x41  (50) 86x32    (18)  11x10    (1)   Single

1982  110x33  (38) 68x29    (26)  18x13    (2)   Single  Fall
1982  124x33  (23) 61x26    (20)  12x11    (3)   Single, Spring

1981   90x30  (13) 63x28    (18)  8x8      (0)   Single
1980   30x19  (13) 51x27    (24)  4x4      (0)   Single
1979   39x18  (15) 27x18    (17)  1x1      (0)   Single
1978   21x13   (9) 14x13     (8)  none           Single



From DL1YMK at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 19:20:04 2010
From: DL1YMK at aol.com (DL1YMK at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:20:04 EST
Subject: [Moon] 9cm AW
Message-ID: <8bc3.46fd2b74.38a84754@aol.com>

Gentlemen,
 
I only could follow the discussion about a 9 cm AW, my dear friend  Peter 
LTF initiated recently,  with some time delay due to heavy  workload with 
'non-radio activities'.
However, even with a public agreement found already democraticly, I just  
ask you to consider a few points regarding this topic, as I SUBJECTIVELY  see 
them - there is no need to share my view, at all.
 

From dj3jj at gmx.net  Sat Feb 13 23:48:29 2010
From: dj3jj at gmx.net (Andreas Haefner)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:48:29 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME Contest info
Message-ID: <20100213224829.244860@gmx.net>

FYI

http://www.arrl.org/contests/emerules.pdf

73s Andreas, DJ3JJ
-- 
NEU: Mit GMX DSL ?ber 1000,- ? sparen!
http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02


From rein0zn at ix.netcom.com  Sun Feb 14 08:59:35 2010
From: rein0zn at ix.netcom.com (rein0zn at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:59:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Moon] 432 and Above EME Newsletter for March 2010
Message-ID: <30992614.1266134375427.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hello All,


The 432 MHz and Above EME Newsletter for March 2010 by K2UYH is
at:   

     http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/em70cm.html

Choices to be selected for the ARRL EME Contest

Enjoy.

73 Rein W6SZ





From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Sun Feb 14 09:49:35 2010
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:49:35 -0000
Subject: [Moon] 9cm AW
References: <8bc3.46fd2b74.38a84754@aol.com>
Message-ID: <369D282CE8AA466DA20B386C3B8FCB27@D7BX6Z0J>

 Hi Michael, sorry for the very quick reply last night, all your points are absolutely correct but the problem is that this year the 2010 moon conditions seem to be bad at the weekends. see http://pagesperso-orange.fr/f1ehn/eme_data/Moon_2010.pdf  Looking for low loss and high declination in the months after May ( the end of DUBUS contests).......June is hopeless as the sun is almost coincident with the moon, July is OK and so I suggested we took that for 6cm as we had, for the first time a dedicated contest w/e on 9cm mainly because of the activity generated by the AWs in earlier years. Yes, the DUBUS rules must apply if stations are entering that contest and I take your point about skeds and contests and weather ( especially this year!!) 
 I didn't include August7/8 because of holidays in Europe but maybe we should target that for a 9cm AW. I'm very relaxed about it!
I did not suggest weekends with declinations that were below 0 degrees declination, there are some there going from 0 to -10 deg over the w/e. ( e.g. June 19-20) I have a big problem with low dec. due to trees and I know some others do as well but if thats what everyone wants to do then OK.
 73 Peter G3LTF

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DL1YMK at aol.com 
  To: moon at moonbounce.info 
  Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [Moon] 9cm AW


  Gentlemen,

  I only could follow the discussion about a 9 cm AW, my dear friend Peter LTF initiated recently,  with some time delay due to heavy workload with 'non-radio activities'.
  However, even with a public agreement found already democraticly, I just ask you to consider a few points regarding this topic, as I SUBJECTIVELY see them - there is no need to share my view, at all.

  From my perspective it is not a fruitful idea to make the Dubus contest 3.4 GHz weekend coincident with the 9cm AW. We all know that especially on 9 cm ANY activity is dearly needed these days in order to show the national telecom authorities there is amateur traffic on this 'odd ' band (see the UK OFCOM inquieries these days). A second weekend of concentrated 9cm activity in this respect, apart from the Dubus EME contest, when by itself there is a maximum of stations on the band, would be very recommendable from my point of view. I think it would not present too much stress to change feeds one more time...What, if the March contest weekend offers bad WX conditions in Northern Europe (not that unlikely, isn't it?), resulting in little activity during the contest...game tilt, and not try again - hmm?

  Another point is that to my understanding skedding during Dubus contest time is not allowed for very good reasons...whereas it may be vital on a normal AW, especially for weak stations. Even, if skeds are arranged b4 the contest time within contest rules, it still is not my understanding of a radio contest (yeahh, I know I'm getting old...). Of course I know there are tropo mw contests, but why not have another EME fun weekend on 3.4 GHz?

  Last year several DXpeditions have brought some extra opportunities to try out your 9cm EME stations, but at least as far as XXX/DL1YMK in oncoming May is concerned, there will be NO 9cm activity, as local frequency allocations of the planned destination do not allow for any 3.4 GHz operation.

  Forgive me, I was just thinking.... you don't have to stand my contributions to the reflector too often, don't you?

  73 de Michael, DL1YMK


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From Bruinier at t-online.de  Sun Feb 14 11:11:00 2010
From: Bruinier at t-online.de (Johann Bruinier)
Date: 14 Feb 2010 10:11 GMT
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME Contest Rules
Message-ID: <1NgbR8-1VU4rw0@fwd04.aul.t-online.de>

Hi Army,

many thanks for your effort and patience.
IMHO, 'nuff has been written and said.
Allow me to join all my fellow voters for option #5.
The present rules are a sensible and acceptable compromise and should not be altered.

73 de Jan DL9KR (contest participant since 1978).
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From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp  Sun Feb 14 15:07:32 2010
From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:07:32 +0900
Subject: [Moon] 8J1AXA, Feb. 20-21
Message-ID: <20100214140732142.NMLN.8237.wememta102.odn.ne.jp@mta102.odn.ne.jp>

Hello all: 

  8J1AXA has a plan to operate 1296MHz next weekend, 
Feb. 20-21.  
This time they invites some college students who operate 
from their club stations for contests.   PSE come and call.  

TNX & GL 

Mike JH1KRC 




From DL1YMK at aol.com  Sun Feb 14 18:41:59 2010
From: DL1YMK at aol.com (DL1YMK at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:41:59 EST
Subject: [Moon] QSL's MI/DL1YMK and OH0/DL1YMK
Message-ID: <8b6d.6bf72c88.38a98fe7@aol.com>

Gents,
 
just to give notice that all QSL's sent to me with SASE for a. m.  
DXpeditions have been processed this weekend and will be posted on  Tuesday.
 
vy 73 de Michael, DL1YMK
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From DL1YMK at aol.com  Sun Feb 14 19:39:14 2010
From: DL1YMK at aol.com (DL1YMK at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:39:14 EST
Subject: [Moon] RE 9cm AW
Message-ID: <9fbf.6762754c.38a99d52@aol.com>

 
Hi Peter,
 
I'm not in the position to spend much time on EME-related things these days 
 (unfortunately), but I had a very quick look in my tracking program: so 
why not  chosing the 7./ 8. of August? The well established lists tell you 
that the sun  is close, but being a scientist by profession I never believe 
what lists and  tables try to tell me without having a closer look at things, 
hi! Most of  the usable time the sun has more than 40? offset, this should 
not be too  problematic, even with small dishes (like mine for example).
 
The idea I don't like is the coincidence of a contest with an AW,  because 
I fear it might present a temptation for some folks  to violate contest 
rules, i.e. And having another activity concentration besides  the contest 
weighs more in my eyes than slight drawbacks in propagation. There  might be 
other 'compromise weekends', but I did not do any further checks, as  summer 
time suits my old bones much better than cold and foggy days ;-))
 
73 de Michael
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From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Sun Feb 14 19:43:56 2010
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:43:56 -0000
Subject: [Moon] 9cm AW
References: <8bc3.46fd2b74.38a84754@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6A2DA07D4CD94B87ACD8742C2C7F03F2@D7BX6Z0J>

 This is for 9cm enthusiasts.... Ive been in contact with Michael and we both selected August 7/8th  as a good weekend to have a 9cm AW. There would then be no restriction on sked arrangements of conflict with the contest.
Please reply off list if you agree / disagree. If there is sufficient support I will make a  posting on the reflectors
73 Peter 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DL1YMK at aol.com 
  To: moon at moonbounce.info 
  Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [Moon] 9cm AW


  Gentlemen,

  I only could follow the discussion about a 9 cm AW, my dear friend Peter LTF initiated recently,  with some time delay due to heavy workload with 'non-radio activities'.
  However, even with a public agreement found already democraticly, I just ask you to consider a few points regarding this topic, as I SUBJECTIVELY see them - there is no need to share my view, at all.

  From my perspective it is not a fruitful idea to make the Dubus contest 3.4 GHz weekend coincident with the 9cm AW. We all know that especially on 9 cm ANY activity is dearly needed these days in order to show the national telecom authorities there is amateur traffic on this 'odd ' band (see the UK OFCOM inquieries these days). A second weekend of concentrated 9cm activity in this respect, apart from the Dubus EME contest, when by itself there is a maximum of stations on the band, would be very recommendable from my point of view. I think it would not present too much stress to change feeds one more time...What, if the March contest weekend offers bad WX conditions in Northern Europe (not that unlikely, isn't it?), resulting in little activity during the contest...game tilt, and not try again - hmm?

  Another point is that to my understanding skedding during Dubus contest time is not allowed for very good reasons...whereas it may be vital on a normal AW, especially for weak stations. Even, if skeds are arranged b4 the contest time within contest rules, it still is not my understanding of a radio contest (yeahh, I know I'm getting old...). Of course I know there are tropo mw contests, but why not have another EME fun weekend on 3.4 GHz?

  Last year several DXpeditions have brought some extra opportunities to try out your 9cm EME stations, but at least as far as XXX/DL1YMK in oncoming May is concerned, there will be NO 9cm activity, as local frequency allocations of the planned destination do not allow for any 3.4 GHz operation.

  Forgive me, I was just thinking.... you don't have to stand my contributions to the reflector too often, don't you?

  73 de Michael, DL1YMK


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From pchomins at san.rr.com  Mon Feb 15 05:36:24 2010
From: pchomins at san.rr.com (Paul Chominski)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:36:24 -0800
Subject: [Moon] 9 cm at WA6PY
References: <8bc3.46fd2b74.38a84754@aol.com>
	<6A2DA07D4CD94B87ACD8742C2C7F03F2@D7BX6Z0J>
Message-ID: <2601A10A962C416287AE64F9C7627174@your7008ffa13b>

Hi All,
I tested today septum feed for 9cm. This is scaled down N2UO Dual Mode 5 step septum 1296 feed with replaced flare with Chaparral design.
I was getting in average 11.2 dB Sun Noise with my 3.6 m dish.
I modified LO in my old 3456 MHz transverter to work on 3400 MHz. LNA is modified C-band TVRO downconverter block with NF about 0.75 dB.
Unfortunately I do not have any PA for this band, but I will at least SWL during the contest and/or activity weekend.

VY 73 Paul WA6PY
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From guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de  Mon Feb 15 07:32:32 2010
From: guenter.koellner at mixed-mode.de (Guenter Koellner)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:32:32 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME Contest Rules
In-Reply-To: <1NgbR8-1VU4rw0@fwd04.aul.t-online.de>
References: <1NgbR8-1VU4rw0@fwd04.aul.t-online.de>
Message-ID: <60869.217.10.60.85.1266215552.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de>

Hello all,

I had told my preferences before, but limiting them now to one statement:

LEAVE AS IS - this is pretty fine and lets people operate and not sit in
front of the computer just for chatting.

73, G?nter (dl4mea)





From ok1tehlist at seznam.cz  Mon Feb 15 18:38:42 2010
From: ok1tehlist at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?OK1TEH=20Petrzilka?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:38:42 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] FY/DL2NUD on 432 MHz
In-Reply-To: <60869.217.10.60.85.1266215552.squirrel@intern.netexpress.de>
Message-ID: <68011.21851.33558-3343-469198272-1266255522@seznam.cz>

Hi all,
I put here an information what I saw on chat.
FY/DL2NUD worked 2day first 70cm JT65 contacts with:
I1NDP, DL5FN and was RXed by UA3PTW, F6APE & OK2POI.
UA3PTW saw him -23, I1NDP -17, DL5FN -23dB
and FY/DL2NUD saw DL5FN -27dB.

FY/DL2NUD is QRV from GJ35sa with 38el antenna,
400W at dipol from Beko PA + DJ9BV's LNA.

He has no email for sked but his prefered frequency
is 432.093 (.092) MHz. He claimed to start 70cm
activity on Friday 19th February but maybe that
he'll pop up during this week earlier.

btw. No info about CW operation but it's expected.


73 & GL
Matej, OK1TEH


From jimmyv at hol.gr  Mon Feb 15 20:06:58 2010
From: jimmyv at hol.gr (Dimitris Vitorakis)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:06:58 +0200
Subject: [Moon] send in your views
References: <8b6d.6bf72c88.38a98fe7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3464058B0E4246329A0110900C72E57B@mar.intralot.com>

Hello CW EME ops

Please do what you can to make sure that VUAC hears from you Guys who have 
actually participated in ARRL past and / or present EME contests over the years, and  
have random QSOs contest experience. I know we all have repeatedly expressed our views in public in the 
last 8 years, but is time to seriously do it again. But through the appropriate channel as seen below, asap.


From pa3cwn at tele2.nl  Mon Feb 15 20:29:45 2010
From: pa3cwn at tele2.nl (Oene)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:29:45 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Spinner Coax Relays nr. BN 757280
Message-ID: <4B79A0A9.4070804@tele2.nl>

Hello All,

For a friend of mine I am asking if someone has info on the
connections of the Spinner Coax Relays nr. BN 757280 ?
The D-sub E=9-pins and C=37pins  connections of this relay.

Is there a link to PDF or has one this PDF ?

Many thanks for reading and hopefully an answer

Vy 73 Oene
PA3CWN


From nw_ebw at MMMonVHF.de  Mon Feb 15 20:57:42 2010
From: nw_ebw at MMMonVHF.de (nw_ebw at MMMonVHF.de)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:57:42 +0100
Subject: [Moon] FY/DL2NUD on 432 MHz
In-Reply-To: <68011.21851.33558-3343-469198272-1266255522@seznam.cz>
References: <68011.21851.33558-3343-469198272-1266255522@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4B79A736.9030700@MMMonVHF.de>

Am 15.02.2010 18:38, schrieb OK1TEH Petrzilka:
> Hi all,
> I put here an information what I saw on chat.
> FY/DL2NUD worked 2day first 70cm JT65 contacts with:
> I1NDP, DL5FN and was RXed by UA3PTW, F6APE&  OK2POI.
> UA3PTW saw him -23, I1NDP -17, DL5FN -23dB
> and FY/DL2NUD saw DL5FN -27dB.
>
> FY/DL2NUD is QRV from GJ35sa with 38el antenna,
> 400W at dipol from Beko PA + DJ9BV's LNA.
>
> He has no email for sked but his prefered frequency
> is 432.093 (.092) MHz. He claimed to start 70cm
> activity on Friday 19th February but maybe that
> he'll pop up during this week earlier.
>
> btw. No info about CW operation but it's expected.
>
>
> 73&  GL
> Matej, OK1TEH


Hi there...

latest NEWS about the trip (and Hermanns trouble)
will be available at:

http://www.mmmonvhf.de/latest.php?id=3064

After a GREAT solidarity at the EME-community and
lot of sponsoring for a Express delivery, a new
2m BEKO PA (HLV 750) will now be on the way to FY
Sure it will take some days to have it at FY and
through the customs but please do remember Hermann
can be on until 2nd of march and so a fair chance
again for lot of peoples on 2m as well...


  Mit freundlichem Gru? / best regards


    73 de  Guy (Guido)  D L 8 E B W
    QTH:  JO31NF / DL66a   MMMonVHF
    VHF-DX: MS & EME in WSJT & HSCW

     Member of the Team of MMMonVHF
         http://www.MMMonVHF.de

We do spread weekly VHF-DX-Newsletter
www.mmmonvhf.de/nletter/newsletter.php



From dl7apv at gmx.de  Mon Feb 15 21:31:23 2010
From: dl7apv at gmx.de (Bernd Wilde)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:31:23 +0100
Subject: [Moon] send in your views
In-Reply-To: <3464058B0E4246329A0110900C72E57B@mar.intralot.com>
References: <8b6d.6bf72c88.38a98fe7@aol.com>
	<3464058B0E4246329A0110900C72E57B@mar.intralot.com>
Message-ID: <4B79AF1B.6090702@gmx.de>

Hi Jimmy and all,

I would also strongly prefer #5.

Maybe #3 is not too bad, as we have not many CW qsos in 2nd part on 432, 
but that would not fit with 1296 I believe.
Just looked in my old logs, my first attend was 1983, but I send no logs in.

73 Bernd DL7APV


Dimitris Vitorakis schrieb:
> Hello CW EME ops
>  
> Please do what you can to make sure that VUAC hears from you Guys who 
> have
> actually participated in ARRL past and / or present EME contests over 
> the years, and  
> have random QSOs contest experience. I know we all have repeatedly 
> expressed our views in public in the
> last 8 years, but is time to seriously do it again. But through the 
> appropriate channel as seen below, asap.
> From what I hear, the VUAC is hearing a great deal of noise from 
> people who want to use
> assistance... but many of them have never (or seldom) submitted a
> contest log.
>
> I personally strongly and only support proposal nr 5 ''Don't make any 
> further changes. Let the rules remain as they are now'' and have sent 
> my views as to the reason why, to Army AE5P as well as to all VUAC 
> members.
>
> 73
> Jimmy SV1BTR
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Army Curtis - AE5P" <ae5p at suddenlink.net 
> <mailto:ae5p at suddenlink.net>>
> To: <moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net <mailto:moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net>>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:45 PM
> Subject: [Moon-net] EME Rules Survey
>
> > ARRL's VUAC is considering revising the current rules for the ARRL
> > International EME Contest, and we would like your input.
> >
> > Effective with the 2009 contest, assistance is not allowed per rule 
> 6.3 as
> > follows:
> >
> > 6.3 During the contest periods, no contest entrant, in any category
> > --single-operator or multi-operator-- may use non-EME means for the
> > purpose
> > of self-spotting, solicitation or coordination of QSOs or attempts 
> to make
> > contact; nor may any entrant use assistance or provide assistance in the
> > form of frequency spotting or use any form of DX spotting, Packet 
> Cluster,
> > Ping Jockey, email, telephone, etc. Exception: liaison to coordinate
> > band-by-band activity is explicitly permitted for the bands2.3 GHz and
> > higher.
> >
> > VUAC members have received numerous messages from many of you folks
> > regarding this change; some in favor; some opposed. We are considering
> > making further changes to the rules to address your concerns, and we 
> would
> > like to hear from the EME community on this.
> >
> > Several proposals have been put forth, such as:
> >
> > 1. Reinstate the rules regarding assistance as they existed in
> > 2008.
> >
> > 2. Establish a new class of operation called "Coordinated".
> > Entrants
> > in this class would be allowed to post ONLY their call-sign and calling
> > frequency via the internet or other methods for other entrants to 
> see. Any
> > station posting or viewing this information would be considered to be in
> > the "Coordinated" class.
> >
> > 3. Let the current rules (non-assistance only) apply to one of the
> > two weekends for 50-1296, and let assistance be used on the other 
> 50-1296
> > weekend.
> >
> > 4. Run a separate EME contest for 50-1296 using assistance on the
> > weekend reserved for 2304 and up.
> >
> > 5. Don't make any further changes. Let the rules remain as they
> > are now.
> >
> > The VUAC would very much appreciate hearing from you concerning these
> > proposals. Where do you stand on this matter? Which proposal do you
> > prefer,
> > and why? Feel free to modify any or all of this as you deem best.
> >
> > Please respond to this survey to your VUAC representative AND to Army
> > Curtis, AE5P (ae5p at arrl.net <mailto:ae5p at arrl.net>) . A list of VUAC 
> members can be found at
> > http://www.arrl.org/contests/vuac.html . Comments must be received no
> > later
> > than February 17, 2010 to be considered by the VUAC. If you do not 
> have a
> > VUAC representative, please respond to Jon Platt, W0ZQ (w0zq at aol.com 
> <mailto:w0zq at aol.com> ) AND
> > to AE5P (ae5p at arrl.net <mailto:ae5p at arrl.net> ).
> >
> > When you respond, please indicate what bands you have made EME contacts
> > on, and if you have ever participated in an EME contest.
> >
> > Please let us hear from you.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Army - AE5P
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From k7xq at elite.net  Mon Feb 15 21:43:46 2010
From: k7xq at elite.net (K7XQ)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:43:46 -0800
Subject: [Moon] send in your views
In-Reply-To: <3464058B0E4246329A0110900C72E57B@mar.intralot.com>
Message-ID: <000701caae7f$940ed4c0$6601a8c0@K7XQH>

Hi Jimmy,
 
I no longer participate in contests ( send in logs and compare scores
with others ) but will still get on and make contacts. Do I send
in logs anyway to simply flag that there is still activity on the bands
to help show the bands are still being used ( this is not a sarcastic 
question but simply a curious question )? In my opinion, the contests
need to be isolated by "CW random only" ,"digital only" and "assisted
only". 
The mixed modes will be a challenge to be defined because of the
assisted method versus true random methods.
 
My biggest gripe isn't the CW/digital/assisted/internet controversy but
simply the lack of activity! There has been 
countless months recently where I hear nothing but my echoes and
virtually no activity ( most of my activity these days randomly have
been on 432 and 1296).
In addition, The EU moon windows goes away and the activity drops to
almost nothing. I wish that the amount of energy that is put into these
arguments 
could simply be put into just getting on the air,
 
I just reviewed my logbook on 144 MHz for example since 1998 and was
very surprised on the number of callsigns that vanished off the 
air. Many of them just leaving EME but are still active elsewhere on
other bands. Did most of them leave because of these arguments and gave
up ?
 
There needs to be a clear definition in the worldwide lawbooks that
states what is not accepted as a valid contact or considered a
"random " contact.
 
 for I.E, the use of software that uses a form or type of "FEC" ( fills
in missing data points by use of software ), MAP65 ( combination of FEC
plus 
signals not audible via the human ears using wideband methods ),
Spectran ( finding signals by use of a computer spectrum analyzer but
not 
found randomly by human ears ), etc.
 
I do personally use all these methods because I am one of those high
tech geeks that likes to try state of the art electronics plus enjoy
bouncing signals
off the moon ANYWAY possible. make EME friends and enjoy getting the QSL
Cards from people all over the world.
 
I work for a major telecommunications company in my area and already see
a major threat to all ham bands above 144 MHz. Worldwide governments
have " limitless"
budgets to buy out the ham bands for use of wireless and space satellite
communications. The space satellite telecommunications sector is
recently exploding in activity and the frequencies are rapidly filling
up and running out of room. 
 
Lets keep the HAM bands alive, active  and protected.
 
just my 2 cents worth.
 
K7XQ Jeff
Atwater,CA. CM97qi
K7XQ logbook and webpage:   http://www.elite.net/~k7xq/k7xq.html
<http://www.elite.net/%7Ek7xq/k7xq.html> 
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]
On Behalf Of Dimitris Vitorakis
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:07 AM
To: moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: [Moon] send in your views


Hello CW EME ops
 
Please do what you can to make sure that VUAC hears from you Guys who
have 
actually participated in ARRL past and / or present EME contests over
the years, and  
have random QSOs contest experience. I know we all have repeatedly
expressed our views in public in the 
last 8 years, but is time to seriously do it again. But through the
appropriate channel as seen below, asap.


From f2tu.philippe at orange.fr  Mon Feb 15 23:35:37 2010
From: f2tu.philippe at orange.fr (F2TU Philippe)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:35:37 +0100
Subject: [Moon] FY/DL2NUD on 432 MHz
In-Reply-To: <68011.21851.33558-3343-469198272-1266255522@seznam.cz>
References: <68011.21851.33558-3343-469198272-1266255522@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4B79CC39.1040401@orange.fr>

Hello,
First FY EME qsos on 432 MHz in CW/SSB were January 1977 with FY7AS 
(Kourou).
73

Philippe F2TU
http://F2TU.perso.orange.fr


Le 15/02/2010 18:38 , OK1TEH Petrzilka a ?crit :
> Hi all,
> I put here an information what I saw on chat.
> FY/DL2NUD worked 2day first 70cm JT65 contacts with:
> I1NDP, DL5FN and was RXed by UA3PTW, F6APE&  OK2POI.
> UA3PTW saw him -23, I1NDP -17, DL5FN -23dB
> and FY/DL2NUD saw DL5FN -27dB.
>
> FY/DL2NUD is QRV from GJ35sa with 38el antenna,
> 400W at dipol from Beko PA + DJ9BV's LNA.
>
> He has no email for sked but his prefered frequency
> is 432.093 (.092) MHz. He claimed to start 70cm
> activity on Friday 19th February but maybe that
> he'll pop up during this week earlier.
>
> btw. No info about CW operation but it's expected.
>
>
> 73&  GL
> Matej, OK1TEH
>
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From df6na at df6na.de  Tue Feb 16 10:51:36 2010
From: df6na at df6na.de (Rainer)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:51:36 +0100
Subject: [Moon] WR90 Waveguide Switch
Message-ID: <4B7A6AA8.4060504@df6na.de>

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From lz1dx at lz1dx.org  Tue Feb 16 12:22:44 2010
From: lz1dx at lz1dx.org (zaprianov)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:22:44 +0200
Subject: [Moon] WR90
Message-ID: <217289818B744102864E70A666C0D64A@pc1>

Hello Rainer,
Thanks fir info!
Have nice day!
73!NED
E-mail lz1dx at lz1dx.org

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P.BOX 64
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From i5wbe at i5wbe.it  Tue Feb 16 16:41:11 2010
From: i5wbe at i5wbe.it (Enrico Baldacci)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:41:11 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Rules ARI EME Contest 2010 - Results EME Marathon 2009
Message-ID: <4B7ABC97.5020401@i5wbe.it>

Hello  All,

At this link you can find  Rules of  ARI EME Contest 2010  and Results 
ARI EME Contest 2009 & WW Italian EME Marathon 2009

http://www.contestvhf.it/index_eng.htm 

Vy 73' de Enrico I5WBE






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From df6na at df6na.de  Tue Feb 16 22:19:33 2010
From: df6na at df6na.de (DF6NA)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:19:33 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] EME Contesting
In-Reply-To: <001a01caaf43$279c3a20$4101a8c0@DHSVBV31>
References: <001a01caaf43$279c3a20$4101a8c0@DHSVBV31>
Message-ID: <4B7B0BE5.8020907@df6na.de>

Ian schrieb:
> Greetings All
>
>
> How was an EME contact made in the days it first got started.
> I have it on good authority that Sked was made via HF or the Telephone.
>
> So we have come along ways since then but the point to be made.  This is a hobby and the purest diehards do not want to play like the majority do.
>
> Russ(K2TXB)  puts it as the wee stations that are limited in what they can put up in the air.  Or the hobbyist that is limited by a budget, to forget about even getting involved in Contesting.
>
> As they will not be accepted in the Realm of the Elite.   The Super Stations in the last contest played with all of us.
>
> The reason for any Contest is for as many people to be involved as possible and it gives a level playing field for The Assisted People.
>
> This is a hobby for all and the more that get involved in a Contest, will allow us to keep the part of 144mhz that we use for EME.
>
> Do not let a few people who consider themselves in an Elite Class ruin the fun for the rest of us.
>
> 73s  Ian
>
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From df6na at df6na.de  Tue Feb 16 22:20:21 2010
From: df6na at df6na.de (DF6NA)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:20:21 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] ARRL EME Contest Rules
In-Reply-To: <88D8F4C704114BC7ACEB0FC1C8573315@NJ.PSS>
References: <30463604.454921266323555908.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
	<88D8F4C704114BC7ACEB0FC1C8573315@NJ.PSS>
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Russ K2TXB schrieb:
> We go round and round on this and it seems never to be settled and no one is
> ever satisfied.
>
> So how about this:  We allow a web page where anyone can spot themselves or
> anyone else.  They can only post callsign and frequency (and maybe
> sequence).
>
> We allow everyone to do this - no restrictions.  We make no special class
> called assisted - everyone can do it.
>
> I don't see this as much more helpful than what a lot of us have already
> been doing - posting a schedule here on moon-net so everyone knows where and
> when to look.
>
> So let's all do it - if we want; the big guns don't need to because everyone
> can hear them anyway.  And some of us will prefer to prove that we can get
> just as large a score as the person who spots.
>
> But that would eliminate the whole controversy.  No assisted class and no
> real time scheduling.
>
> Anything more than that is unacceptable.
>
> 73, Russ K2TXB
>
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net 
>> [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] On Behalf Of 
>> nando.pellegrini at tiscali.it
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:33 AM
>> To: ae5p at arrl.net
>> Cc: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net
>> Subject: Re: [Moon-net] ARRL EME Contest Rules
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>> Before time expires I want to add my small comments to the 
>> discussion, I already have sent some comments attached to the 
>> latest ARRL EME contest log so I?m repeating myself here.
>>
>> I see the contest
>> as a fair competition aimed to enhance the activity and 
>> possibly give fun to all of us regardless to the operating 
>> mode. Besides that what I like most is CW but do not 
>> disregard the digital activity, going to the point which is 
>> assisted versus unassisted I personally think that any form 
>> of assistance in CW (internet, prearranged sked, ?.) would 
>> spoil the value of the QSO because if you know who is on the 
>> other side most of the problems are already solved. To my 
>> opinion, the conclusion is definitely no assistance for 
>> analog transmission.
>>
>> A completely
>> different opinion in case of digital because the element that 
>> decides if the QSO is valid is not the human ears but the 
>> software decoder and as long as there is some ethic in 
>> prearranging the QSO (either forced by new web approach like 
>> limiting the message to callsign and frequency or simply by 
>> self regulation). At the contrary I see some strong 
>> contraindication in prohibiting the self spotting during the 
>> contest , as we have seen during the last contest we have 
>> seen a sizable number of stations not accepting the rules and 
>> therefore not participating to the contest but taking 
>> advantage of the activity with heavy use of loggers. Of 
>> course that opens the door to illegal read only use of 
>> loggers to increase the score.
>> I have seen on moon-net comments
>> complaining the decay of activity on 432Mhz, I am only active 
>> on that band and I can only agree with it but if you remove 
>> the many JT only stations the situation can only get even 
>> worse. Actually most of them are having small setups and 
>> certainly are not motivated to participate by the no assistance rule.
>>
>> For what counts my opinion.
>>
>> Best 73
>>
>>
>> Nando, i1ndp
>>
>>
>>
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>> Tiscali: per ogni amico che attiver? un servizio Tiscali, 
>> potrai avere 30 euro di sconto e lo stesso sconto di 30 euro 
>> verr? poi offerto al tuo amico. 
>>
>> Scopri come! 
>> http://abbonati.tiscali.it/presentaci_un_amico/?WT.mc_id=01fw
>>
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From df6na at df6na.de  Tue Feb 16 22:21:17 2010
From: df6na at df6na.de (DF6NA)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:21:17 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] EME Rules Survey
In-Reply-To: <4B7ACD0F.90102@verizon.net>
References: <4B7ACD0F.90102@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4B7B0C4D.9070008@df6na.de>

Ed White WA3BZT schrieb:
> Hi Gang:
> The most important part of this Contest Rules Survey is to get the max 
> amount of stations on all the bands above 50 MHz EME. With that said 
> we have two groups CW/SSB and Digital (JT). The CW / SSB is a no 
> brainier you hear them you work them. No internet just the radio.
> Now Digital (JT) is a different beast. You will not ALWAYS hear them. 
> the signal is usual well in the noise.There are NO channels which to 
> step through to take a chance to work someone. So what does this mean! 
> Well if you have a station that can do JT65 or have a special digital 
> receiver you MIGHT be able to see the other station.   The small 
> station needs a way to work other stations. Hence the internet. The 
> argument over assisted mode and non assisted mode will go on forever. 
> We need to take action on this now.
> I feel that we need TWO different weekends one CW/SSB and one Digital 
> (JT) Assisted / non assisted (what ever floats your boat) This way the 
> digi. (JT) can use there system to work CW/SSB stations durning the 
> CW/SSB weekend
> The bottom line you want the max amount of stations on the band to 
> show usage. So lets get the assisted mode back in and get more logs. 
> Or we can have less logs sent in and a very poor showing of the 
> frequency's  for the EME "contest" besides all that, the EME contest 
> only gives you the "bragging rights" for what ever you want to prove 
> to yourself. We all get a certificate for being in the contest
> I for one enjoy the contest as it allows me to get my grid and country 
> count up. But after the way the ARRL has treated the digital stations 
> cheating  assisted freq. posting. I do not want to place a log of my 
> contacts.
>
> Think before you make a bigger mistake
>
> Ed
> WA3BZT
>
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From df6na at df6na.de  Wed Feb 17 07:00:01 2010
From: df6na at df6na.de (Rainer)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:00:01 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] ARRL EME Contest Rules
In-Reply-To: <88D8F4C704114BC7ACEB0FC1C8573315@NJ.PSS>
References: <30463604.454921266323555908.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
	<88D8F4C704114BC7ACEB0FC1C8573315@NJ.PSS>
Message-ID: <4B7B85E1.7090506@df6na.de>

On behalf of G4DHF:


Hello Friends,

I've sent an email to Army supporting Option 5, which is to keep the 
rules as they are and not to promote internet assisted QSO's. I intend 
to be QRV again shortly and look forward to this year's contest 
season. In anticipation,

73
David G4DHF
www.g4dhf.com


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From dl5mae at yahoo.de  Wed Feb 17 12:21:52 2010
From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:21:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Moon] WSJT PROGRAM NEDDS IMPROVEMENT!
Message-ID: <153117.22599.qm@web23701.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hi ALL, 

after reading the discussions about ARRL EME Contest my 
conclusion is that we need some improvemtnets on WSJT program from K1JT: 

1. When starting the program it should direct one immediately to all possible 
    chatrooms available. If not connected to such chatrooms the number of QSOs 
    will be very little or almost impossible. Also, I dont like to spend much effort for the    contest.   Its very boring finding my QSO partner myself.

2. The super deep search tool needs to be improved to a MEGA deep search. 
    I am still not able to work MOBILE STATIONs  using vertical antennas. 
    Also the schedule with my friend AC6ZT/4  who was hanging around @Miami Beach 
    with a handheld failed once more. 

I do hope the changes can be done until AIRL EME Contest! 

(AIRL = American Internet Radio League) 


vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang

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From sv3aaf at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 17 12:58:53 2010
From: sv3aaf at yahoo.com (SV3AAF Petros)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:58:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Moon] WSJT PROGRAM NEDDS IMPROVEMENT!
In-Reply-To: <153117.22599.qm@web23701.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <809026.64136.qm@web59102.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I also look forward to the mentioned wsjt upgrade requests by Wolfgang.
One more: computer goes jittery when using both wsjt and the browser for the logger at the same time, this would be solved this way also.

And a couple of additions:
A version for Playstation and Nintendo Wii is absolutely necessary, after a while you get tired with the computer monitor, it is better to be directly connected to the TV.

GL 73, Petros ? sv3aaf


--- On Wed, 2/17/10, Wolfgang Schlaffer <dl5mae at yahoo.de> wrote:

From: Wolfgang Schlaffer <dl5mae at yahoo.de>
Subject: [Moon] WSJT PROGRAM NEDDS IMPROVEMENT!
To: moon at moonbounce.info
Cc: AE5P at arrl.net
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 1:21 PM

Hi ALL, 

after reading the discussions about ARRL EME Contest my 
conclusion is that we need some improvemtnets on WSJT program from K1JT: 

1. When starting the program it should direct one immediately to all possible 
??? chatrooms available. If not connected to such chatrooms the number of QSOs 
??? will be very little or almost impossible. Also, I dont like to spend much effort for the??? contest. ? Its very boring finding my QSO partner myself.

2. The super deep search tool needs to be improved to a MEGA deep search. 
??? I am still not able to work MOBILE STATIONs? using vertical antennas. 
??? Also the schedule with my friend AC6ZT/4? who was hanging around @Miami
 Beach 
??? with a handheld failed once more. 

I do hope the changes can be done until AIRL EME Contest! 

(AIRL = American Internet Radio League) 


vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang



??? 




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From sm2cew at telia.com  Wed Feb 17 13:26:00 2010
From: sm2cew at telia.com (Peter Sundberg)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:26:00 +0000
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] EME Rules Survey
In-Reply-To: <4B7B0C4D.9070008@df6na.de>
References: <4B7ACD0F.90102@verizon.net>
 <4B7ACD0F.90102@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20100217122614.1D1723B005@smtp-out-1.alltele.net>

>Ed White WA3BZT schrieb:
>> Hi Gang:
>> The most important part of this Contest Rules Survey is to get the max 
>> amount of stations on all the bands above 50 MHz EME. 

In my world this is totally untrue. I wonder if Ed has ever heard or pondered
over the word "contest". THIS is what the survey is all about, i e what is
allowed and what is not allowed in a contest.

The word "contest" was looked up in an online dictionary by K1RQG. This is the
explanation that he was given:

1 : a struggle for superiority or victory : competition
2 : a competition in which each contestant performs without direct contact
with
or 
    interference from his competitors


>> The bottom line you want the max amount of stations on the band to 
>> show usage. So lets get the assisted mode back in and get more logs. 

Let's put this in proportion Ed. Do you really think that potential
threaths to
our ham bands read line scores of an EME contest in QST? Don't be ridiculous.
We are talking about how to run a contest, not how to maximize noise on the
bands. Maximizing noise on the bands is about LEAVING the Internet alone and
focusing on radio communication instead. 

I am ABSOLUTELY certain that if people would call CQ on the bands rather than
stare at the computer screen and waste time on the keyboard the increased
noise
would not go unnoticed. And people would be making contacts they never even
dreamed of making.    


>> Or we can have less logs sent in and a very poor showing of the 
>> frequency's  for the EME "contest" besides all that, the EME contest 
>> only gives you the "bragging rights" for what ever you want to prove 
>> to yourself. We all get a certificate for being in the contest

Say what?


>> I for one enjoy the contest as it allows me to get my grid and country 
>> count up. But after the way the ARRL has treated the digital stations 
>> cheating  assisted freq. posting. I do not want to place a log of my 
>> contacts.

Ed, you do not need to place a contest log to collect grids and DXCC's.
Maximize your fun in this regard. But not by altering the perfecly sensible
contest rules of 2009!

>>
>> Think before you make a bigger mistake
>>
>> Ed
>> WA3BZT


Let me quote the VUAC:

"The VUAC concludes that allowing self-spotting and real-time
schedule-making in
the EME contest
has been a failed experiment. We recommend elimination of the Assisted
categories."

They are spot on. It was a wise decision by the VUAC when considering the
future of the ARRL EME contest.

Creating activity is another matter. Here we can all help by using our radios
much as we can. Contacts can be made without first spending time on the
Internet to arrange them. And even more contacts can be made if precious
operating time is not wasted on the Internet.


73 de Peter SM2CEW
http://blog.sm2cew.com












From dfaessler at bluewin.ch  Wed Feb 17 14:36:40 2010
From: dfaessler at bluewin.ch (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dominique_F=E4ssler_HB9BBD?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:36:40 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] EME Rules Survey
In-Reply-To: <20100217122614.1D1723B005@smtp-out-1.alltele.net>
References: <4B7ACD0F.90102@verizon.net> <4B7ACD0F.90102@verizon.net>
	<20100217122614.1D1723B005@smtp-out-1.alltele.net>
Message-ID: <CDB6DBB9AE4F47178F718E8C0CA3FA01@BBDneuerVajo>

I am totally comfortable with your view, Peter.
There is so much guessing and confusion in this topic - the EME community
behaves as hen when the fox jumpes into the shack.. 
HB9BBD

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] Im
Auftrag von Peter Sundberg
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Februar 2010 13:26
An: DF6NA; moon at moonbounce.info
Betreff: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] EME Rules Survey

>Ed White WA3BZT schrieb:
>> Hi Gang:
>> The most important part of this Contest Rules Survey is to get the max 
>> amount of stations on all the bands above 50 MHz EME. 

In my world this is totally untrue. I wonder if Ed has ever heard or
pondered
over the word "contest". THIS is what the survey is all about, i e what is
allowed and what is not allowed in a contest.

The word "contest" was looked up in an online dictionary by K1RQG. This is
the
explanation that he was given:

1 : a struggle for superiority or victory : competition
2 : a competition in which each contestant performs without direct contact
with
or 
    interference from his competitors


>> The bottom line you want the max amount of stations on the band to 
>> show usage. So lets get the assisted mode back in and get more logs. 

Let's put this in proportion Ed. Do you really think that potential
threaths to
our ham bands read line scores of an EME contest in QST? Don't be
ridiculous.
We are talking about how to run a contest, not how to maximize noise on the
bands. Maximizing noise on the bands is about LEAVING the Internet alone and
focusing on radio communication instead. 

I am ABSOLUTELY certain that if people would call CQ on the bands rather
than
stare at the computer screen and waste time on the keyboard the increased
noise
would not go unnoticed. And people would be making contacts they never even
dreamed of making.    


>> Or we can have less logs sent in and a very poor showing of the 
>> frequency's  for the EME "contest" besides all that, the EME contest 
>> only gives you the "bragging rights" for what ever you want to prove 
>> to yourself. We all get a certificate for being in the contest

Say what?


>> I for one enjoy the contest as it allows me to get my grid and country 
>> count up. But after the way the ARRL has treated the digital stations 
>> cheating  assisted freq. posting. I do not want to place a log of my 
>> contacts.

Ed, you do not need to place a contest log to collect grids and DXCC's.
Maximize your fun in this regard. But not by altering the perfecly sensible
contest rules of 2009!

>>
>> Think before you make a bigger mistake
>>
>> Ed
>> WA3BZT


Let me quote the VUAC:

"The VUAC concludes that allowing self-spotting and real-time
schedule-making in
the EME contest
has been a failed experiment. We recommend elimination of the Assisted
categories."

They are spot on. It was a wise decision by the VUAC when considering the
future of the ARRL EME contest.

Creating activity is another matter. Here we can all help by using our
radios
much as we can. Contacts can be made without first spending time on the
Internet to arrange them. And even more contacts can be made if precious
operating time is not wasted on the Internet.


73 de Peter SM2CEW
http://blog.sm2cew.com











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From W5UWB2 at aol.com  Wed Feb 17 17:14:34 2010
From: W5UWB2 at aol.com (W5UWB2 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:14:34 EST
Subject: [Moon] WSJT PROGRAM NEDDS IMPROVEMENT!
Message-ID: <9295.21d2f6d9.38ad6fea@aol.com>

Enough already! Lets drop the subject.
 
73 - John W5UWB
 
 
In a message dated 2/17/2010 12:00:27 P.M. GMT Standard Time,  
sv3aaf at yahoo.com writes:

Hello,

I also look forward to the mentioned wsjt  upgrade requests by Wolfgang.
One more: computer goes jittery when  using both wsjt and the browser for 
the logger at the same time, this  would be solved this way also.

And a couple of additions:
A  version for Playstation and Nintendo Wii is absolutely necessary, after  
a while you get tired with the computer monitor, it is better to be  
directly connected to the TV.

GL 73, Petros ?  sv3aaf


--- On Wed, 2/17/10, Wolfgang Schlaffer  <dl5mae at yahoo.de> wrote:


From:  Wolfgang Schlaffer <dl5mae at yahoo.de>
Subject: [Moon] WSJT  PROGRAM NEDDS IMPROVEMENT!
To: moon at moonbounce.info
Cc:  AE5P at arrl.net
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 1:21 PM

  
 
Hi ALL, 

after reading the discussions about ARRL EME  Contest my 
conclusion is that we need some improvemtnets on WSJT  program from K1JT: 

1. When starting the program it should  direct one immediately to all 
possible 
chatrooms available. If not connected to such chatrooms the number of  QSOs 
will be very little or almost impossible.  Also, I dont like to spend much 
effort for the     contest.   Its very boring finding my QSO partner  myself.

2. The super deep search tool needs to be improved to a  MEGA deep search. 
I am still not able to work  MOBILE STATIONs  using vertical antennas. 
Also the schedule with my friend AC6ZT/4  who was hanging around  @Miami 
Beach 
with a handheld failed once more.  

I do hope the changes can be done until AIRL EME Contest!  

(AIRL = American Internet Radio League) 


vy 73 de  DL5MAE Wolfgang









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From joe at Princeton.EDU  Wed Feb 17 17:52:45 2010
From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:52:45 -0500
Subject: [Moon] PROGRAM NEDDS IMPROVEMENT! [sic]
In-Reply-To: <mailman.101.1266423332.3646.moon@moonbounce.info>
References: <mailman.101.1266423332.3646.moon@moonbounce.info>
Message-ID: <4B7C1EDD.90508@princeton.edu>

Wolfgang, of course, is spouting nonsense.  But he's always good for a 
laugh.  Petros and Dominique can always be counted on to add their own 
hilarity.  Of course it's absurd to blame a piece of software for the 
(quite unnecessary) ways in which some people use it, but some of us 
like a good laugh (at someone else's expense).

Peter, for once, is not raving but actually makes good sense.

SM2CEW wrote:
> Let me quote the VUAC:
>
> "The VUAC concludes that allowing self-spotting and real-time
> schedule-making in the EME contest has been a failed experiment.
> We recommend elimination of the Assisted categories."
>
> They are spot on. It was a wise decision by the VUAC when considering the
> future of the ARRL EME contest.
>
> Creating activity is another matter. Here we can all help by using our radios
> much as we can. Contacts can be made without first spending time on the
> Internet to arrange them. And even more contacts can be made if precious
> operating time is not wasted on the Internet.

I agree 100% with these sentiments.  I also recognize, as some evidently 
do not, that a non-negligible fraction of active EME operators have 
convinced themselves that they need (or at least they prefer) to use 
internet chat rooms to arrange their EME QSOs -- even during a "contest".

So, what to do?  Go on raving about your outrage and throwing fuel on 
the fire?  Or work quietly toward finding a solution that can let both 
traditional unassisted contesters and those who want a "coordinated" 
operating event to have their own, separately allocated times?

	-- 73, Joe, K1JT


From f6dro at wanadoo.fr  Wed Feb 17 18:05:50 2010
From: f6dro at wanadoo.fr (f6dro)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:05:50 +0100
Subject: [Moon] PROGRAM NEDDS IMPROVEMENT! [sic]
References: <mailman.101.1266423332.3646.moon@moonbounce.info>
	<4B7C1EDD.90508@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <005701caaff3$74ee79e0$0400000a@f6dro4py09fun6>

Hi Joe ,

My pb is that I cannot laugth. I've been in love with 2m EME for many years 
( 1st QSO 1982) , I tried to use JT modes , but I must confess that for me 
it is really boring to watch my computer doing the work. I have not tried 
agn for many months now , as I don't find fun in it.
Probably I will still work a few ones later , but as we say in F " le coeur 
n'y est plus" ( heart is no longer there for litteral translation , which 
probably means nothing in english)

Abt the " cheaters" , they are more and more there , not only EME but MS and 
to some extents tropo and contesting as well , but some of them where 
already there and cheating when eme was CW only.

I'm now working on my microwave EME rig , and I hope contatcs will stay 
human for a longer time there , otherwise eme will be over for me. Working 
random CW QSOs on 3cm with only 1m dish THAT was real fun :0)


But if people finds fun there...No pb

73
Dom/F6DRO 





From cupido at mail.ua.pt  Wed Feb 17 18:42:29 2010
From: cupido at mail.ua.pt (Luis Cupido)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:42:29 +0000
Subject: [Moon] PROGRAM NEDDS IMPROVEMENT! [sic]
In-Reply-To: <4B7C1EDD.90508@princeton.edu>
References: <mailman.101.1266423332.3646.moon@moonbounce.info>
	<4B7C1EDD.90508@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <4B7C2A85.4090908@mail.ua.pt>

Hi Joe,
Hi Folks,


Well, It all makes sense now...

Now I/(us all) would either think:

- JT modes can't really go that random, hence the non-negligible number
of folks recognizing that and following that path.

or

- It can do random well, as Joe defend, (and I have no arguments 
whatsoever to question that) but as you suggest the poor fellows got 
addicted somehow to that Internet operating mode.


 > So, what to do?


Assuming that you're right and JT can go as random same as CW can,
and they are all wrongly convicted as you say.

I vote then for, first of all, creating the 'CEA' and start from there.


CEA= Chataolic EMErs Anonymous.


There ought to be a solution somewhere :-)

hi hi hi... :-)


Luis Cupido.
ct1dmk.


P.S. Folks....Please please.
We all owe this subject a good laugh
or isn't this an hobby.








Joe Taylor wrote:
> Wolfgang, of course, is spouting nonsense.  But he's always good for a 
> laugh.  Petros and Dominique can always be counted on to add their own 
> hilarity.  Of course it's absurd to blame a piece of software for the 
> (quite unnecessary) ways in which some people use it, but some of us 
> like a good laugh (at someone else's expense).
> 
> Peter, for once, is not raving but actually makes good sense.
> 
> SM2CEW wrote:
>> Let me quote the VUAC:
>>
>> "The VUAC concludes that allowing self-spotting and real-time
>> schedule-making in the EME contest has been a failed experiment.
>> We recommend elimination of the Assisted categories."
>>
>> They are spot on. It was a wise decision by the VUAC when considering the
>> future of the ARRL EME contest.
>>
>> Creating activity is another matter. Here we can all help by using our radios
>> much as we can. Contacts can be made without first spending time on the
>> Internet to arrange them. And even more contacts can be made if precious
>> operating time is not wasted on the Internet.
> 
> I agree 100% with these sentiments.  I also recognize, as some evidently 
> do not, that a non-negligible fraction of active EME operators have 
> convinced themselves that they need (or at least they prefer) to use 
> internet chat rooms to arrange their EME QSOs -- even during a "contest".
> 
> So, what to do?  Go on raving about your outrage and throwing fuel on 
> the fire?  Or work quietly toward finding a solution that can let both 
> traditional unassisted contesters and those who want a "coordinated" 
> operating event to have their own, separately allocated times?
> 
> 	-- 73, Joe, K1JT
> 
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From sm4ive at telia.com  Wed Feb 17 18:47:40 2010
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:47:40 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] EME Rules Survey
References: <4B7ACD0F.90102@verizon.net> <4B7ACD0F.90102@verizon.net>
	<20100217122614.1D1723B005@smtp-out-1.alltele.net>
Message-ID: <FB836777ECE440E4957D274654013FB4@RADIO>

I voted for unchanged rules as /2009 rules.

If VUAC decides to change the rules, there would only be one (1) way to do 
it. 1 Contest for digital and one for analog. I dont care if they work 
assited or use deeeeeppppp search, since i will not participate in digital 
contest.


>WB3BZT says If as many as possible sends in logs we will not lose our 
>precious bands. this is wrong! does anyone in FFC check QST for logs?

There is only 1 way of keeping  the freq  ACTIVITY makes ACTIVITY  .Many BIG 
Guns on the band makes it possible for the small ones to work,

SO ACTIVATE the BANDS  and we will have a BIGGER chans to keep them.

This was interesting reading that i found on .
http://www.ok2kkw.com/eme_contesting.htm

This shows clearly that with active BIG sigs stations on activity goes up.
This is the years i did win 432 single op ARRL    so one can see a clear 
rise in active stations and then go down again. i lost my big Dish 1997
this shows that activity is very important.

1996  281x55  (46) 143x44   (34)  73x35   (22)   Single
1995  209x47  (41) 141x37   (28)  77x32   (22)   Single
1994  324x57  (77) 166x43   (27)  71x30   (19)   Single
1993  316x54  (60) 188x44   (30)  63x31   (13)   Single
1992  331x54  (63) 174x38   (37)  48x24    (6)   Single
1991  338x54  (61) 167x43   (33)  50x22   (15)   Single
1990  292x52  (48) 146x40   (23)  36x22    (8)   Single
1989  313x51  (51) 138x40   (26)  39x21   (12)   Single
1988  300x52  (54) 122x39   (27)  16x14    (1)   Single




2004  169x67  (31)  84x36   (14)  75x41   (15)   Single
2003  250x54  (42) 106x38   (17)  82x32   (13)   Single
2002  161x45  (29)  77x32   (23)  63x29   (13)   Single
2001  226x52  (56) 106x36   (26)  85x35   (20)   Single
2000  281x58  (54) 118x38   (28)  98x35   (23)   Single
1999  320x60  (85) 118x35   (25)  75x33   (18)   Single
1998  330x55  (60) 131x40   (34)  81x36   (19)   Single
1997  308x56  (69) 137x42   (42)  72x36   (17)   Single

Contest is FUN and should be done serioues.
73 Lars SM4IVE



From sm2cew at telia.com  Wed Feb 17 18:53:58 2010
From: sm2cew at telia.com (Peter Sundberg)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:53:58 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Moving on
In-Reply-To: <4B7C1EDD.90508@princeton.edu>
References: <mailman.101.1266423332.3646.moon@moonbounce.info>
	<mailman.101.1266423332.3646.moon@moonbounce.info>
Message-ID: <20100217175407.8DD1C6314E@smtp-out-1.alltele.net>

At 16:52 2010-02-17 , Joe Taylor wrote:
>
>So, what to do?  Go on raving about your outrage and throwing fuel on 
>the fire?  Or work quietly toward finding a solution that can let both 
>traditional unassisted contesters and those who want a "coordinated" 
>operating event to have their own, separately allocated times?
>
>	-- 73, Joe, K1JT
>


This is part of what I wrote to Army and Jon when I was telling them my
opinion re the survey:

"There are obvious problems for people who are not using loggers and chats
to work other operators in the contest who ARE using internet loggers or
chat pages. When you hear  such a station on a given frequency it is almost
impossible to get his attention. Normally he will not listen for random
calls as he is busy coordinating new callers via the chat or he has found
someone elses selfspot and jumped to another frequency. I have really
tried, so I know what I am talking about. Hence the whole concept of
contesting is abused in my opinion."

So what Joe is suggesting is rather fair, separate the events if possible. 

I am sure that this would lead to a number of positive effects. First of
all, we would create more noise. Ed BZT will be happy. Secondly, operators
will be able to develop good skills without feeling stressed out because
there are things happening on the loggers while they are trying Search &
Pounce. Last but not least, we could drop the guns by the foot of the
mountain..

73 de Peter SM2CEW
http://blog.sm2cew.com









From pa3cwn at tele2.nl  Wed Feb 17 19:15:47 2010
From: pa3cwn at tele2.nl (Oene)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:15:47 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Moving on
In-Reply-To: <20100217175407.8DD1C6314E@smtp-out-1.alltele.net>
References: <mailman.101.1266423332.3646.moon@moonbounce.info>	<mailman.101.1266423332.3646.moon@moonbounce.info>
	<20100217175407.8DD1C6314E@smtp-out-1.alltele.net>
Message-ID: <4B7C3253.2000902@tele2.nl>

Good option Peter, Joe and the numereous others who have been pointing 
at this possibility
to separate the weekends in analog and digital.

-It hopefully ends the never ending story CW vs. JT where contests are 
concerned.
-It gives more stations in the analog part as there are  no digital 
contests at that moment
-It gives more stations in the digital part as there are no analog 
contests at that moment
-It gives for both legs the same kind of rules, so everyone treated in 
the same way
-Apples will be compared to apples as  well as pears compared with pears

Good luck to all of you !

73 Oene
PA3CWN






Peter Sundberg schreef:
> At 16:52 2010-02-17 , Joe Taylor wrote:
>   
>> So, what to do?  Go on raving about your outrage and throwing fuel on 
>> the fire?  Or work quietly toward finding a solution that can let both 
>> traditional unassisted contesters and those who want a "coordinated" 
>> operating event to have their own, separately allocated times?
>>
>> 	-- 73, Joe, K1JT
>>
>>     
>
>
> This is part of what I wrote to Army and Jon when I was telling them my
> opinion re the survey:
>
> "There are obvious problems for people who are not using loggers and chats
> to work other operators in the contest who ARE using internet loggers or
> chat pages. When you hear  such a station on a given frequency it is almost
> impossible to get his attention. Normally he will not listen for random
> calls as he is busy coordinating new callers via the chat or he has found
> someone elses selfspot and jumped to another frequency. I have really
> tried, so I know what I am talking about. Hence the whole concept of
> contesting is abused in my opinion."
>
> So what Joe is suggesting is rather fair, separate the events if possible. 
>
> I am sure that this would lead to a number of positive effects. First of
> all, we would create more noise. Ed BZT will be happy. Secondly, operators
> will be able to develop good skills without feeling stressed out because
> there are things happening on the loggers while they are trying Search &
> Pounce. Last but not least, we could drop the guns by the foot of the
> mountain..
>
> 73 de Peter SM2CEW
> http://blog.sm2cew.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From k7xq at elite.net  Thu Feb 18 00:54:25 2010
From: k7xq at elite.net (K7XQ)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:54:25 -0800
Subject: [Moon] PROGRAM NEDDS IMPROVEMENT! [sic]
In-Reply-To: <005701caaff3$74ee79e0$0400000a@f6dro4py09fun6>
Message-ID: <000f01cab02c$895fb180$6601a8c0@K7XQH>

Hello Dom,
I just want to make a point that "cheating" is not limited to non-cw
modes but also on CW. I clearly
remember back in 1999 and there after before Jt-65 was invented about
the time I entered EME for the first time several 
stations sending me "RRR" to me when I was still sending just callsigns
trying to force a QSO completion.
These were back in the EME days when deep search was solely located in
the human brain.  These 
QSO's were "scheduled based", not random so the station on the other end
already knew the frequency, 
sequence and call on the other end. I thought I would add that bit of
reflection I had reading about 
all this controversy.

73,


K7XQ Jeff




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From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]
On Behalf Of f6dro
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:06 AM
To: Joe Taylor; moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: Re: [Moon] PROGRAM NEDDS IMPROVEMENT! [sic]


Hi Joe ,

My pb is that I cannot laugth. I've been in love with 2m EME for many
years 
( 1st QSO 1982) , I tried to use JT modes , but I must confess that for
me 
it is really boring to watch my computer doing the work. I have not
tried 
agn for many months now , as I don't find fun in it.
Probably I will still work a few ones later , but as we say in F " le
coeur 
n'y est plus" ( heart is no longer there for litteral translation ,
which 
probably means nothing in english)

Abt the " cheaters" , they are more and more there , not only EME but MS
and 
to some extents tropo and contesting as well , but some of them where 
already there and cheating when eme was CW only.

I'm now working on my microwave EME rig , and I hope contatcs will stay 
human for a longer time there , otherwise eme will be over for me.
Working 
random CW QSOs on 3cm with only 1m dish THAT was real fun :0)


But if people finds fun there...No pb

73
Dom/F6DRO 




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From sm4ive at telia.com  Thu Feb 18 06:24:08 2010
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:24:08 +0100
Subject: [Moon] PROGRAM NEDDS IMPROVEMENT! [sic]
References: <000f01cab02c$895fb180$6601a8c0@K7XQH>
Message-ID: <ACA686F00490466AAAD13A08E602B63E@RADIO>

Jeff
So how did the QSO go on? did you coutiniue untill all was recived correct?
You dident think about the possibilty that your qso partner startded with 
sending RRRR like a way to confirm that he hears you. Yes i know thats wrong 
but there are SO many unskilled EME op out there thats not are familiare 
with how to operate.
I could give you hundreds of ways, of strange QSOs that i heard on the band.

As i said in an earlier mail I dont care if they only use Deep serch on the 
harddrive and internet as long as the Contest are separated.
Im a Radioamateur not a harddisk amateur.

//Lars SM4IVE




ARRL From: "K7XQ" <k7xq at elite.net>
To: "'f6dro'" <f6dro at wanadoo.fr>; "'Joe Taylor'" <joe at Princeton.EDU>; 
<moon at moonbounce.info>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Moon] PROGRAM NEDDS IMPROVEMENT! [sic]


> Hello Dom,
> I just want to make a point that "cheating" is not limited to non-cw
> modes but also on CW. I clearly
> remember back in 1999 and there after before Jt-65 was invented about
> the time I entered EME for the first time several
> stations sending me "RRR" to me when I was still sending just callsigns
> trying to force a QSO completion.
> These were back in the EME days when deep search was solely located in
> the human brain.  These
> QSO's were "scheduled based", not random so the station on the other end
> already knew the frequency,
> sequence and call on the other end. I thought I would add that bit of
> reflection I had reading about
> all this controversy.
>
> 73,
>
>
> K7XQ Jeff
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]
> On Behalf Of f6dro
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:06 AM
> To: Joe Taylor; moon at moonbounce.info
> Subject: Re: [Moon] PROGRAM NEDDS IMPROVEMENT! [sic]
>
>
> Hi Joe ,
>
> My pb is that I cannot laugth. I've been in love with 2m EME for many
> years
> ( 1st QSO 1982) , I tried to use JT modes , but I must confess that for
> me
> it is really boring to watch my computer doing the work. I have not
> tried
> agn for many months now , as I don't find fun in it.
> Probably I will still work a few ones later , but as we say in F " le
> coeur
> n'y est plus" ( heart is no longer there for litteral translation ,
> which
> probably means nothing in english)
>
> Abt the " cheaters" , they are more and more there , not only EME but MS
> and
> to some extents tropo and contesting as well , but some of them where
> already there and cheating when eme was CW only.
>
> I'm now working on my microwave EME rig , and I hope contatcs will stay
> human for a longer time there , otherwise eme will be over for me.
> Working
> random CW QSOs on 3cm with only 1m dish THAT was real fun :0)
>
>
> But if people finds fun there...No pb
>
> 73
> Dom/F6DRO
>
>
>
>
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From sm2cew at telia.com  Fri Feb 19 18:17:12 2010
From: sm2cew at telia.com (Peter Sundberg)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:17:12 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Dubus 2m CW EME Event + 70cm ATP
Message-ID: <20100219171721.80969A047@smtp-out-1.alltele.net>

Moonbouncers, 

It is time again for the Dubus 2m CW EME events:

20 February 0900-1200 GMT
20 February 1700-2000 GMT

As usual, random frequencies between 144.040-144.060.

Hope to see some good activity and good conditions this time. In January
conditions were "-6db" from normal, at least..  

And for those of us who are also QRV on 432 the CW EME activity periods are
scheduled:

February 20  20.00-22.00 GMT
February 21  10.00-12.00 GMT 

Frequencies 432.005-432.030.


See you for some EME fun this weekend!

73 de Peter SM2CEW
www.sm2cew.com








 




From frankddr at tele2.it  Fri Feb 19 18:46:48 2010
From: frankddr at tele2.it (Francesco)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:46:48 +0100
Subject: [Moon] R:  Dubus 2m CW EME Event + 70cm ATP
In-Reply-To: <20100219171721.80969A047@smtp-out-1.alltele.net>
Message-ID: <KGEJLGJNCALKFOLILMEKGEHKCAAA.frankddr@tele2.it>

Hello Peter and all,
unfortunately i should not be active on coming Dubus 2m CW EME events, due a
little problem on my P.A.
A stupid resistor on the directional coupler (power readout meter), is
broken and i'm waiting the new resistor,
that should come via mail. For this resistor, i have disassembled the RF
part and opened the RF deck.
In anycase i will be with you with my mind and my heart. I wish to all lot
of good contacts and good conditions.
See you again.

73' ( --...  ...--)

Francesco,IK2DDR

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info
[mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]Per conto di Peter Sundberg
Inviato: venerdi 19 febbraio 2010 18.17
A: moon at moonbounce.info
Oggetto: [Moon] Dubus 2m CW EME Event + 70cm ATP


Moonbouncers,

It is time again for the Dubus 2m CW EME events:

20 February 0900-1200 GMT
20 February 1700-2000 GMT

As usual, random frequencies between 144.040-144.060.

Hope to see some good activity and good conditions this time. In January
conditions were "-6db" from normal, at least..

And for those of us who are also QRV on 432 the CW EME activity periods are
scheduled:

February 20  20.00-22.00 GMT
February 21  10.00-12.00 GMT

Frequencies 432.005-432.030.


See you for some EME fun this weekend!

73 de Peter SM2CEW
www.sm2cew.com












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From oaxaca at oregoncoast.com  Sat Feb 20 01:01:00 2010
From: oaxaca at oregoncoast.com (TdM LABs)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 00:01:00 +0000
Subject: [Moon] 144Mcs CN72 this pass
In-Reply-To: <20100219171721.80969A047@smtp-out-1.alltele.net>
References: <20100219171721.80969A047@smtp-out-1.alltele.net>
Message-ID: <4B7F263C.8060709@oregoncoast.com>

Aloha to all:

I am portable tonight at the CN72 property.

144.122 always second.

Jeremy
www.w7eme.org














From sm4ive at telia.com  Sat Feb 20 10:14:18 2010
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:14:18 +0100
Subject: [Moon] EME 432
Message-ID: <060FF5C63E0B4CAD86D9B31827D90D89@RADIO>

Hi 
SM4IVE  will not be QRV this weekend due to SNOW STORM   heavy winds and lots of snow.

73 de Lars SM4IVE
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From sv3aaf at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 20 12:49:34 2010
From: sv3aaf at yahoo.com (SV3AAF Petros)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 03:49:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Moon] EME 432
In-Reply-To: <060FF5C63E0B4CAD86D9B31827D90D89@RADIO>
Message-ID: <370168.67372.qm@web59104.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Well.... a storm is a storm, and we are having sandstorm here
So for the rest of you:

?enjoy your activity weekend!

73 Petros

--- On Sat, 2/20/10, Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com> wrote:

From: Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>
Subject: [Moon] EME 432
To: moon at moonbounce.info.
Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 11:14 AM



 
 

Hi 
SM4IVE? will not be QRV this weekend due to 
SNOW STORM?? heavy winds and lots of snow.
?
73 de Lars SM4IVE
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From vestergaard at os.dk  Mon Feb 22 10:18:38 2010
From: vestergaard at os.dk (Vestergaard)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:18:38 +0100
Subject: [Moon] OZ4MM activity
Message-ID: <000d01cab3a0$0e6e0130$2b4a0390$@dk>

 

 

 

OZ4MM was mainly QRV on 432MHz in the two ATP windows this weekend.  I found
quite good activity and conditions on Saturday afternoon, but most signals
was worked in Vertikal pol here.  Stations worked Saturday:  LZ1DX, K3MF,
W8TXT, K7XQ, DG1KJG, G4RGK, I1NDP, SM2CEW, N4GJV, WB7QBS(#325), K2UYH   and
Sunday OK1POI, I1NDP, F6APS(#326), OZ6OL and 9H1TX.

 

Spent also very little time on 1296 and worked LA9NEA, PA3DZL, DF3RU and
DF3RU.

 

All stations worked on CW.

 

On 432 heard Hermann FY/DL2NUD very well then he was  on JT, but couldn't
get him to try CW.  Same with UN7GK who had a great signal on 1296, but also
he was only operating JT mode.  Both stations would have been easy on CW and
could have been worked by many others !.

 

Plan to be back next weekend if weather permit, so if any interested in a
CW/SSB sked, please let me know.

 

CU

 

Stig, OZ4MM

 

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From k7xq at elite.net  Tue Feb 23 09:06:11 2010
From: k7xq at elite.net (K7XQ)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:06:11 -0800
Subject: [Moon] K7XQ activity report
Message-ID: <000001cab45f$10781b40$6601a8c0@K7XQH>

Hello all,
 Got on this weekend and worked the following:

50 EME: S57RR# JT.
432 EME: OZ4MM CW.
1296 EME: DF3RU# JT , PA3FXB JT, K8EB JT.

Had some storm damage to the 432 array so had problem tracking the moon
Saturday during
the activity period. 

Have the SDR-IQ working quite nicely now. Can monitor entire 1296
bandscope ( 1296.005 - 1296.080 ) while operating on 
432 so can check real-time activity. The SDR-IQ and Winrad combo is far
superior to the Flex 1000. At least
for RX only which is all I use it for anyway.

I will be QRV next weekend and am also available for JT or CW skeds on
any band 50,144,432,1296,2304.

73,

K7XQ Jeff
Atwater,CA. CM97qi
K7XQ logbook and webpage:   http://www.elite.net/~k7xq/k7xq.html





From jewell at btinternet.com  Tue Feb 23 11:35:47 2010
From: jewell at btinternet.com (SAM JEWELL)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:35:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Moon] EME coverage
Message-ID: <740376.13878.qm@web87002.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

This is aimed mainly at UK moonbouncers, but I am happy to take input from elsewhere, of course!

You may be aware that coverage of 23cm EME in RSGB Radcom has for the last 21 years been in the VHF/UHF column under the late Norman Fitch, G3FPK. This is for historic reasons.  For the last 6 years all EME coverage above 23cm has been in my GHz bands column.  I asked the RSGB Radcom editor if I could take 23cm EME reporting back into the Microwave column, where it rightly belongs. I have been told that this is OK. I'm not convinced this was ever an issue for anyone but the columnists!

Can you now please send me your 23cm (and above) EME reports, please? I have tried to broaden the appeal of the GHzBands column beyond the days of Gunn oscillators and mustard tins (!), I see the inclusion of Microwave EME activities very much as part of this.

I will be including the 10th and final part of my 'Getting Started in EME' series in my column in the June column. If there is sufficient interest, I will run more articles on EME in  later columns (after a suitable break). It seems appropriate to start the 23cm EME coverage after June, unless there is some pressing news. I don't want to overdo the EME coverage!

From the comments I receive back at club talks and other events across the UK, it sounds like amateurs,  with mainly HF/VHF  terrestrial interests,  do read and take-in some of the content in the GHz Bands column and about EME in particular.

Thanks for your time.


73 de Sam, G4DDK
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From eric.vanoffelen at skynet.be  Tue Feb 23 15:38:28 2010
From: eric.vanoffelen at skynet.be (Eric Van Offelen)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:38:28 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ON5TA - 3 cm
Message-ID: <EB476405EB2F4DB3BD1DE6D9BDA76279@erice5fea1e11a>

Hi all

It seems we'll have good conditions the next week-end !
If someone wants to test on 3 cm, I will regularly check e-mail and HB9Q logger
 
VY 73
Eric
ON5TA
 
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From df6na at df6na.de  Thu Feb 25 10:21:41 2010
From: df6na at df6na.de (Rainer)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:21:41 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Fwd: Re: [Moon-net] Arecibo > minimum requirements]
Message-ID: <4B864125.1000501@df6na.de>

Do we really need FM to spoil the narrowband segment ???
and waste the short time Arecibo can work with nonsense?
Anyone can work them in SSB/CW - no other mode is needed.

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From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp  Fri Feb 26 09:15:23 2010
From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:15:23 +0900
Subject: [Moon] 8J1AXA Feb. 27-28
Message-ID: <20100226081523337.PHZT.8219.wememta101.odn.ne.jp@mta101.odn.ne.jp>

Hi all,  

 8J1AXA will operate 23cm mainly SSB for the contest and CW.  
This time many (over 15) ops will join.  PSE call and enjoy 
QSO with EME new-comers.  NO logger/internet use during the 
contest operation.  

  Unfortunately the electricity inspection will be held during the 
day-time of 27, and hopefully it will be finished before 4pm, 
well before the moon-rise.    
  Second moon path operation is still unknown.  So work first!! 

Mike  JH1KRC  




From zen70432 at zen.co.uk  Fri Feb 26 09:49:09 2010
From: zen70432 at zen.co.uk (Dave G4RGK)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:49:09 +0000
Subject: [Moon] 1296 MHz SSB Contest
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20100226084742.03f5ce20@mail.btinternet.com>


1296 EME SSB CONTEST RULES: This event is intended to be fun. You do not 
need to transmit on SSB to participate. CW to SSB and vice verse exchanges 
are encouraged and count for points. (Only one QSO between stations is 
allowed, i.e., you cannot work a station SSB to SSB and SSB to CW for extra 
points).

The contest starts on Friday 26 Feb (Friday Z) at 2000 and end on 27 Feb at 
2000. Everyone one should have one common moon pass with operation moving 
from EU to NA, to NA to Asia/VK, and to Asai/VK to EU. Operation is on 23 
cm only. Scoring is contact points times number of two letter Grid Sectors 
(IO, JM, FN, EM ...) worked. SSB to SSB contacts count as 2 points. SSB to 
CW (or CW to SSB) count as 1 point. The exchange is your Sector (IO, JM, 
etc.). Only the 2 sector letters need to be sent and copied by EME. The 
exchange of signal reports and/or 4 character grids is optional and not 
required. Operation may be by single or multiple operators from one 
location. No distinction for scoring will be made. Assisted operation is 
not encouraged. All skeds/operational announcements should be made prior to 
the start of the contest.

Logs should be sent to the "432 and Up EME NL" by email to 
a.katz(x)ieee.org ASAP after the end of the contest.

The top scoring station will receive an attractively framed certificate 
that will be presented at the next International EME Conference (Dallas 2010).




From jewell at btinternet.com  Fri Feb 26 11:03:19 2010
From: jewell at btinternet.com (Sam)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:03:19 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Moon] 1296 MHz SSB Contest
Message-ID: <236142.88772.qm@web87015.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Folks,
Having said I would start to include 23cm EME reports in my column from June, I think that the SSB contest is too good an opportunity to miss. I would appreciate any reports on your activities and results as soon after the weekend as possible, please, for inclusion in the May ( out April) issue.

Good luck to everyone taking part.

73 de Sam, G4DDK
RSGB Radcom 'GHz Bands' columnist












 

On 26 Feb 2010, at 08:49, Dave G4RGK <zen70432 at zen.co.uk> wrote:


1296 EME SSB CONTEST RULES: This event is intended to be fun. You do not 
need to transmit on SSB to participate. CW to SSB and vice verse exchanges 
are encouraged and count for points. (Only one QSO between stations is 
allowed, i.e., you cannot work a station SSB to SSB and SSB to CW for extra 
points).

The contest starts on Friday 26 Feb (Friday Z) at 2000 and end on 27 Feb at 
2000. Everyone one should have one common moon pass with operation moving 
from EU to NA, to NA to Asia/VK, and to Asai/VK to EU. Operation is on 23 
cm only. Scoring is contact points times number of two letter Grid Sectors 
(IO, JM, FN, EM ...) worked. SSB to SSB contacts count as 2 points. SSB to 
CW (or CW to SSB) count as 1 point. The exchange is your Sector (IO, JM, 
etc.). Only the 2 sector letters need to be sent and copied by EME. The 
exchange of signal reports and/or 4 character grids is optional and not 
required. Operation may be by single or multiple operators from one 
location. No distinction for scoring will be made. Assisted operation is 
not encouraged. All skeds/operational announcements should be made prior to 
the start of the contest.

Logs should be sent to the "432 and Up EME NL" by email to 
a.katz(x)ieee.org ASAP after the end of the contest.

The top scoring station will receive an attractively framed certificate 
that will be presented at the next International EME Conference (Dallas 2010).



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From sm4ive at telia.com  Fri Feb 26 16:34:05 2010
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:34:05 +0100
Subject: [Moon] SM4IVE QRV 432
Message-ID: <CCFF51648B6141FB92E2EF2B37D20B19@RADIO>

So finaly im back on the EME business again, New Gear box andThanks to Peter SM2CEW who sent me a Super DC engine im back on track. Ant are tracking the moon right now and i will be QRV later tonight.

Thanks Peter SM2CEW  for motor and Thanks SM4DHN for making the axel to the gearbox.

73 de Lars SM4IVE
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From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Sat Feb 27 11:43:50 2010
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:43:50 +0100
Subject: [Moon] 1296 MHz SSB Contest
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20100226084742.03f5ce20@mail.btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <JAEELMKIFCBHOBHEEHMBKEAOCKAA.ok1dfc@seznam.cz>

Hi guys, I am back from long trip. I will be QRV whole window from Saturday
to Sunday this weekend. If anybody want to try QSO, I am on. WX looks that
will be possible work without problem. Yesterday evening we had bad wind
here. Looking forward to work many of you.
Regards

Zdenek - OK1DFC
www.ok1dfc.com <http://www.ok1dfc.com>
QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz
WAC 432 - 1296 MHz
QRO 10m dish
ICQ-397994501


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From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On
Behalf Of Dave G4RGK
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:49 AM
To: moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: [Moon] 1296 MHz SSB Contest



1296 EME SSB CONTEST RULES: This event is intended to be fun. You do not
need to transmit on SSB to participate. CW to SSB and vice verse exchanges
are encouraged and count for points. (Only one QSO between stations is
allowed, i.e., you cannot work a station SSB to SSB and SSB to CW for extra
points).

The contest starts on Friday 26 Feb (Friday Z) at 2000 and end on 27 Feb at
2000. Everyone one should have one common moon pass with operation moving
from EU to NA, to NA to Asia/VK, and to Asai/VK to EU. Operation is on 23
cm only. Scoring is contact points times number of two letter Grid Sectors
(IO, JM, FN, EM ...) worked. SSB to SSB contacts count as 2 points. SSB to
CW (or CW to SSB) count as 1 point. The exchange is your Sector (IO, JM,
etc.). Only the 2 sector letters need to be sent and copied by EME. The
exchange of signal reports and/or 4 character grids is optional and not
required. Operation may be by single or multiple operators from one
location. No distinction for scoring will be made. Assisted operation is
not encouraged. All skeds/operational announcements should be made prior to
the start of the contest.

Logs should be sent to the "432 and Up EME NL" by email to
a.katz(x)ieee.org ASAP after the end of the contest.

The top scoring station will receive an attractively framed certificate
that will be presented at the next International EME Conference (Dallas
2010).



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From oz1hne at post8.tele.dk  Sat Feb 27 14:00:43 2010
From: oz1hne at post8.tele.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgen_Kristiansen?=)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:00:43 +0100
Subject: [Moon] OZ1HNE QRV 144MHz CW EME,
Message-ID: <D8.19.12385.D77198B4@fep42.mail.dk>

Hi EME'ers,

 

I will be QRV on 144MHz CW EME this evening calling CQ. If any

stations would like to try a sked, please drop me a mail.

 

I was QRV last evening and found very good conditions, so I hope

the same for tonight.

 

Good luck to all.

 

Best 73, OZ1HNE Jorgen.

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From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Sun Feb 28 11:08:01 2010
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:08:01 +0100
Subject: [Moon] eme weekend
In-Reply-To: <507cd.18710b.38bac05d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <JAEELMKIFCBHOBHEEHMBIEBDCKAA.ok1dfc@seznam.cz>

Hi EME gang,
I was QRV after long time again on 23cm and observed very nice activity weekend night. I have worked two new # initials on CW and 3 on JT65 and extended score to #269 on CW and #87 on JT. Worked: 
OK2DL #268, RW3BP, UA3PTW, SP6JLW, LZ2US, 8J1AXA, SP7DCS, DL6SH, VK5MC, SV3AAF, OZ4MM, G4CCH, OK2DL CW, SM4DHN, DF3RU, OZ6OL, ES5PC, PA3FXB, G4RGK, OK3RM, UT2EG #269, all stations SSB in the second SSB contest widow. I had problem on Friday with strong wind and was not able operate my dish. Than I follow up with SP7DCS, UT2EG, LZ1DX, G4CCH, IK5QLO, PY2BS, VE3KRP, K8EB all stations CW, and JT65C UT2EG #85, DF3RL #86, W3HMS, N6RMJ #87, Pat N6RMJ has only 4x55el and 50W RF set up, worked him during his Moonrise with -24dB speaker copy signal, K8EB, VE7BBG, LU1CGB, OK3RM, K7XQ

OK2DL is new active OK station, 6m dish and 300W SSPA. Marek was very loud 569 - 579 on CW. His web is here http://ok2dl.blogspot.com/ 



So thanks to all for nice QSO and looking forward for next EME window.


Zdenek - OK1DFC
www.ok1dfc.com
QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz
WAC 432 - 1296 MHz
QRO 10m dish
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From nw_ebw at MMMonVHF.de  Sun Feb 28 11:40:07 2010
From: nw_ebw at MMMonVHF.de (nw_ebw at MMMonVHF.de)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:40:07 +0100
Subject: [Moon] EME Expedition
Message-ID: <4B8A4807.2020300@MMMonVHF.de>

hi EME friends...


several very nice EME expeditions take part those
days (FY, 3A ...) and some are on the plan next
weeks as well (8Q, HS0, EA8 ...) - keep an eye on:

http://www.mmmonvhf.de/latest.php


  Mit freundlichem Gru? / best regards


    73 de  Guy (Guido)  D L 8 E B W
    QTH:  JO31NF / DL66a   MMMonVHF
    VHF-DX: MS & EME in WSJT & HSCW

     Member of the Team of MMMonVHF
         http://www.MMMonVHF.de

We do spread weekly VHF-DX-Newsletter
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