From ok1dfc at seznam.cz Sat Aug 1 09:02:05 2009 From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 09:02:05 +0200 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] 10 GHz EME In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks to Sam G4DDK is problem fixed with his envelope which included driver. BIG Thanks to Sam and all others who send info how to do or where to buy. Moon net is really great thing to find right solution. Best regards to all. Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 -----Original Message----- From: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net]On Behalf Of OK1DFC Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:01 PM To: Moon-Bounces; Moon Net Subject: [Moon-net] 10 GHz EME Hi EME gang, I am now preparing my new band for EME to EME MW ARRL contest and expecting also for next EME pedition. My transvertor is already perfect working and giving 50mW out. VLNA has N/F 0,6dB by DB6NT. As a last stage I will use SSPA DL2AM which is giving easy 33W out, but between TRV and SSPA I am looking for any amplifier which can give around 1,5W out with 50mW driving. If anybody has info or similar stage available for sale or as a kit let me know please. Thanks and hope to be QRV on 10 GHz soon. Regards Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 432-1296-2320-3400 MHz WAC 432 - 1296 MHz QRO 10m dish ICQ-397994501 _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html From jimmyv at hol.gr Sat Aug 1 20:27:12 2009 From: jimmyv at hol.gr (Dimitris Vitorakis) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:27:12 +0300 Subject: [Moon] Dish & structure destroyed References: Message-ID: Hi all It is with great sadness and regret to share that today i lost my 5m new dish (almost half of it). and whole of steel structures (except tower) completely destroyed. Az. motor survived, elevation bended but motor still working. Feed structure, legs, interfaces damaged. After fixing all mechanical tolerances on the system had been completed successfully, started to lift trolley up. 2m higher, trolley guy wire was cut like butter and whole system collapsed to the ground within 1 sec. Luckily, minor injuries. 200kg counterweights passed from the head a few cm away. That was my last available weekend before qrl shortly sends me abroad again non-stop, and after a lot of effort & work, this happened now. Last night my 13cm IF transceiver went into smoke too and was repairing until 3am due to a short circuit. I will find solution to come back to 23cm/13cm. Not only this personal misfortune does not stop me, but i am now heading more wisely / safely to the 18th eme antenna structure in Fall. I plan to salvage the dish if proven possible, rest to be remade from scratch. 73 & Never lose faith - afterall this is the challenge of Moonbounce work - , Jimmy SV1BTR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090801/0e7736b1/attachment.htm From k6pf at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 2 06:36:17 2009 From: k6pf at sbcglobal.net (Bob Kocisko) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:36:17 -0700 Subject: [Moon] Dish & structure destroyed References: Message-ID: <001c01ca132a$c6aa6390$6401a8c0@Office> Jimmy, I'm so sorry to hear about the damage done to your dish but very glad no one was hurt. Based on your determination & drive, I know you'll come back stronger than ever. All the best to you & vy 73, Bob, K6PF ----- Original Message ----- From: Dimitris Vitorakis To: Moon-Bounces Cc: K1rqg at aol.com ; K2UYH Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 11:27 AM Subject: [Moon] Dish & structure destroyed Hi all It is with great sadness and regret to share that today i lost my 5m new dish (almost half of it). and whole of steel structures (except tower) completely destroyed. Az. motor survived, elevation bended but motor still working. Feed structure, legs, interfaces damaged. After fixing all mechanical tolerances on the system had been completed successfully, started to lift trolley up. 2m higher, trolley guy wire was cut like butter and whole system collapsed to the ground within 1 sec. Luckily, minor injuries. 200kg counterweights passed from the head a few cm away. That was my last available weekend before qrl shortly sends me abroad again non-stop, and after a lot of effort & work, this happened now. Last night my 13cm IF transceiver went into smoke too and was repairing until 3am due to a short circuit. I will find solution to come back to 23cm/13cm. Not only this personal misfortune does not stop me, but i am now heading more wisely / safely to the 18th eme antenna structure in Fall. I plan to salvage the dish if proven possible, rest to be remade from scratch. 73 & Never lose faith - afterall this is the challenge of Moonbounce work - , Jimmy SV1BTR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090801/be9dc1e6/attachment.htm From frankddr at tele2.it Sun Aug 2 08:34:47 2009 From: frankddr at tele2.it (Franco) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:34:47 +0200 Subject: [Moon] R: Dish & structure destroyed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Jimmy, i'm very sad, reading your last news, because i know your efforts and limited time due your work. I know you are a very strong Ham Radio and i'm sure that you could restart again with your SHF antenna. Look the good point of view Jimmy: you have not had personal injuries, because as i understood, the risk was very high. You have all my personal support Jimmy and like me, i'm sure the same for most of our friends in the eme family. Let us know. 73' Francesco,IK2DDR -----Messaggio originale----- Da: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]Per conto di Dimitris Vitorakis Inviato: sabato 1 agosto 2009 20.27 A: Moon-Bounces Cc: K1rqg at aol.com; K2UYH Oggetto: [Moon] Dish & structure destroyed Hi all It is with great sadness and regret to share that today i lost my 5m new dish (almost half of it). and whole of steel structures (except tower) completely destroyed. Az. motor survived, elevation bended but motor still working. Feed structure, legs, interfaces damaged. After fixing all mechanical tolerances on the system had been completed successfully, started to lift trolley up. 2m higher, trolley guy wire was cut like butter and whole system collapsed to the ground within 1 sec. Luckily, minor injuries. 200kg counterweights passed from the head a few cm away. That was my last available weekend before qrl shortly sends me abroad again non-stop, and after a lot of effort & work, this happened now. Last night my 13cm IF transceiver went into smoke too and was repairing until 3am due to a short circuit. I will find solution to come back to 23cm/13cm. Not only this personal misfortune does not stop me, but i am now heading more wisely / safely to the 18th eme antenna structure in Fall. I plan to salvage the dish if proven possible, rest to be remade from scratch. 73 & Never lose faith - afterall this is the challenge of Moonbounce work - , Jimmy SV1BTR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090802/b49cdd15/attachment.htm From ingolf.fhz at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 08:42:51 2009 From: ingolf.fhz at gmail.com (Ingolf, SM6FHZ) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:42:51 +0200 Subject: [Moon] Dish & structure destroyed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jimmy, I am very sorry to hear about your accident. Good that no one were hurt. It sounds really nasty with all that weight coming down. I heard you on 23 cm on July 18th, with a very good signal, working SM4DHN. I did not find you on the band after that. I was looking forward to work you. I am sure you can get the strength back and restore the 23/13 cm EME system. I wish you all the luck in that work. 23 cm EME is worth the work! 73 / Ingolf, SM6FHZ 2009/8/1, Dimitris Vitorakis : > > Hi all > > It is with great sadness and regret to share that today i lost my 5m new > dish (almost half of it). and whole of steel structures (except tower) > completely destroyed. Az. motor survived, elevation bended but motor still > working. Feed structure, legs, interfaces damaged. > After fixing all mechanical tolerances on the system had been completed > successfully, started to lift trolley up. 2m higher, trolley guy wire was > cut like butter and whole system collapsed to the ground within 1 sec. Luckily, > minor injuries. 200kg counterweights passed from the head a few cm away. > > That was my last available weekend before qrl shortly sends me abroad again > non-stop, and after a lot of effort & work, this happened now. Last night my > 13cm IF transceiver went into smoke too and was repairing until 3am due to > a short circuit. > > I will find solution to come back to 23cm/13cm. Not only this personal > misfortune does not stop me, but i am now heading more wisely / safely to > the 18th eme antenna structure in Fall. I plan to salvage the dish if proven > possible, rest to be remade from scratch. > > 73 & Never lose faith - afterall this is the challenge of Moonbounce work - > , > Jimmy SV1BTR > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and > remove you from the list > -- Ingolf, SM6FHZ http://www.2ingandlin.se/SM6FHZ.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Watanabe" Subject: UNITEC-1 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 2:30:53 +0900 Size: 978101 Url: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090802/35771d71/attachment-0001.eml From dl8laq at sh-home.de Sun Aug 2 22:32:24 2009 From: dl8laq at sh-home.de (Norbert Goettsche) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:32:24 +0200 Subject: [Moon] SK6OSO In-Reply-To: <9C85195915B44FBF89D4015DC72ABDC8@PSAB2007> References: <9C85195915B44FBF89D4015DC72ABDC8@PSAB2007> Message-ID: <5F0E622B-DB8A-4D12-B5A2-C4DAC6D98571@sh-home.de> Hi Ben, thanks for the beautiful video. This gives a good impression of your work. 73, Norbert Am 02.08.2009 um 11:05 schrieb SM6CKU: > Hello folks > > I have placed a 7 min video of our activities on 23cm July 18/19 on > YouTube. It is not a masterpiece but I hope it will give you a good > picture what we were up to. > > Enjoy www.youtube.com/turistkanalen > > 73 de Ben > www.sm6cku.se -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090802/5b1cd304/attachment.htm From k6pf at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 3 04:28:53 2009 From: k6pf at sbcglobal.net (Bob Kocisko) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:28:53 -0700 Subject: [Moon] SK6OSO References: <9C85195915B44FBF89D4015DC72ABDC8@PSAB2007> Message-ID: <003701ca13e2$25564d70$6401a8c0@Office> Tnx Ben for your vy nice video. Very impressive. I was visiting my gud friend John, W7BBM, & listened to some 23cm SSB activity abt 4 yrs ago. Sounded like 20meters. Of course his 30 ft dish helped, hi, hi. One of these days, I'll get off 2m cw EME & move up to 23cm. VY 73, Bob, K6PF ----- Original Message ----- From: SM6CKU To: freetalk moonnet Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:05 AM Subject: [Moon] SK6OSO Hello folks I have placed a 7 min video of our activities on 23cm July 18/19 on YouTube. It is not a masterpiece but I hope it will give you a good picture what we were up to. Enjoy www.youtube.com/turistkanalen 73 de Ben www.sm6cku.se ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090802/ff5e0a04/attachment.htm From i5wbe at i5wbe.it Mon Aug 3 14:47:16 2009 From: i5wbe at i5wbe.it (Enrico Baldacci) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:47:16 +0000 Subject: [Moon] IV Italian EME Contest Digi-mode.doc Message-ID: <4A76DC54.7040402@i5wbe.it> Hello Emer's these are the final results of IV Italian.EME A.R.I. Contest (Digi-Mode) 2009 Vy 73' de Enrico i5wbe ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *IV** Italian EME A.R.I. Contest (Digi - Mode) 2009 * *_Results _*__ __*_144 MHz_** # QSO Italians Points Antenna* * Category A) * *1) RA3WDK** * 18 3 243 1 x 13 el. DL6WU, 3.5WL. 2) LY2SA 12 1 141 1 x 16 el KLM 4.08WL . 3) VK4CDI 6 1 81 4 x 12 el.K1FO . 4) RN6DJ 3 1 51 1 x 11 el. 3 WL . *Category B)* *1) JM1GSH** * 40 5 505 4 x 11 el. 2.4WL each, vertical 2) OH2LHE 34 6 466 4 x 2.4WL . 3) UK/DL9LBH 27 5 375 2 x 11el: Flex, 4.91mt.each. 4) SP2NJI 22 4 304 4 x 8 el. DCS(3.8 mt each) . 5) DL7HR 11 6 236 4 x 7 el. . 6) JS3CTQ 16 3 223 4 x 11 el. 7) DL7UDA 11 2 152 2 x 10 el. DK7ZB . 8) EA3XU 2 1 41 2 x Yagi (down 10 WL) *Category C D E )* *1) RK3FG* 121 11 1441 4 x 15 el. ( 19.68 WL ) . 2) RX1AS 92 9 1109 4 x 20 el. 3) UA3PTW 83 8 998 6 x 15 el. (3.41WL each) 4) RN6BL 74 8 908 4 x 11el. 5) RA0FW 76 6 886 4 x 15 el. (9.66 mt each) 6) PI9CAM 56 8 808 25 mt. Dish . 7) EA5CJ 55 7 697 4 x 5 WL. EA6VQ 49 7 637 control log on request 8 x 2M5WL. 8) OH3KLJ 40 8 568 4 x 10 el (DK7ZB, 2.87WL each). VK2KU 20 3 263 control log on request 9) JE1TNL 12 1 141 4 x 2.9WL . *Cross antenna* *Category C)* *1) K1JT* 82 6 946 4 x 2MXP28 . 2) OM3BC 55 8 718 4 x 32jxx2 cross Yagi . *Category E)* *1) RU1AA** * 128 11 1511 4 x 15el. cross Yagi . *_432 MHz._** #QSO Italians Points Antenna__* *Category A, B)* *1) OK2POI** * 5 1 71 4 x 12el. (13.2 WL total). 2) EA3XU 4 1 61 2 x 20 el. 3) OH3KLJ 3 1 51 4 x 17el. (DK7ZB, 5.83WL each ). 4) DL7UDA 2 1 41 4 x 21 DK7ZB . 5) JS3CTQ 2 - 20 2 x 7.4 WL . *Category D)* * 1) PI9CAM** * 9 1 111 25 mt. Dish . *_1296 MHz_* * 1) PY2BS** * 21 - 210 4 mt. Dish . 2) RD3DA 18 1 201 3.7 mt. Dish . 3) PI9CAM 11 - 110 25 mt. Dish . 4) OK1KIR 8 - 80 Dish.. 5) UT3LL 5 - 50 3 mt. Dish 6) RD3YA 4 - 40 Dish 6) VA7MM 4 - 40 3 mt. Dish . 6) VK4CDI 4 - 40 3.6 mt. Dish . 9) EA3XU 3 - 30 8 Yagi BB2 9) PA3FXB 3 - 30 3 mt, Dish . 11) JH0TOG 1 - 10 2.3mt. Dish . 11) RA3IS 1 - 10 2 mt. Dish . RK3WWF 1 - 10 Control log on request *_Italian Results:_* *_50 MHz._** # QSO Italians Points Antenna* 1) IW5DHN 10 - 100 4 x 7 el.JXX . *_144 MHz_** * * Category A* *1) IZ5ILX** * 26 4 260 2 x 2.5WL DK7ZB . *Category B* 1) I2FAK 45 5 450 2 x LLY (7.8 mt. each ) 2) I3LDP 23 3 230 4 x 9el. (4.8 Mt. each ) 3) IK0VWO 10 - 100 4 x 8el. (2WL each ) 4) IZ2FLY/p 3 - 30 4 x 1.5 WL . 5) IZ1DBY 2 - 20 4 x 8el. JXX . * Category C* 1) IT9CHU 60 6 600 4 x 10 el.(DK7ZB,3 WL each). 2) I3EVK 56 4 560 4 x 19 LLY . I1ANP 54 7 540 Control log on request. 4 x 16 BV. 3) I2RV 22 4 220 4 x 15 el. KLM . *Cross antenna * *Category B* *1) IW0CZC** * 3 - 30 2 x CP22 M2, (5.66 mt. each cross Yagi ). ***Category C* *1) IK1UWL** * 125 7 1250 4 x 14 el. (DK7ZB cross yagi) . 2) IK7EZN 86 7 860 4 x 14 el (3.57WL each cross Yagi ). * *Italian Participants: I1ANP, I1NDP, IK1FJI, IK1UWL, IW1CHY, IZ1DBY, I2FAK, I2RV, IZ2FLY, I3EVK, I3LDP, I3MEK, IW4ARD, IW5DHN, IZ5ILX, IK7EZN, IT9CHU, IT9CJC, IK0VWO, IW0CZC . Prizes will be given on Spring 2010 during the Italian E.M.E. Meeting c/o Hotel Joseph Marina di Pietrasanta - Lucca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090803/2ab0adf0/attachment-0001.htm From marchi.g at libero.it Mon Aug 3 17:10:41 2009 From: marchi.g at libero.it (Giorgio Marchi) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:10:41 +0200 Subject: [Moon] IY1GMN QSL Message-ID: <000b01ca144c$91cd2090$0100a8c0@graf> Hi all who connected IY1GMN, I received from the printer the qsl cards and wrote them all. All have been sent direct, this morning to the post office. If after a reasonable time (second half of August?) you do not receive them, please let me know. Thanks all for participating, 73, Gio IK1UWL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090803/ca814ac7/attachment.htm From marchi.g at libero.it Mon Aug 3 18:54:45 2009 From: marchi.g at libero.it (Giorgio Marchi) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:54:45 +0200 Subject: [Moon] QSLs for IY1GMN Message-ID: <002601ca145b$1ac1ac00$0100a8c0@graf> Hi all who connected IY1GMN, who wants to send his qsl for a qso with IY1GMN, please look IY1GMN on QRZ. 73, Gio IK1UWL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090803/940a2cbe/attachment.htm From dl5mae at yahoo.de Mon Aug 3 20:28:34 2009 From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:28:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Moon] SK6OSO In-Reply-To: <5F0E622B-DB8A-4D12-B5A2-C4DAC6D98571@sh-home.de> Message-ID: <546749.85127.qm@web23703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Ben, your activity reminds me to the good old times on 2m EME ! Signals a bit weaker that time on 2m but comparable .... Enjoyed vy much to see? the straight hand key on your TRX... vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang ?Enjoy?www.youtube.com/turistkanalen?73 de Benwww.sm6cku.se -----Integrierter Anhang folgt----- _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090803/04f2eab3/attachment.htm From i5wbe at i5wbe.it Tue Aug 4 14:48:09 2009 From: i5wbe at i5wbe.it (Enrico Baldacci) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:48:09 +0000 Subject: [Moon] Results C37DXU on 144 MHz. Message-ID: <4A782E09.90704@i5wbe.it> Hello Emer's you can see the results of Dx-pedition C37DXU (144 MHz.) @ http://www.eme2008.org/c37dxu or http://www.eme2008.org/c37dxu/qso.html , soon also (432 MHz.) QSL Via Bureau or direct to: UNIO DE RADIOAFICIONATS ANDORRANS P.O. BOX 1150 ANDORRA LA VELLA AD552, ANDORRA Vy 73' per C37DXU Team Enrico i5wbe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090804/1f893383/attachment.htm From dfaessler at bluewin.ch Wed Aug 5 21:17:13 2009 From: dfaessler at bluewin.ch (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Dominique_F=E4ssler_=28HB9BBD=29?=) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:17:13 +0200 Subject: [Moon] WG: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community Message-ID: <4A3FDDEE01013ABC@tr13.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch) -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] Im Auftrag von Dominique F?ssler (HB9BBD) Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 19:14 An: 'OK1DFC'; 'Giorgio Marchi' Cc: 'Moon-net'; 'Marshall Williams'; 'Sean' Betreff: Re: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community Dear EME enthusiasts Dear assisted enthusiasts As Doug, VK3UM has written some time ago, it is insulting to EME operators to mark "unassisted" on a contest form. EME is EME and remains EME. Assisted is and will remain assisted no matter how much these assisted operators feel to be in EME. By perverting QSO's by any means, e.g. substitution of sent content on an RF path by whatever list or software, replacing receiving content by known data and other smart gimmicks, this is not EME. If you go to mount Everest, using sherpas to carry yourself up on a stretcher does not mean that you have climbed this mountain. You would have substituted skill and performance by money or whatever. You then would tell the world that you have climbed Mount Everest assisted even if you fell asleep on the stretcher... 73 cu in any true RF mode off the moon! HB9BBD -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] Im Auftrag von OK1DFC Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 18:06 An: Giorgio Marchi Cc: Moon-net; Marshall Williams; Sean Betreff: Re: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community I will send to all available e-mail adreess BIG THANKS that this year does not exist assisted category. Due to existing Assisted cattegotry I did not participate last year. Best regards Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV 144 - 3400 MHz EME QRO and 10m DISH WAC 432 - 1296 MHz ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ Od: Giorgio Marchi P?edm?t: Re: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community Datum: 05.8.2009 10:47:56 ---------------------------------------- Hi Marshall, I completely agree with you. Although I have MAP65IQ, thanks to assistance I have much preferred the type of battle that developed in the recent ARI and Dubus contests, in which I was also able to contact a very good number of small stations. By absurd, if everybody had MAP65 looking for those calling CQ, nobody would be calling CQ. Instead, with assistance, I cqed 60% of the time, the rest going to announced qrgs. Announced qrgs on a logger are the same that can be found with MAP65, only more because not limited by sistem sensitivity, therefore penalizing smaller stations, which, by the way, represent precious additional points for bigger stations, the interest is reciprocal. In the last ARI there were 5 italian newcomers, qrp and single yagi, who made their entrance in our magic world, thanks to assistance. In a contest you spend a lot of time txing, this penalizes research by radio means like MAP65, which is more adapted to normal weekend situations. I know that Joe K1JT, brilliant author also of MAP65, is very proud of his last software, and justly so, I like it also very much, but not for contests. I hope the "pro assistance group", usually rather silent, will join our campaign. 73 to all, see you in the next contest, whatever the rules. Giorgio IK1UWL ----- Original Message ----- From: Marshall Williams To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:37 AM Subject: An Open Letter to the EME Community In what can only be described as a "coup at midnight" a few Anti-Assistance folks on the VUAC have removed the Assisted classes from the ARRL EME contest. This was done essentially in secret, out of the view of the bulk of the EME operators. Only one VUAC member voted against this insanity--Wayne, N6NB. The effect of this, will be to make it very hard for the small EME stations to work anyone in the EME contest. Why these people decided that they needed to harm the smaller stations is hard to understand, especially since the Assisted classes were the most popular classes--there were more logs submitted in the Assisted classes than any other class. Using digital EME, small stations can work other small stations if they can use coordination to set up schedules. They can then slug it out against the conditions until a valid contact is achieved. Without coordination, a small station will be able to find a few of the "big guns", but they will not be able to work each other because they literally cannot find another trace. I will not be participating in the EME contest this year, as there is now no class for me. I will submit a log with NO contacts in protest. I urge you to do the same. Other small EME stations are saying the same thing and will not participate for the same reasons. I believe that there will be a significant drop in participation from the smaller stations because of this extremely ill advised action. I ask that other EME capable stations to contact the ARRL and let them know that you are very upset. It is very important that you send your comments to Sean(skutzko at arrl.org) and request that your email be forwarded to the VUAC representatives. I don't know why the Anti-Assistance people believe that their way is the only way and we must operate exactly the way that they do. But that is precisely what they believe. Bumbling around the band hoping that you might bump into someone to work is just a very poor way to run a railroad. Please contact me if you agree with these thoughts, we need to get the word out to as many EME operators as possible. Thank you. Below, is a list of ARRL Officers, Directors, and Vice-Directors. Please send your letters to each and every one of them. Politely, but firmly, voice your outrage at this action, which can only hurt the smaller stations and limit their participation. Please pass this email along to anyone that corrently operates EME or is interested in EME. We need to maximize the participation in EME, not restrict it. Thank you. Sincerely, Marshall Williams, K5QE Sean Joel Kay Rick David Bill Tom George Howard Jay David Jim Gary Frank Joyce Bruce Clifford Tom Mike Jim William Bob Jim Dennis Patricia Brian Dwayne Greg Jeffrey Richard Marty David John _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV 144 - 3400 MHz EME QRO and 10m DISH WAC 432 - 1296 MHz _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html From ok1tehlist at seznam.cz Wed Aug 5 23:11:21 2009 From: ok1tehlist at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?OK1TEH=20Petrzilka?=) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:11:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Moon] WG: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community In-Reply-To: <4A3FDDEE01013ABC@tr13.bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <19176.29270-26587-852446876-1249506680@seznam.cz> Hi guys I think you won't agree with me, but I would prefer an following idea: How about to devide ARRL EME contest 2010 into 2 weekends - first month for WSJT contest and second for (i)CW/SSB? It had been done in DUBUS contest and it works very well. Another "stupid" idea for discussion would be a creation of new categories for WSJT/WSPR/JT65 contest: assisted - with rules like at http://www.marsport.org.uk/dubus/EMEContestNEW2009.pdf quasi-assisted - passive (one way) monitoring of N0UK chat for annouced CQ frequencies & qrv list unassisted - MAP65 + "tune" users without any connection to an internet & dxcluster (my favorite one btw.) + more points for WSPR contact? I think that separation of WSJT ARRL EME contest would be great thing for a small stations and (i)CW stations would be satisfied too. What do you think about it? 73 Matej, OK1TEH > ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ > Od: Dominique F?ssler (HB9BBD) > P?edm?t: [Moon] WG: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community > Datum: 05.8.2009 21:50:42 > ---------------------------------------- > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net > [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] Im Auftrag von Dominique > F?ssler (HB9BBD) > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 19:14 > An: 'OK1DFC'; 'Giorgio Marchi' > Cc: 'Moon-net'; 'Marshall Williams'; 'Sean' > Betreff: Re: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community > > Dear EME enthusiasts > Dear assisted enthusiasts > > As Doug, VK3UM has written some time ago, it is insulting to EME operators > to mark "unassisted" on a contest form. > EME is EME and remains EME. Assisted is and will remain assisted no matter > how much these assisted operators feel to be in EME. > By perverting QSO's by any means, e.g. substitution of sent content on an RF > path by whatever list or software, replacing receiving content by known data > and other smart gimmicks, this is not EME. > If you go to mount Everest, using sherpas to carry yourself up on a > stretcher does not mean that you have climbed this mountain. You would have > substituted skill and performance by money or whatever. You then would tell > the world that you have climbed Mount Everest assisted even if you fell > asleep on the stretcher... > 73 cu in any true RF mode off the moon! > HB9BBD > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net > [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] Im Auftrag von OK1DFC > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 18:06 > An: Giorgio Marchi > Cc: Moon-net; Marshall Williams; Sean > Betreff: Re: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community > > I will send to all available e-mail adreess BIG THANKS that this year does > not exist assisted category. Due to existing Assisted cattegotry I did not > participate last year. > Best regards > Zdenek - OK1DFC > www.ok1dfc.com > QRV 144 - 3400 MHz EME > QRO and 10m DISH > WAC 432 - 1296 MHz > > ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ > Od: Giorgio Marchi > P?edm?t: Re: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community > Datum: 05.8.2009 10:47:56 > ---------------------------------------- > Hi Marshall, I completely agree with you. Although I have MAP65IQ, thanks to > assistance I have much preferred the type of battle that developed in the > recent > ARI and Dubus contests, in which I was also able to contact a very good > number > of small stations. > By absurd, if everybody had MAP65 looking for those calling CQ, nobody would > be > calling CQ. Instead, with assistance, I cqed 60% of the time, the rest going > to > announced qrgs. Announced qrgs on a logger are the same that can be found > with > MAP65, only more because not limited by sistem sensitivity, therefore > penalizing > smaller stations, which, by the way, represent precious additional points > for > bigger stations, the interest is reciprocal. > In the last ARI there were 5 italian newcomers, qrp and single yagi, who > made > their entrance in our magic world, thanks to assistance. > In a contest you spend a lot of time txing, this penalizes research by radio > means like MAP65, which is more adapted to normal weekend situations. I know > that Joe K1JT, brilliant author also of MAP65, is very proud of his last > software, and justly so, I like it also very much, but not for contests. I > hope > the "pro assistance group", usually rather silent, will join our campaign. > 73 to all, see you in the next contest, whatever the rules. Giorgio IK1UWL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marshall Williams > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:37 AM > Subject: An Open Letter to the EME Community > > > In what can only be described as a "coup at midnight" a few > Anti-Assistance > folks on the VUAC have removed the Assisted classes from the ARRL EME > contest. > This was done essentially in secret, out of the view of the bulk of the EME > operators. Only one VUAC member voted against this insanity--Wayne, N6NB. > The > effect of this, will be to make it very hard for the small EME stations to > work > anyone in the EME contest. Why these people decided that they needed to harm > the > smaller stations is hard to understand, especially since the Assisted > classes > were the most popular classes--there were more logs submitted in the > Assisted > classes than any other class. > > Using digital EME, small stations can work other small stations if they > can > use coordination to set up schedules. They can then slug it out against the > conditions until a valid contact is achieved. Without coordination, a small > station will be able to find a few of the "big guns", but they will not be > able > to work each other because they literally cannot find another trace. > > I will not be participating in the EME contest this year, as there is now > no > class for me. I will submit a log with NO contacts in protest. I urge you to > do > the same. Other small EME stations are saying the same thing and will not > participate for the same reasons. I believe that there will be a significant > drop in participation from the smaller stations because of this extremely > ill > advised action. I ask that other EME capable stations to contact the ARRL > and > let them know that you are very upset. It is very important that you send > your > comments to Sean(skutzko at arrl.org) and request that your email be forwarded > to > the VUAC representatives. > > I don't know why the Anti-Assistance people believe that their way is the > only > way and we must operate exactly the way that they do. But that is precisely > what > they believe. Bumbling around the band hoping that you might bump into > someone > to work is just a very poor way to run a railroad. Please contact me if you > agree with these thoughts, we need to get the word out to as many EME > operators > as possible. Thank you. > > Below, is a list of ARRL Officers, Directors, and Vice-Directors. Please > send > your letters to each and every one of them. Politely, but firmly, voice > your > outrage at this action, which can only hurt the smaller stations and limit > their > participation. Please pass this email along to anyone that corrently > operates > EME or is interested in EME. We need to maximize the participation in EME, > not > restrict it. Thank you. > > Sincerely, > > Marshall Williams, K5QE > > > > Sean > Joel > Kay > Rick > David > > Bill > Tom > George > Howard > Jay > David > Jim > Gary > Frank > Joyce > Bruce > Clifford > Tom > Mike > Jim > William > Bob > Jim > Dennis > Patricia > Brian > Dwayne > Greg > Jeffrey > Richard > Marty > David > John > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > > > > Zdenek - OK1DFC > www.ok1dfc.com > QRV 144 - 3400 MHz EME > QRO and 10m DISH > WAC 432 - 1296 MHz > > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you > from the list > > > From dl5mae at yahoo.de Wed Aug 5 23:34:21 2009 From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:34:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Moon] WG: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community In-Reply-To: <4A3FDDEE01013ABC@tr13.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch) Message-ID: <402645.87015.qm@web23707.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi All, I think the rule change is just a result as EME is? downgraded? dramatically? with? the abusive? use? of chat-rooms during the contest? (and also outside contests!). In my opinion it cant be acceptable that a i.e. "medium" 4 yagi station is the winner over a real big gun because the "real big gun" (with putting lots of effort into his station) is working along the rules while the "medium" station has the best internet connection and has the highest number of selfspots ... About the "small station" theory : I very much remember the outstanding results of SM5BSZ (single yagi) or EA3DXU (SK) with his 2 yagis not too long time ago in the ARRL EME contests. I think there are some more good examples. But many dont just give it a try without chat, even stations with a very good 4 yagi array . Switch OFF your internet and lets fire up the radio gear! vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang --- Dominique F?ssler (HB9BBD) schrieb am Mi, 5.8.2009: Von: Dominique F?ssler (HB9BBD) Betreff: [Moon] WG: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community An: moon at moonbounce.info Datum: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009, 21:17 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] Im Auftrag von Dominique F?ssler (HB9BBD) Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 19:14 An: 'OK1DFC'; 'Giorgio Marchi' Cc: 'Moon-net'; 'Marshall Williams'; 'Sean' Betreff: Re: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community Dear EME enthusiasts Dear assisted enthusiasts As Doug, VK3UM has written some time ago, it is insulting to EME operators to mark "unassisted" on a contest form. EME is EME and remains EME. Assisted is and will remain assisted no matter how much these assisted operators feel to be in EME. By perverting QSO's by any means, e.g. substitution of sent content on an RF path by whatever list or software, replacing receiving content by known data and other smart gimmicks, this is not EME. If you go to mount Everest, using sherpas to carry yourself up on a stretcher does not mean that you have climbed this mountain. You would have substituted skill and performance by money or whatever. You then would tell the world that you have climbed Mount Everest assisted even if you fell asleep on the stretcher... 73 cu in any true RF mode off the moon! HB9BBD -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] Im Auftrag von OK1DFC Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 18:06 An: Giorgio Marchi Cc: Moon-net; Marshall Williams; Sean Betreff: Re: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community I will send to all available e-mail adreess BIG THANKS that this year does not exist assisted category. Due to existing Assisted cattegotry I did not participate last year. Best regards Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV 144 - 3400 MHz EME QRO and 10m DISH WAC 432 - 1296 MHz ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ Od: Giorgio Marchi P?edm?t: Re: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community Datum: 05.8.2009 10:47:56 ---------------------------------------- Hi Marshall, I completely agree with you. Although I have MAP65IQ, thanks to assistance I have much preferred the type of battle that developed in the recent ARI and Dubus contests, in which I was also able to contact a very good number of small stations. By absurd, if everybody had MAP65 looking for those calling CQ, nobody would be calling CQ. Instead, with assistance, I cqed 60% of the time, the rest going to announced qrgs. Announced qrgs on a logger are the same that can be found with MAP65, only more because not limited by sistem sensitivity, therefore penalizing smaller stations, which, by the way, represent precious additional points for bigger stations, the interest is reciprocal. In the last ARI there were 5 italian newcomers, qrp and single yagi, who made their entrance in our magic world, thanks to assistance. In a contest you spend a lot of time txing, this penalizes research by radio means like MAP65, which is more adapted to normal weekend situations. I know that Joe K1JT, brilliant author also of MAP65, is very proud of his last software, and justly so, I like it also very much, but not for contests. I hope the "pro assistance group", usually rather silent, will join our campaign. 73 to all, see you in the next contest, whatever the rules. Giorgio IK1UWL ? ----- Original Message ----- ? From: Marshall Williams ? To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; ? Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:37 AM ? Subject: An Open Letter to the EME Community ? In what can only be described as a "coup at midnight" a few Anti-Assistance folks on the VUAC have removed the Assisted classes from the ARRL EME contest. This was done essentially in secret, out of the view of the bulk of the EME operators. Only one VUAC member voted against this insanity--Wayne, N6NB. The effect of this, will be to make it very hard for the small EME stations to work anyone in the EME contest. Why these people decided that they needed to harm the smaller stations is hard to understand, especially since the Assisted classes were the most popular classes--there were more logs submitted in the Assisted classes than any other class. ? Using digital EME, small stations can work other small stations if they can use coordination to set up schedules. They can then slug it out against the conditions until a valid contact is achieved. Without coordination, a small station will be able to find a few of the "big guns", but they will not be able to work each other because they literally cannot find another trace. ? I will not be participating in the EME contest this year, as there is now no class for me. I will submit a log with NO contacts in protest. I urge you to do the same. Other small EME stations are saying the same thing and will not participate for the same reasons. I believe that there will be a significant drop in participation from the smaller stations because of this extremely ill advised action. I ask that other EME capable stations to contact the ARRL and let them know that you are very upset.? It is very important that you send your comments to Sean(skutzko at arrl.org) and request that your email be forwarded to the VUAC representatives.? ? I don't know why the Anti-Assistance people believe that their way is the only way and we must operate exactly the way that they do. But that is precisely what they believe. Bumbling around the band hoping that you might bump into someone to work is just a very poor way to run a railroad. Please contact me if you agree with these thoughts, we need to get the word out to as many EME operators as possible. Thank you. ? Below, is a list of ARRL Officers, Directors, and Vice-Directors.? Please send your letters to each and every one of them.? Politely, but firmly, voice your outrage at this action, which can only hurt the smaller stations and limit their participation.? Please pass this email along to anyone that corrently operates EME or is interested in EME.? We need to maximize the participation in EME, not restrict it.? Thank you. ? Sincerely, ? Marshall Williams, K5QE ? Sean ? Joel ? Kay ? Rick ? David ? Bill ? Tom ? George ? Howard ? Jay ? David ? Jim ? Gary ? Frank ? Joyce ? Bruce ? Clifford ? Tom ? Mike ? Jim ? William ? Bob ? Jim ? Dennis ? Patricia ? Brian ? Dwayne ? Greg ? Jeffrey ? Richard ? Marty ? David ? 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In my opinion it cant be acceptable that a i.e. "medium" 4 yagi station is the winner over a real big gun because the "real big gun" (with putting lots of effort into his station) is working along the rules while the "medium" station has the best internet connection and has the highest number of selfspots ... About the "small station" theory : I very much remember the outstanding results of SM5BSZ (single yagi) or EA3DXU (SK) with his 2 yagis not too long time ago in the ARRL EME contests. I think there are some more good examples. But many dont just give it a try without chat, even stations with a very good 4 yagi array . Switch OFF your internet and lets fire up the radio gear! vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang --- Dominique F?ssler (HB9BBD) schrieb am Mi, 5.8.2009: Von: Dominique F?ssler (HB9BBD) Betreff: [Moon] WG: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community An: moon at moonbounce.info Datum: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009, 21:17 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] Im Auftrag von Dominique F?ssler (HB9BBD) Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 19:14 An: 'OK1DFC'; 'Giorgio Marchi' Cc: 'Moon-net'; 'Marshall Williams'; 'Sean' Betreff: Re: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community Dear EME enthusiasts Dear assisted enthusiasts As Doug, VK3UM has written some time ago, it is insulting to EME operators to mark "unassisted" on a contest form. EME is EME and remains EME. Assisted is and will remain assisted no matter how much these assisted operators feel to be in EME. By perverting QSO's by any means, e.g. substitution of sent content on an RF path by whatever list or software, replacing receiving content by known data and other smart gimmicks, this is not EME. If you go to mount Everest, using sherpas to carry yourself up on a stretcher does not mean that you have climbed this mountain. You would have substituted skill and performance by money or whatever. You then would tell the world that you have climbed Mount Everest assisted even if you fell asleep on the stretcher... 73 cu in any true RF mode off the moon! HB9BBD -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] Im Auftrag von OK1DFC Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 18:06 An: Giorgio Marchi Cc: Moon-net; Marshall Williams; Sean Betreff: Re: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community I will send to all available e-mail adreess BIG THANKS that this year does not exist assisted category. Due to existing Assisted cattegotry I did not participate last year. Best regards Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV 144 - 3400 MHz EME QRO and 10m DISH WAC 432 - 1296 MHz ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ Od: Giorgio Marchi P?edm?t: Re: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community Datum: 05.8.2009 10:47:56 ---------------------------------------- Hi Marshall, I completely agree with you. Although I have MAP65IQ, thanks to assistance I have much preferred the type of battle that developed in the recent ARI and Dubus contests, in which I was also able to contact a very good number of small stations. By absurd, if everybody had MAP65 looking for those calling CQ, nobody would be calling CQ. Instead, with assistance, I cqed 60% of the time, the rest going to announced qrgs. Announced qrgs on a logger are the same that can be found with MAP65, only more because not limited by sistem sensitivity, therefore penalizing smaller stations, which, by the way, represent precious additional points for bigger stations, the interest is reciprocal. In the last ARI there were 5 italian newcomers, qrp and single yagi, who made their entrance in our magic world, thanks to assistance. In a contest you spend a lot of time txing, this penalizes research by radio means like MAP65, which is more adapted to normal weekend situations. I know that Joe K1JT, brilliant author also of MAP65, is very proud of his last software, and justly so, I like it also very much, but not for contests. I hope the "pro assistance group", usually rather silent, will join our campaign. 73 to all, see you in the next contest, whatever the rules. Giorgio IK1UWL ? ----- Original Message ----- ? From: Marshall Williams ? To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; ? Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:37 AM ? Subject: An Open Letter to the EME Community ? In what can only be described as a "coup at midnight" a few Anti-Assistance folks on the VUAC have removed the Assisted classes from the ARRL EME contest. This was done essentially in secret, out of the view of the bulk of the EME operators. Only one VUAC member voted against this insanity--Wayne, N6NB. The effect of this, will be to make it very hard for the small EME stations to work anyone in the EME contest. Why these people decided that they needed to harm the smaller stations is hard to understand, especially since the Assisted classes were the most popular classes--there were more logs submitted in the Assisted classes than any other class. ? Using digital EME, small stations can work other small stations if they can use coordination to set up schedules. They can then slug it out against the conditions until a valid contact is achieved. Without coordination, a small station will be able to find a few of the "big guns", but they will not be able to work each other because they literally cannot find another trace. ? I will not be participating in the EME contest this year, as there is now no class for me. I will submit a log with NO contacts in protest. I urge you to do the same. Other small EME stations are saying the same thing and will not participate for the same reasons. I believe that there will be a significant drop in participation from the smaller stations because of this extremely ill advised action. I ask that other EME capable stations to contact the ARRL and let them know that you are very upset.? It is very important that you send your comments to Sean(skutzko at arrl.org) and request that your email be forwarded to the VUAC representatives.? ? I don't know why the Anti-Assistance people believe that their way is the only way and we must operate exactly the way that they do. But that is precisely what they believe. Bumbling around the band hoping that you might bump into someone to work is just a very poor way to run a railroad. Please contact me if you agree with these thoughts, we need to get the word out to as many EME operators as possible. Thank you. ? Below, is a list of ARRL Officers, Directors, and Vice-Directors.? Please send your letters to each and every one of them.? Politely, but firmly, voice your outrage at this action, which can only hurt the smaller stations and limit their participation.? Please pass this email along to anyone that corrently operates EME or is interested in EME.? We need to maximize the participation in EME, not restrict it.? Thank you. ? Sincerely, ? Marshall Williams, K5QE ? Sean ? Joel ? Kay ? Rick ? David ? Bill ? Tom ? George ? Howard ? Jay ? David ? Jim ? Gary ? Frank ? Joyce ? Bruce ? Clifford ? Tom ? Mike ? Jim ? William ? Bob ? Jim ? Dennis ? Patricia ? Brian ? Dwayne ? Greg ? Jeffrey ? Richard ? Marty ? David ? 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URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090805/9add165e/attachment.htm From v.d.heide at on-line.de Thu Aug 6 09:20:36 2009 From: v.d.heide at on-line.de (Klaus von der Heide) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:20:36 +0200 Subject: [Moon] An Open Letter to the EME Community In-Reply-To: <402645.87015.qm@web23707.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <4A3FDDEE01013ABC@tr13.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch), <402645.87015.qm@web23707.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A7AA064.10630.30F8DD@v.d.heide.on-line.de> Hello All, there is no doubt on the fact that the meaning of the term "assisted" is that the internet bypass was neccessary to transport some of the information which constitutes a valid QSO. An "assisted" radio contact therefore never will be a QSO. QSOs and "assisted" contacts cannot compare. 73 de Klaus, DJ5HG > Hi All, > > I think the rule change is just a result as EME is? > downgraded? dramatically? with? the abusive? use? of > chat-rooms during the contest? (and also outside contests!). > > In my opinion it cant be acceptable that a i.e. "medium" 4 yagi station is > the winner over a real big gun because the "real big gun" (with putting lots > of effort into his station) is working along the rules while the "medium" > station has the best internet connection and has the highest number of > selfspots ... > > About the "small station" theory : I very much remember the outstanding > results of SM5BSZ (single yagi) or EA3DXU (SK) with his 2 yagis not too long time ago in the ARRL EME contests. I think there are some more good examples. > But many dont just give it a try without chat, even stations with a very good 4 yagi array . > > Switch OFF your internet and lets fire up the radio gear! > > vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang > > > --- Dominique F?ssler (HB9BBD) schrieb am Mi, 5.8.2009: > > Dear EME enthusiasts > Dear assisted enthusiasts > > As Doug, VK3UM has written some time ago, it is insulting to EME operators > to mark "unassisted" on a contest form. > EME is EME and remains EME. Assisted is and will remain assisted no matter > how much these assisted operators feel to be in EME. > By perverting QSO's by any means, e.g. substitution of sent content on an RF > path by whatever list or software, replacing receiving content by known data > and other smart gimmicks, this is not EME. > If you go to mount Everest, using sherpas to carry yourself up on a > stretcher does not mean that you have climbed this mountain. You would have > substituted skill and performance by money or whatever. You then would tell > the world that you have climbed Mount Everest assisted even if you fell > asleep on the stretcher... > 73 cu in any true RF mode off the moon! > HB9BBD From sm2cew at telia.com Thu Aug 6 10:11:28 2009 From: sm2cew at telia.com (Peter Sundberg) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:11:28 +0000 Subject: [Moon] WG: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community In-Reply-To: <402645.87015.qm@web23707.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <4A3FDDEE01013ABC@tr13.bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <20090806080845.84566163472@mail.allt1.se> Wolfgang and Klaus, I could not agree more with what you say. I find it so hard to grasp why contest operating procedures should involve chatting on another channel to set up a contacts, one after the other.. The whole object of a contest is to be smart, and make the most out of the radio equipment at hand. Having a "telephone book" (read chat) to arrange, talk through and confirm/validate contest contacts is totally opposite to the whole idea of a radio contesting. How difficult is it for example to work new multipliers when they can be talked to on the chat and told where to go and what to do..? I can not understand how assisted in the form of chatting/selfspotting was even allowed in the first place. But bad decisions can be reversed and in this case they have been, thanks to the process of (annualy) reviewing and updating the ARRL EME contest rules. The IARU Reg 1 updated their contest rules in a similar way a while back, and so did the RSGB. Well done! 73 de Peter SM2CEW www.sm2cew.com Oh, and by the way, CW is King! :-) At 21:34 2009-08-05 , Wolfgang Schlaffer wrote: > > Hi All, > > I think the rule change is just a result as EME is > downgraded dramatically with the abusive use of > chat-rooms during the contest (and also outside contests!). > > In my opinion it cant be acceptable that a i.e. "medium" 4 yagi station is > the winner over a real big gun because the "real big gun" (with putting lots > of effort into his station) is working along the rules while the "medium" > station has the best internet connection and has the highest number of > selfspots ... > > About the "small station" theory : I very much remember the outstanding > results of SM5BSZ (single yagi) or EA3DXU (SK) with his 2 yagis not too long > time ago in the ARRL EME contests. I think there are some more good examples. > > But many dont just give it a try without chat, even stations with a very good > 4 yagi array . > > Switch OFF your internet and lets fire up the radio gear! > > vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang > > > > -------------------------- At 07:20 2009-08-06 , Klaus wrote Hello All, there is no doubt on the fact that the meaning of the term "assisted" is that the internet bypass was neccessary to transport some of the information which constitutes a valid QSO. An "assisted" radio contact therefore never will be a QSO. QSOs and "assisted" contacts cannot compare. 73 de Klaus, DJ5HG From sv3aaf at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 12:45:45 2009 From: sv3aaf at yahoo.com (SV3AAF Petros) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 03:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Moon] WG: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community In-Reply-To: <20090806080845.84566163472@mail.allt1.se> References: <4A3FDDEE01013ABC@tr13.bluewin.ch> <20090806080845.84566163472@mail.allt1.se> Message-ID: <340277.11690.qm@web59106.mail.re1.yahoo.com> It is interesting and sad together to have radio amateurs considering ?assistance? as so normal to ham radio. A new generation of radio amateurs was brewed. Those that consider internet as part of a radio QSO. A QSO is ONLY through radio. A QSO is ONLY through radio. A QSO is ONLY through radio. Internet Loggers were made for information exchange or sked arrangement and NOT for the so called ?assisted contacts?. Using the logger to assist a contact is abuse and does not produce radio contacts or valid QSOs. Using the logger to assist a contact is abuse and does not produce radio contacts or valid QSOs. Using the logger to assist a contact and log it as a QSO is abuse. Using the logger to assist a contact and log it as a QSO is abuse. Non internet type of assistance is equally abusive. Non internet type of assistance is equally abusive. p ________________________________ From: Peter Sundberg To: Wolfgang Schlaffer ; moon at moonbounce.info Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 11:11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Moon] WG: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community Wolfgang and Klaus, I could not agree more with what you say. I find it so hard to grasp why contest operating procedures should involve chatting on another channel to set up a contacts, one after the other.. The whole object of a contest is to be smart, and make the most out of the radio equipment at hand. Having a "telephone book" (read chat) to arrange, talk through and confirm/validate contest contacts is totally opposite to the whole idea of a radio contesting. How difficult is it for example to work new multipliers when they can be talked to on the chat and told where to go and what to do..? I can not understand how assisted in the form of chatting/selfspotting was even allowed in the first place. But bad decisions can be reversed and in this case they have been, thanks to the process of (annualy) reviewing and updating the ARRL EME contest rules. The IARU Reg 1 updated their contest rules in a similar way a while back, and so did the RSGB. Well done! 73 de Peter SM2CEW www.sm2cew.com Oh, and by the way, CW is King! :-) At 21:34 2009-08-05 , Wolfgang Schlaffer wrote: > > Hi All, > > I think the rule change is just a result as EME is > downgraded dramatically with the abusive use of > chat-rooms during the contest (and also outside contests!). > > In my opinion it cant be acceptable that a i.e. "medium" 4 yagi station is > the winner over a real big gun because the "real big gun" (with putting lots > of effort into his station) is working along the rules while the "medium" > station has the best internet connection and has the highest number of > selfspots ... > > About the "small station" theory : I very much remember the outstanding > results of SM5BSZ (single yagi) or EA3DXU (SK) with his 2 yagis not too long > time ago in the ARRL EME contests. I think there are some more good examples. > > But many dont just give it a try without chat, even stations with a very good > 4 yagi array . > > Switch OFF your internet and lets fire up the radio gear! > > vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang > > > > -------------------------- At 07:20 2009-08-06 , Klaus wrote Hello All, there is no doubt on the fact that the meaning of the term "assisted" is that the internet bypass was neccessary to transport some of the information which constitutes a valid QSO. An "assisted" radio contact therefore never will be a QSO. QSOs and "assisted" contacts cannot compare. 73 de Klaus, DJ5HG _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090806/a4d5d22c/attachment.htm From v.d.heide at on-line.de Thu Aug 6 14:03:03 2009 From: v.d.heide at on-line.de (Klaus von der Heide) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:03:03 +0200 Subject: [Moon] An Open Letter/QSO or not?? In-Reply-To: References: <4A3FDDEE01013ABC@tr13.bluewin.ch>, Message-ID: <4A7AE297.3521.1338D66@v.d.heide.on-line.de> Hello Bodo and All, sorry, I tried to make a short contribution, but it was too short. If all neccessary information of a QSO is transferred via the radio waves, then clearly all is ok if the contact was a sked or at random. The problem is hidden in the realization of digital communication systems. If for example callsigns are communicated via the internet then the digital receiver can use the aggreed information to correlate the incoming signal for a simple decision "yes the signal fits" (or not). Such a one-bit decision by far cannot be compared to the reception of callsigns. If the digital system has no entry for a list of callsigns and no button "sked" then all is ok. Just these features make a priori information so valuable that "assistance" is desired. It is entirely clear that "assistance" should not be allowed within a running QSO. My argumentation can be found in: http://www.eme2008.org/papers.html (click DJ5HG) If skeds should be allowed in contests is another question. The answer surely depends on the band. 73! Klaus, DJ5HG Am 6 Aug 2009 um 12:26 hat Bodo Heyl geschrieben: > Hello Klaus, > > now I am confused: > > weeks ago a strong and well known CW station announced his > calling qrg in the N0UK CW logger. I started to call him (in CW) for a long > time, > no reply... > > Then I told him via the CW-logger that I am calling him... > > Few minutes later the QSO was done... > > Was it a qso or not???? > > 73 de Bodo/DL2FCN > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Klaus von der Heide" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Moon] An Open Letter to the EME Community > > > > > Hello All, > > there is no doubt on the fact that the meaning of the term "assisted" > is that the internet bypass was neccessary to transport some of the > information which constitutes a valid QSO. An "assisted" radio > contact therefore never will be a QSO. QSOs and "assisted" contacts > cannot compare. > > 73 de Klaus, DJ5HG > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I think the rule change is just a result as EME is > > downgraded dramatically with the abusive use of > > chat-rooms during the contest (and also outside contests!). > > > > In my opinion it cant be acceptable that a i.e. "medium" 4 yagi station is > > the winner over a real big gun because the "real big gun" (with putting > > lots > > of effort into his station) is working along the rules while the "medium" > > station has the best internet connection and has the highest number of > > selfspots ... > > > > About the "small station" theory : I very much remember the outstanding > > results of SM5BSZ (single yagi) or EA3DXU (SK) with his 2 yagis not too > > long time ago in the ARRL EME contests. I think there are some more good > > examples. > > But many dont just give it a try without chat, even stations with a very > > good 4 yagi array . > > > > Switch OFF your internet and lets fire up the radio gear! > > > > vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang > > > > > > --- Dominique F?ssler (HB9BBD) schrieb am Mi, > > 5.8.2009: > > > > Dear EME enthusiasts > > Dear assisted enthusiasts > > > > As Doug, VK3UM has written some time ago, it is insulting to EME operators > > to mark "unassisted" on a contest form. > > EME is EME and remains EME. Assisted is and will remain assisted no matter > > how much these assisted operators feel to be in EME. > > By perverting QSO's by any means, e.g. substitution of sent content on an > > RF > > path by whatever list or software, replacing receiving content by known > > data > > and other smart gimmicks, this is not EME. > > If you go to mount Everest, using sherpas to carry yourself up on a > > stretcher does not mean that you have climbed this mountain. You would > > have > > substituted skill and performance by money or whatever. You then would > > tell > > the world that you have climbed Mount Everest assisted even if you fell > > asleep on the stretcher... > > 73 cu in any true RF mode off the moon! > > HB9BBD > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove > you from the list > From df2zc1 at googlemail.com Thu Aug 6 14:25:51 2009 From: df2zc1 at googlemail.com (DF2ZC) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:25:51 +0200 Subject: [Moon] An Open Letter/QSO or not?? In-Reply-To: <4A7AE297.3521.1338D66@v.d.heide.on-line.de> References: <4A3FDDEE01013ABC@tr13.bluewin.ch>, <4A7AE297.3521.1338D66@v.d.heide.on-line.de> Message-ID: <000101ca1691$0b4c28d0$21e47a70$@com> Excellent point...however this applies also to skeds in ANY other mode: You know both callsigns before - therefore only 1 bit of data is transferred: the callsigns fit or not. 73 Bernd DF2ZC -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On Behalf Of Klaus von der Heide Sent: Donnerstag, 6. August 2009 14:03 To: moon at moonbounce.info Subject: Re: [Moon] An Open Letter/QSO or not?? Hello Bodo and All, sorry, I tried to make a short contribution, but it was too short. If all neccessary information of a QSO is transferred via the radio waves, then clearly all is ok if the contact was a sked or at random. The problem is hidden in the realization of digital communication systems. If for example callsigns are communicated via the internet then the digital receiver can use the aggreed information to correlate the incoming signal for a simple decision "yes the signal fits" (or not). Such a one-bit decision by far cannot be compared to the reception of callsigns. If the digital system has no entry for a list of callsigns and no button "sked" then all is ok. Just these features make a priori information so valuable that "assistance" is desired. It is entirely clear that "assistance" should not be allowed within a running QSO. My argumentation can be found in: http://www.eme2008.org/papers.html (click DJ5HG) If skeds should be allowed in contests is another question. The answer surely depends on the band. 73! Klaus, DJ5HG Am 6 Aug 2009 um 12:26 hat Bodo Heyl geschrieben: > Hello Klaus, > > now I am confused: > > weeks ago a strong and well known CW station announced his > calling qrg in the N0UK CW logger. I started to call him (in CW) for a long > time, > no reply... > > Then I told him via the CW-logger that I am calling him... > > Few minutes later the QSO was done... > > Was it a qso or not???? > > 73 de Bodo/DL2FCN > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Klaus von der Heide" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Moon] An Open Letter to the EME Community > > > > > Hello All, > > there is no doubt on the fact that the meaning of the term "assisted" > is that the internet bypass was neccessary to transport some of the > information which constitutes a valid QSO. An "assisted" radio > contact therefore never will be a QSO. QSOs and "assisted" contacts > cannot compare. > > 73 de Klaus, DJ5HG > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I think the rule change is just a result as EME is > > downgraded dramatically with the abusive use of > > chat-rooms during the contest (and also outside contests!). > > > > In my opinion it cant be acceptable that a i.e. "medium" 4 yagi station is > > the winner over a real big gun because the "real big gun" (with putting > > lots > > of effort into his station) is working along the rules while the "medium" > > station has the best internet connection and has the highest number of > > selfspots ... > > > > About the "small station" theory : I very much remember the outstanding > > results of SM5BSZ (single yagi) or EA3DXU (SK) with his 2 yagis not too > > long time ago in the ARRL EME contests. I think there are some more good > > examples. > > But many dont just give it a try without chat, even stations with a very > > good 4 yagi array . > > > > Switch OFF your internet and lets fire up the radio gear! > > > > vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang > > > > > > --- Dominique F?ssler (HB9BBD) schrieb am Mi, > > 5.8.2009: > > > > Dear EME enthusiasts > > Dear assisted enthusiasts > > > > As Doug, VK3UM has written some time ago, it is insulting to EME operators > > to mark "unassisted" on a contest form. > > EME is EME and remains EME. Assisted is and will remain assisted no matter > > how much these assisted operators feel to be in EME. > > By perverting QSO's by any means, e.g. substitution of sent content on an > > RF > > path by whatever list or software, replacing receiving content by known > > data > > and other smart gimmicks, this is not EME. > > If you go to mount Everest, using sherpas to carry yourself up on a > > stretcher does not mean that you have climbed this mountain. You would > > have > > substituted skill and performance by money or whatever. You then would > > tell > > the world that you have climbed Mount Everest assisted even if you fell > > asleep on the stretcher... > > 73 cu in any true RF mode off the moon! > > HB9BBD > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove > you from the list > _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list From sm4ive at telia.com Thu Aug 6 16:45:54 2009 From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:45:54 +0200 Subject: [Moon] An Open Letter/QSO or not?? References: <4A3FDDEE01013ABC@tr13.bluewin.ch>, <4A7AE297.3521.1338D66@v.d.heide.on-line.de> <000101ca1691$0b4c28d0$21e47a70$@com> Message-ID: <9F64A5CC1EDD4AED847B661A962D4A97@RADIO> Well this seems to be a never ending story. :~(( Of course in a sked you know both callsigns. But it`s up to your own mind if you want to cheat. My personal felling is that i dont want to have a QSO worked in that way. Both callsigns should be recived over the radio , but of course it`s easier to read a weak signal if you know whats gonna to come.. So in contest dont alow scheduling or any other assited mode. So simple everything was before this didledodle mode appeared. All EMErs was friends now there is just !!!!!!!!!! //Lars SM4IVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "DF2ZC" To: Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Moon] An Open Letter/QSO or not?? Excellent point...however this applies also to skeds in ANY other mode: You know both callsigns before - therefore only 1 bit of data is transferred: the callsigns fit or not. 73 Bernd DF2ZC -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On Behalf Of Klaus von der Heide Sent: Donnerstag, 6. August 2009 14:03 To: moon at moonbounce.info Subject: Re: [Moon] An Open Letter/QSO or not?? Hello Bodo and All, sorry, I tried to make a short contribution, but it was too short. If all neccessary information of a QSO is transferred via the radio waves, then clearly all is ok if the contact was a sked or at random. The problem is hidden in the realization of digital communication systems. If for example callsigns are communicated via the internet then the digital receiver can use the aggreed information to correlate the incoming signal for a simple decision "yes the signal fits" (or not). Such a one-bit decision by far cannot be compared to the reception of callsigns. If the digital system has no entry for a list of callsigns and no button "sked" then all is ok. Just these features make a priori information so valuable that "assistance" is desired. It is entirely clear that "assistance" should not be allowed within a running QSO. My argumentation can be found in: http://www.eme2008.org/papers.html (click DJ5HG) If skeds should be allowed in contests is another question. The answer surely depends on the band. 73! Klaus, DJ5HG Am 6 Aug 2009 um 12:26 hat Bodo Heyl geschrieben: > Hello Klaus, > > now I am confused: > > weeks ago a strong and well known CW station announced his > calling qrg in the N0UK CW logger. I started to call him (in CW) for a long > time, > no reply... > > Then I told him via the CW-logger that I am calling him... > > Few minutes later the QSO was done... > > Was it a qso or not???? > > 73 de Bodo/DL2FCN > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Klaus von der Heide" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Moon] An Open Letter to the EME Community > > > > > Hello All, > > there is no doubt on the fact that the meaning of the term "assisted" > is that the internet bypass was neccessary to transport some of the > information which constitutes a valid QSO. An "assisted" radio > contact therefore never will be a QSO. QSOs and "assisted" contacts > cannot compare. > > 73 de Klaus, DJ5HG > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I think the rule change is just a result as EME is > > downgraded dramatically with the abusive use of > > chat-rooms during the contest (and also outside contests!). > > > > In my opinion it cant be acceptable that a i.e. "medium" 4 yagi station is > > the winner over a real big gun because the "real big gun" (with putting > > lots > > of effort into his station) is working along the rules while the "medium" > > station has the best internet connection and has the highest number of > > selfspots ... > > > > About the "small station" theory : I very much remember the outstanding > > results of SM5BSZ (single yagi) or EA3DXU (SK) with his 2 yagis not too > > long time ago in the ARRL EME contests. I think there are some more good > > examples. > > But many dont just give it a try without chat, even stations with a very > > good 4 yagi array . > > > > Switch OFF your internet and lets fire up the radio gear! > > > > vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang > > > > > > --- Dominique F?ssler (HB9BBD) schrieb am Mi, > > 5.8.2009: > > > > Dear EME enthusiasts > > Dear assisted enthusiasts > > > > As Doug, VK3UM has written some time ago, it is insulting to EME operators > > to mark "unassisted" on a contest form. > > EME is EME and remains EME. Assisted is and will remain assisted no matter > > how much these assisted operators feel to be in EME. > > By perverting QSO's by any means, e.g. substitution of sent content on an > > RF > > path by whatever list or software, replacing receiving content by known > > data > > and other smart gimmicks, this is not EME. > > If you go to mount Everest, using sherpas to carry yourself up on a > > stretcher does not mean that you have climbed this mountain. You would > > have > > substituted skill and performance by money or whatever. You then would > > tell > > the world that you have climbed Mount Everest assisted even if you fell > > asleep on the stretcher... > > 73 cu in any true RF mode off the moon! > > HB9BBD > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove > you from the list > _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list From dl5mae at yahoo.de Thu Aug 6 17:44:30 2009 From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:44:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Moon] WG: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community In-Reply-To: <20090806080845.84566163472@mail.allt1.se> Message-ID: <652816.91102.qm@web23708.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Peter, thank you!? After reading some comments I feel? like? it is : ? ????? ALMOST? IMPOSSIBLE TO? RUN? EME? CONTACTS? WITHOUT? INTERNET Where we ended up? vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang --- Peter Sundberg schrieb am Do, 6.8.2009: Von: Peter Sundberg Betreff: Re: [Moon] WG: [Moon-net] An Open Letter to the EME Community An: "Wolfgang Schlaffer" , moon at moonbounce.info Datum: Donnerstag, 6. August 2009, 10:11 Wolfgang and Klaus, I could not agree more with what you say. I find it so hard to grasp why contest operating procedures should involve chatting on another channel to set up a contacts, one after the other.. The whole object of a contest is to be smart, and make the most out of the radio equipment at hand. Having a "telephone book" (read chat) to arrange, talk through and confirm/validate contest contacts is totally opposite to the whole idea of a radio contesting. How difficult is it for example to work new multipliers when they can be talked to on the chat and told where to go and what to do..? I can not understand how assisted in the form of chatting/selfspotting was even allowed in the first place. But bad decisions can be reversed and in this case they have been, thanks to the process of (annualy) reviewing and updating the ARRL EME contest rules. The IARU Reg 1 updated their contest rules in a similar way a while back, and so did the RSGB. Well done! 73 de Peter SM2CEW www.sm2cew.com Oh, and by the way, CW is King! :-) At 21:34 2009-08-05 , Wolfgang Schlaffer wrote: > > Hi All, > > I think the rule change is just a result as EME is? > downgraded? dramatically? with? the abusive? use? of > chat-rooms during the contest? (and also outside contests!). > > In my opinion it cant be acceptable that a i.e. "medium" 4 yagi station is > the winner over a real big gun because the "real big gun" (with putting lots > of effort into his station) is working along the rules while the "medium" > station has the best internet connection and has the highest number of > selfspots ... > > About the "small station" theory : I very much remember the outstanding > results of SM5BSZ (single yagi) or EA3DXU (SK) with his 2 yagis not too long > time ago in the ARRL EME contests. I think there are some more good examples. > > But many dont just give it a try without chat, even stations with a very good > 4 yagi array . > > Switch OFF your internet and lets fire up the radio gear! > > vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang > > > > -------------------------- At 07:20 2009-08-06 , Klaus wrote Hello All, there is no doubt on the fact that the meaning of the term "assisted" is that the internet bypass was neccessary to transport some of the information which constitutes a valid QSO. An "assisted" radio contact therefore never will be a QSO. QSOs and "assisted" contacts cannot compare. 73 de Klaus, DJ5HG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The table will be at www.pa0ehg.com I suggest that during the Activity Weekend we log on to the HB9Q > 2304 Chat. Vy 73 and I hope to work you on 5.7GHz. Brian G4NNS IO91ff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090807/8026a9ba/attachment.htm From i5wbe at i5wbe.it Fri Aug 7 18:12:57 2009 From: i5wbe at i5wbe.it (Enrico Baldacci) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:12:57 +0000 Subject: [Moon] Log 432 MHz. C37DXU Message-ID: <4A7C5289.2010702@i5wbe.it> Hello Emer's you can see the Log 432 MHz. of EME Dx-pedition C37DXU @ http://www.eme2008.org/c37dxu/qso432.html Some pictures @ http://www.eme2008.org/c37dxu/C37DXUAlbum/index.html Vy 73' per C37DXU Team Enrico I5WBE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090807/61dc1334/attachment.html From brian-coleman at tiscali.co.uk Fri Aug 7 19:56:52 2009 From: brian-coleman at tiscali.co.uk (Brian Coleman) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:56:52 +0100 Subject: [Moon] 5.7GHz Activity weekend 15/16 Aug Message-ID: <6AFF799EB2DD4A4BB81B11DE4BEA0512@OFFICEMACHINE> Hello 5.7GHz EMEers Great to see so many of you will come on. Eric ON5TA I would very much like to test with you. I plan to use CP for the first time so maybe we could test when I change back to Linear - Vertical polarisation possibly after the weekend passes. Maybe we can discuss that by direct email near to the weekend. Everyone.. Don't forget to send your station data to Hans PA0EHG at h.v.alphen at planet.nl. But don't believe my RX figures!! I think I took them from the VK3UM EMECalc program with data I put in while I had been dreaming !!! I will be working on my pre amp and will give Hans some real figures before the weekend 15th / 16th !!! 73 Brian G4NNS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090807/99a7abb8/attachment.htm From ve4ma at shaw.ca Sat Aug 8 02:23:22 2009 From: ve4ma at shaw.ca (Barry VE4MA) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:23:22 -0500 Subject: [Moon] 5.7GHz Activity Weekend 15/16 August Reminder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <018d01ca17be$7097c4a0$51c74de0$@ca> Hi Brian & All, I should be QRV with the 3m dish and 190W in shack. I may have time to put a feed in the 2.4m offset Best 73 Barry VE4MA From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On Behalf Of Brian Coleman Sent: August 7, 2009 2:54 AM To: Moon Reflector Subject: [Moon] 5.7GHz Activity Weekend 15/16 August Reminder This is just a reminder that the 5.7GHz activity weekend is on August 15th and 16th. There will be some new stations on, some with receive only, so they would appreciate some big signals to listen to. Joe K1RQG has kindly offered to co-ordinate a sked list with common windows so please send him details of your activity plans including preferred frequencies and stations requested ASAP. ( K1rqg at aol.com ) Hans PA0EHG has offered to set up a station information page for 5.7GHz so please send him the usual details:- Dish size, Dish type, Power, Sun Noise, Moon Noise, Ground Noise, NF, Polarisation and number of initials. ( h.v.alphen at planet.nl ). The table will be at www.pa0ehg.com I suggest that during the Activity Weekend we log on to the HB9Q > 2304 Chat. Vy 73 and I hope to work you on 5.7GHz. Brian G4NNS IO91ff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090808/26676b68/attachment.htm From ben at parabolic.se Sat Aug 8 21:36:16 2009 From: ben at parabolic.se (SM6CKU) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:36:16 +0200 Subject: [Moon] SK6OSO Message-ID: Dear moonbouncers You can now read the story about our happening on www.sk6yh.org and still watch the video on http://www.youtube.com/turistkanalen QSL-cards may be sent to SM6CMU as per qrz.com and the cards I have received will be forwarded (15 miles). Cards will be printed shortly. 73 de Ben www.sm6cku.se -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090808/f1365471/attachment.htm From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp Sun Aug 9 03:32:03 2009 From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 10:32:03 +0900 Subject: [Moon] SK6OSO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090809013203135.HSBP.8223.wememta101.odn.ne.jp@mta101.odn.ne.jp> Hej Ben, Thnak you for the info. Sylvie (my XYL) and I enjoyed the video. Good signals and your echo are very impressive. I had no time to operate 23cm this period, and am busy for the activity of 8J1AXA, now preparing for 23cm and 6cm. Hopefully 8J1AXA will be on these band in a few months. We will have Ham Fair 2009 in Tokyo, Aug. 22-23. JA-EME group and 8J1AXA will have a room there. Visit us!! See you off the moon soon. Mike JH1KRC & Sylvie JP1LAB ---- SM6CKU wrote: > Dear moonbouncers > > You can now read the story about our happening on > www.sk6yh.org and still watch the video on > http://www.youtube.com/turistkanalen > QSL-cards may be sent to SM6CMU as per qrz.com and the cards > I have received will be forwarded (15 miles). Cards will be > printed shortly. > > 73 de Ben > www.sm6cku.se From dj3jj at gmx.net Sun Aug 9 14:57:51 2009 From: dj3jj at gmx.net (Andreas Haefner) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:57:51 +0200 Subject: [Moon] Missing EME stations data Message-ID: <20090809125751.96550@gmx.net> GM gentlemen, i am missing sunnoise data of following stations: 2m KL7UW SM5IOT DK3WG HB9Q 70cm N4GJV IK6EIW SM6FHZ K2UYH HB9Q PI9CAM 23cm IK6EIW F5JWF KL7UW K2UYH HB9Q 13cm HB9Q thanks to the new data from petros SV3AAF for 2m to 13cm. I did update and expand my list up to 3cm This list is a list of active stations and not a world championchip ranking. A lot of newcomers and active stations giving me a positive feedback for this list to see whats possible and how other stations combat losses. So i don't understand why some stations ingnore my emails. You can find newest list here: http://www.do9bc.de/index.php?page=806688781&f=1&i=1179997641&s=806688781 If you click at the recent visitors map (Down left) you can see that stations all over the world looking at the table. But until now a lot of active stations are missing ! Waiting for your input..... 73s Andreas DJ3JJ -- GRATIS f?r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 From g3ltf at btinternet.com Tue Aug 11 00:33:16 2009 From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:33:16 +0100 Subject: [Moon] NE868898 Message-ID: <827B6203AD2F44F4A8B68856CCDED4B2@D7BX6Z0J> Anyone out there that has a data sheet on the NE868898, its an fairly old C-band Power Gasfet ? many thanks 73, Peter G3LTF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Only running 25W to the 3.7m dish. So if you can hear me there's nothing much wrong with your receiver hi! If anyone would like to test either on 15th or 16th or before I'd be pleased to try. I would particularly like to try for JA. But due to high trees to the east my window is limited. 14th 02:30z - 11:00z, 15th 03:30z - 12:30z and 16th 04:30z - 13:30z. 73 and I hope to CU on 6cms Brian G4NNS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090811/f2b1ebbc/attachment.htm From i5wbe at i5wbe.it Wed Aug 12 13:20:15 2009 From: i5wbe at i5wbe.it (Enrico Baldacci) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:20:15 +0000 Subject: [Moon] A.R.I. XVI Italian EME Contest 2009, rules Message-ID: <4A82A56F.10206@i5wbe.it> Hello Emer's this is a reminder : A.R.I. XVI Italian EME Contest 2009, rules Period: from 00.00 UTC of 12th.September 2009 to 24.00 UTC of 13th. September 2009 Bands: 50 MHz and up, only via Moon reflection Modes: CW, SSB . Categories for bands 144 and 432 MHz: Stations are subdivided by power and type of antenna employed. For yagis the total length, in wavelengths, is considered (distance reflector-last director multiplied by the number of yagis in the array), for parabolic reflectors the dish diameter is considered. At 144MHz 1 wl = 2,08 meters = 82" = 6' 10" At 432 MHz 1 wl = 0.694 meters = 27".340 Band 144 MHz (Cat. A, B, C, D, E, F) Note: Stations with cross yagis or circular polarization are classified separately. Yagi Dish up to 5 wl A > 5 wl,up to 10 wl <7m (23') B >10 wl,up to 20 wl <10m (33') C >20 wl, up to 40 wl >10m (33') D > 40 wl, up to 80 wl >14m (46') E >over 80 wl F Band 432 MHz (A, B, C, D, E): Yagi Dish up to 18 wl A >18 wl,up to 36 wl <3,05m (10') B >36 wl,up to 72 wl <4,57m (15') C >72 wl, up to 144 wl >4,57m (14') D >over 144 wl E Bands 50 MHz, 1,3 GHz and up: One category per band, independently from power and antenna. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Downgrading: If the first of each category scores less than the first of the lower category, the whole category is moved into the lower. Points: For bilateral QSOs: 10 points, 31 points with Italian stations, 10 points between Italian stations. Italian stations, and eventual foreigners operating in Italy, will be classified separately from the rest of the world. SWLs: A station heard can be inserted as correspondent no more than twice. Points: 10 for each station heard in QSO, 31 if Italian. Prizes: A prize will be sent to the first of each category. A certificate will be sent to all the participants who sent the log in. If somebody wins more than one category, he gets only one prize and certificates for the other categories won, while the prize for these categories goes to the second placed and will be so inscribed. Log: By e-mail to i5wbe"@"i5wbe.it (it will be confirmed upon reception) Logs should be received on 30th November 2009 at the latest. The log must contain a general section with Call, Name, Address (including e-mail), QTH Locator, Band, Category, PA Power, Antenna dimensions and type. The QSO log must contain Date, Hour, Mode, Call, Points, and Total Points. Comments and other info are welcome. The Manager of Italian E.M.E. Contest I5WBE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090812/1e6b6fba/attachment.htm From v.d.heide at on-line.de Wed Aug 12 15:10:02 2009 From: v.d.heide at on-line.de (Klaus von der Heide) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:10:02 +0200 Subject: [Moon] An Open Letter/QSO or not?? In-Reply-To: <94CCBB452429416CA7CDEC029066A8C5@Buero> References: <4A3FDDEE01013ABC@tr13.bluewin.ch>, <94CCBB452429416CA7CDEC029066A8C5@Buero> Message-ID: <4A82DB4A.25391.158069E@v.d.heide.on-line.de> Hello Bodo, Bernd and All, my assumption is that an honest operator will send a report not before he received the callsign of the other station via the radio waves. This is what Lars SM4IVE said in other words. In a sked, the level of confidence may be low. Let in a sked for example the confidence of each of the six characters of a callsign be 80%. The probability that all six characters are correct then is only 0.8^6 which gives 26%. Such a low probability of a callsign to be correct is not adequate for a random QSO. But you got all characters in the sked, so it may be accepted. Let the necessary confidence of a callsign to be correct be 95% in a random QSO. Then the necessary confidence of each of the characters must be 0.95^(1/6) which is larger than 99%! This makes clear why a sked is so much easier. In other words: If you receive my callsign in a sked then you know it, and no information transfer will take place. Really no? If we demand for the reception of one out of all possible calls, then we get the information that the actual received signal indeed transports "DJ5HG" at a probability that is larger than for any other call. Yes, we did not get information through the call itself, but we got the information hat the actual signal indeed transports the known call and not any other. The amount of this information is the same as in a random contact. If a digital communication system in a sked sets the confidence level lower in the same way and if it behaves as in a random contact then all is ok. Then we would not have this discussion. But the "DeepSearch" decoder introduced in JT65 excludes possible decodes instead of lowering the confidence. Let me explain it at the example of transportation of large texts. Now let both operators agree to exclude all the billions of books except from the Bible and the Koran. Both stations have identical versions on their computers. The only missing knowledge at the receiving end is which of both the other sends. A correlation of the received signal with both known signals at the receiving end yields two correlation values. One of them will be significantly higher and will lead to the confident selection of one of the books as the "received" one. But none of the characters really need to be received. Indeed, only one bit has been received in this case with high confidence and not the whole text with low confidence. And only two agreed codewords have been used for the information transport, the Bible and the Koran, instead of a code which allowes all possible books. That is a fundamental difference. Here we only received one bit of information, not the Bible or the Koran as a text. This bit is used to select the stored text to display it as the "received" result. If we would have received the whole text we could compare the received text letter by letter with the stored copy. This fundamental difference is the cause of the actual discussion. It will not stop until the community makes one of the following clear statements: (1) For a valid QSO it is NOT necessary to communicate callsigns via the radio path. (2) For a valid QSO it is necessary to communicate callsigns. The decoder in use within this communcation (human or computer) must be able to receive any licensed amateur radio callsign. 73! Klaus, DJ5HG > Hello Klaus, > > so, the operator receives my callsign through the logger, > what happened? > > He knows that I am calling and we all know, that > in CW a known callsign is easier to decipher.....Therefore > the "qso" went trough quite easily. > > Was he using the announced information within a running QSO or not?? > In my opinion yes. So the qso should be invalid, as you stated. > > > > 73 Bodo/DL2FCN From la9nea at online.no Wed Aug 12 20:43:54 2009 From: la9nea at online.no (Viggo Magnus LA9NEA) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:43:54 +0200 Subject: [Moon] LA9NEA qrv with 2.85 meter summer dish Message-ID: Hello All 23 and 13 cm eme operators The 2.85 meter ''summer-dish'' is preparered for the upcoming weekend. QRV on 23 cm saturday 15 aug., and change feed to 13 cm on sunday 16 aug. I will be qrv on HB9Q logger during operation time.Most time on CW but will also listen for some JT65c activity.This is the last weekend qrv with the 2.85 meter solid dish this year............. NEWS: During heavy snow fall last winter my 5,.3 meter ''winter'' mesh dish get some demage on some of the ribs.All ribs are now rebuild during this summer, and the reinstalling of the 5.3 meter will start sunday 23 aug.The antenna will be ready to weekend 12,13 september. 73' Viggo LA9NEA LA9NEA 23 cm EME set up: Icom 756 pro II TR1296H trv Kuhne 6 x 7289 ring PA ,400 watt, water-cooled 2.85 meter dish VE4MA Feed 1.stage preamp.Cavity NE32484 0.28 dB 2.stage Kuhne MGF 4953A 0.4 dB JO59dx Autotracking by W2DRZ F1EHN at screen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090813/5332b32d/attachment.htm From ingolf.fhz at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 07:01:42 2009 From: ingolf.fhz at gmail.com (Ingolf, SM6FHZ) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:01:42 +0200 Subject: [Moon] 1296 MHz EME activity SM6FHZ Message-ID: Dear 23 cm Moonbouncers, I plan to be active on 23 cm EME this coming weekend. Saturday August 15th from about 0500Z to about 1030Z, possibly longer. Sunday August 16th from about 0500Z to about 1100Z, possibly longer. I have worked on my western horizon tree blockage, but have not yet checked the new limits. I hope to have gained at least one hour of moon time. I will stay on the moon as long as the signals are usable. During my 9 months on 23 cm EME, I have heard a number of stations with good signals that I have not been able to contact. I would very much like to QSO the following stations that have been heard but not QSO'ed yet: CT1DMK, DL1HYZ, G3LQR, G4CBW, HB9Q, IK5WJD, JA4LJB, JA8ERE, OZ6OL, VE4MA, VE4SA and W4OP. There are also a number of stations reported to be on, that I have not heard yet, that would be a real treat to work as well. I will be listening up and down the band and call CQ as well. You will find me slightly above 1296.020 MHz when CQ-ing (adapting to the level of activity). I do hope to see a lot of stations on the band! I will not have internet access during the weekend when working EME (remote location). 73 / Ingolf, SM6FHZ -- Ingolf, SM6FHZ http://www.2ingandlin.se/SM6FHZ.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090814/0ad26b1c/attachment.htm From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp Fri Aug 14 09:14:18 2009 From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:14:18 +0900 Subject: [Moon] 5.7GHz Activity weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090814071418444.IOFB.8223.wememta101.odn.ne.jp@mta101.odn.ne.jp> JH1KRC would like to check the 5.7G system in the EU window, 0100-0200 of Aug. 16. The system performance is still unknown. 4.4m dish, >400w at TX, 30m+ WR-137 waveguide Tracking window is very limited. If anyone has a sked, will try to watch it. QRG 5760.100MHz (prefered) Mike JH1KRC ---- eme wrote: > WW2R will be qrv on receive only on this weekends 5.7GHz A/W. > > Work has prevented me from completing the logistics on the TX side. I have > not even had time to make the feed choke so RX performance wont be optimum > > Dave > > ww2r > > 3.1m dish. 0.8dB nf. 50W TX (eventually) From brian-coleman at tiscali.co.uk Fri Aug 14 10:05:42 2009 From: brian-coleman at tiscali.co.uk (Brian Coleman) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:05:42 +0100 Subject: [Moon] 6cm activity weekend Message-ID: <617B1311075D459D913DBF21CCD71CA0@OFFICEMACHINE> Hello 6cm people Thanks to JA6CZD and DF9QX for the tests this morning for #11 and #12. If anyone else would like to test I can be QRV until my moonset at ~ 11:00z Or tomorrow from 03:30z . I will, of course, be QRV for my remaining skeds on Joe's list. 73 Brian G4NNS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The RA3AQ feed is the one for f/d 0.37-0.45 and I measured an amazing 37dB isolation, could be even higher. The preamp is a W5LUA design with ATF36077 which I measure as 0.7-0.75dB Hoping for some results tomorrow, maybe even a QSO or two. 73 GL Peter G3LTF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090814/4c4ec689/attachment.htm From f2tu.philippe at orange.fr Fri Aug 14 22:08:05 2009 From: f2tu.philippe at orange.fr (F2TU Philippe) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:08:05 +0200 Subject: [Moon] 5.7 GHz In-Reply-To: <007501ca1c8e$448fa9c0$6401a8c0@your7008ffa13b> References: <200908130846.n7D8ktJF021369@smtpout2.pt.lu> <007501ca1c8e$448fa9c0$6401a8c0@your7008ffa13b> Message-ID: <4A85C425.3000403@orange.fr> Hello, I will be qrv Saturday 08:30 - 10:00 and 11:00 - 13:00. Also qrv Sunday. 7.8 m dish, 35 Wout on the feed. 73 Philippe F2TU http://F2TU.perso.orange.fr From g3ltf at btinternet.com Sat Aug 15 16:19:40 2009 From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:19:40 +0100 Subject: [Moon] 6cm AW results G3LTF Message-ID: <6F4DBC74D7CE485CBA38E37FB90A4695@D7BX6Z0J> I was not able to transmit today due to water getting behind a small PCB socket and permanantly activating the Tx inhibit line, this took a lot of finding but all is OK and I hope to do some tests with big guns tomorrow. Power is only about 7W at the feed. I measured moon noise today as 0.6-0.7dB, the wind was a big problem. I heard ES5PC, WD5AGO, G4NNS,OK1KIR, OE9REC, CT1DMK, F2TU, W5LUA, LX1DB. I will be QRV tomorrow from about 0600Z. GL 73 Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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GL 73 -- Philippe PIERRAT - F2TU http://F2TU.perso.orange.fr From f2tu.philippe at orange.fr Sun Aug 16 11:02:52 2009 From: f2tu.philippe at orange.fr (F2TU Philippe) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:02:52 +0200 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] 5.7 GHz EME In-Reply-To: <004d01ca1df8$bb30e880$6401a8c0@your7008ffa13b> References: <200908151357.n7FDvDgW012789@smtpout1.pt.lu> <003e01ca1dc8$4227f4e0$6401a8c0@your7008ffa13b> <002d01ca1df6$2e3ab480$8ab01d80$@com> <004d01ca1df8$bb30e880$6401a8c0@your7008ffa13b> Message-ID: <4A87CB3C.2050109@orange.fr> Hi Paul, A sked possible? But before 15:30 ( trees) 73 Philippe PIERRAT - F2TU http://F2TU.perso.orange.fr Paul Chominski a ?crit : > > Hi All, > > I checked my transverter in the lab at home. Using Rubidium standard > locking siggen at 960 MHz I am getting harmonic at 5760.00 MHz. IF > output at the spectrum analyzer is at 144.100 MHz. My 16 MHz OCXO > based calibrator in the shack indicated 144.130 MHz. > It looks that I was about 30 kHz too high in frequency. > > I can propose new skeds: > > 16 August on 5760.160 MHz WA6PY always second > > 1100Z OE9ERC - WA6PY > 1130Z OK1KIR - WA6PY > 1200Z W5LUA - WA6PY > > I am using horizontal linear polarization. Due to the burst of man > made noise I can not always use Moon Noise to track the Moon > TX power at the feed is 7 W TWT out 15W. > > If those skeds are OK, PSE confirm. I do not have internet in the > shack, but I will check email 30 min before first sked. > > VY 73 Paul WA6PY > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erich Rupprechter, OE9ERC" > > To: "'Paul Chominski'" > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:17 PM > Subject: 5.7 GHz EME > > > Hello Paul > > Sorry, I heard you no on the Sked. > I worked ON6TA, he have also only a 2.3 m offset, linear pol, 7 W at > feed! > I would like a new Sked with you on Sunday > > 73 the Erich, oe9erc > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net > [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] Im Auftrag von Paul > Chominski > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. August 2009 18:49 > An: Willi Bauer; 'Brian Coleman'; 'Moon Net' > Betreff: Re: [Moon-net] WA6PY on 5.7 GHz > > Hi All, > I am sorry, I did not heard any station. I will debug my system. I > have to > build CP feed and increase TX power. > > Is it any know way to squeeze mor power from RW85 TWT? > > TNX GL 73 Paul WA6PY > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > From dl5mae at yahoo.de Sun Aug 16 12:06:14 2009 From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:06:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Moon] modern expeditions Message-ID: <679882.94639.qm@web23702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear OM, A) if you are a humor-less person then please delete this ??? message before reading B) if you are a communication freak then please read carefully ??? my operation procedures. I am sure you really like to work me! C) if you are a RADIO enthusiast then the FIRST and the LAST line (PS:) ??? of the DXped announcement will be enough to read! DXpedition announcement: QRV: XYZ9MAE and ABC9MAE -17th of Aug ...20th of Aug - 24hrs a day ???????? 2m EME from? ZZ00YY locator Callsign: We will tell you beforehand each QSO what callsign we will ?????????????? use. Last time we got too many complaints when we changed ?????????????? the callsigns randomly during operation Contact: We are not sure if we will have good internet access. ????????????? We try to check in in as many chatsrooms as possible. ???????????? ????????????? Also follow us on twitter and? http://2meme.xyz9mae.com/ ????????????? Email please to: xyz9mae at yahoo.com ???????????? We are standby on telnet as well. ??????????? In any case you always may talk to us on skype. ??????????? Also, our ICQ will be announced later. ??????????? If the land-line fails then please try to contact us on cellphone! ??????????? 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URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090816/32e4a9e0/attachment.htm From pchomins at san.rr.com Sun Aug 16 12:12:18 2009 From: pchomins at san.rr.com (Paul Chominski) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 03:12:18 -0700 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] 5.7 GHz EME References: <200908151357.n7FDvDgW012789@smtpout1.pt.lu> <003e01ca1dc8$4227f4e0$6401a8c0@your7008ffa13b> <002d01ca1df6$2e3ab480$8ab01d80$@com><004d01ca1df8$bb30e880$6401a8c0@your7008ffa13b> <4A87CB3C.2050109@orange.fr> Message-ID: <001e01ca1e5a$0a350fe0$6401a8c0@your7008ffa13b> 1230 F2TU- WA6PY 5760.160 TNX 73 WA6PY ----- Original Message ----- From: "F2TU Philippe" To: "Moon" ; "Moon-Net" Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] 5.7 GHz EME Hi Paul, A sked possible? But before 15:30 ( trees) 73 Philippe PIERRAT - F2TU http://F2TU.perso.orange.fr Paul Chominski a ?crit : > > Hi All, > > I checked my transverter in the lab at home. Using Rubidium standard > locking siggen at 960 MHz I am getting harmonic at 5760.00 MHz. IF > output at the spectrum analyzer is at 144.100 MHz. My 16 MHz OCXO > based calibrator in the shack indicated 144.130 MHz. > It looks that I was about 30 kHz too high in frequency. > > I can propose new skeds: > > 16 August on 5760.160 MHz WA6PY always second > > 1100Z OE9ERC - WA6PY > 1130Z OK1KIR - WA6PY > 1200Z W5LUA - WA6PY > > I am using horizontal linear polarization. Due to the burst of man > made noise I can not always use Moon Noise to track the Moon > TX power at the feed is 7 W TWT out 15W. > > If those skeds are OK, PSE confirm. I do not have internet in the > shack, but I will check email 30 min before first sked. > > VY 73 Paul WA6PY > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erich Rupprechter, OE9ERC" > > To: "'Paul Chominski'" > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:17 PM > Subject: 5.7 GHz EME > > > Hello Paul > > Sorry, I heard you no on the Sked. > I worked ON6TA, he have also only a 2.3 m offset, linear pol, 7 W at > feed! > I would like a new Sked with you on Sunday > > 73 the Erich, oe9erc > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net > [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] Im Auftrag von Paul > Chominski > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. August 2009 18:49 > An: Willi Bauer; 'Brian Coleman'; 'Moon Net' > Betreff: Re: [Moon-net] WA6PY on 5.7 GHz > > Hi All, > I am sorry, I did not heard any station. I will debug my system. I > have to > build CP feed and increase TX power. > > Is it any know way to squeeze mor power from RW85 TWT? > > TNX GL 73 Paul WA6PY > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list From ok1vpz at seznam.cz Sun Aug 16 14:58:04 2009 From: ok1vpz at seznam.cz (Vladimir Petrzilka) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:58:04 +0200 Subject: [Moon] modern expeditions In-Reply-To: <679882.94639.qm@web23702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear all the Wolfgangs article is not a humor, but just embarrassing message characterize the writer confusing. All smart and experienced EME operators know very well, that WSJT QSO has in fact the same level validity as CW QSO, because "deep search algorithm" works not only in your computer in case of MGM QSO, but the very same process is running subconsciously in your brain in case of CW QSO, because number of CW stations active on the EME is limited and well known. So, any negative marketing in the last time period, managed by "big antenna experts" can not change anything on this fact. The conclusion is simple -> the main difference is not between digital (CW) QSO and MGM QSO, but between (any) honest QSO and lack of hamspirit QSO. However it doesn't prevent splitting of EME Contests into two parts, if it will be by contest participants requested. Experienced EME operators with good HW should take a membership in both of such parts to support EME newcommers. Howgh Vladimir OK1VPZ PS: Although I am not active on EME now, I am participating on EME operation under other call sign within last 30 years. More: www.ok2kkw.com -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Schlaffer Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:06 PM To: moon at moonbounce.info Subject: [Moon] modern expeditions Dear OM, A) if you are a humor-less person then please delete this message before reading B) if you are a communication freak then please read carefully my operation procedures. I am sure you really like to work me! C) if you are a RADIO enthusiast then the FIRST and the LAST line (PS:) of the DXped announcement will be enough to read! DXpedition announcement: QRV: XYZ9MAE and ABC9MAE -17th of Aug ...20th of Aug - 24hrs a day 2m EME from ZZ00YY locator Callsign: We will tell you beforehand each QSO what callsign we will use. Last time we got too many complaints when we changed the callsigns randomly during operation Contact: We are not sure if we will have good internet access. We try to check in in as many chatsrooms as possible. Also follow us on twitter and http://2meme.xyz9mae.com/ Email please to: xyz9mae at yahoo.com We are standby on telnet as well. In any case you always may talk to us on skype. Also, our ICQ will be announced later. If the land-line fails then please try to contact us on cellphone! The number you may find on qrz.com under my biography. Every SMS will be answered! vy 73 de WOlfgang for the XYZ9MAE team! PS: ALmost forget - our operation QRG will be 144.100 MHz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All smart and experienced EME operators know very well, that WSJT QSO has in fact the same level validity as CW QSO, because "deep search algorithm" works not only in your computer in case of MGM QSO, but the very same process is running subconsciously in your brain in case of CW QSO, because number of CW stations active on the EME is limited and well known. So, any negative marketing in the last time period, managed by "big antenna experts" can not change anything on this fact. The conclusion is simple -> the main difference is not between digital (CW) QSO and MGM QSO, but between (any) honest QSO and lack of hamspirit QSO. However it doesn't prevent splitting of EME Contests into two parts, if it will be by contest participants requested. Experienced EME operators with good HW should take a membership in both of such parts to support EME newcommers. Howgh Vladimir OK1VPZ PS: Although I am not active on EME now, I am participating on EME operation under other call sign within last 30 years. More: www.ok2kkw.com -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Schlaffer Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:06 PM To: moon at moonbounce.info Subject: [Moon] modern expeditions Dear OM, A) if you are a humor-less person then please delete this message before reading B) if you are a communication freak then please read carefully my operation procedures. I am sure you really like to work me! C) if you are a RADIO enthusiast then the FIRST and the LAST line (PS:) of the DXped announcement will be enough to read! DXpedition announcement: QRV: XYZ9MAE and ABC9MAE -17th of Aug ...20th of Aug - 24hrs a day 2m EME from ZZ00YY locator Callsign: We will tell you beforehand each QSO what callsign we will use. Last time we got too many complaints when we changed the callsigns randomly during operation Contact: We are not sure if we will have good internet access. We try to check in in as many chatsrooms as possible. Also follow us on twitter and http://2meme.xyz9mae.com/ Email please to: xyz9mae at yahoo.com We are standby on telnet as well. In any case you always may talk to us on skype. Also, our ICQ will be announced later. If the land-line fails then please try to contact us on cellphone! The number you may find on qrz.com under my biography. Every SMS will be answered! vy 73 de WOlfgang for the XYZ9MAE team! PS: ALmost forget - our operation QRG will be 144.100 MHz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090816/2d6c1588/attachment-0001.htm From eme_ww2r at g4fre.com Sun Aug 16 15:40:20 2009 From: eme_ww2r at g4fre.com (eme) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:40:20 -0500 Subject: [Moon] WW2R 5.7GHz Activity weekend results In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I ended up with an even less optimal setup. Due to a 23cm sked commitment i ended up fitting the (chokeless) 6cm feed inside the 23cm feed horn, which wont have helped blockage I did however on saturday copy fb signals from LX1DB. Also copied G4NNS, OE9ERC and a drifting OK1? I hope to have the proper 6cm system running by next month. The copper choke material is on its way! Dave ww2r -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On Behalf Of eme Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:51 PM To: Moon Reflector Subject: [Moon] 5.7GHz Activity weekend WW2R will be qrv on receive only on this weekends 5.7GHz A/W. Work has prevented me from completing the logistics on the TX side. I have not even had time to make the feed choke so RX performance wont be optimum Dave ww2r 3.1m dish. 0.8dB nf. 50W TX (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090816/92c358b9/attachment.htm From v.d.heide at on-line.de Sun Aug 16 16:51:20 2009 From: v.d.heide at on-line.de (Klaus von der Heide) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:51:20 +0200 Subject: [Moon] modern expeditions In-Reply-To: References: <679882.94639.qm@web23702.mail.ird.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <4A883908.16357.43EB25@v.d.heide.on-line.de> Hello Vladimir, hello All, here some comments by DJ5HG: > Dear all > > the Wolfgangs article is not a humor, but just embarrassing message > characterize the writer confusing. All smart and experienced EME > operators know very well, that WSJT QSO has in fact the same level > validity as CW QSO, because "deep search algorithm" works not only in > your computer in case of MGM QSO, but the very same process is running > subconsciously in your brain in case of CW QSO, because number of CW > stations active on the EME is limited and well known. Comment: Yes, the same validity "none" as a completely cheating CW operator who interpretes the pure indication of a signal as the callsigs. In both cases callsigns are not exchanged. > So, any negative marketing in the last time period, managed by "big > antenna experts" can not change anything on this fact. > The conclusion is simple -> the main difference is not between digital > (CW) QSO and MGM QSO, but between (any) honest QSO and lack of hamspirit > QSO. Comment: Yes, also true. But digital modes with an inbuilt perfectly implemented cheat-option that is switched on by default and used by everybody are VERY VERY different from some individal cheating operators. The speed limit in a village may be 50 km/h. Truly, there are some drivers at higher speed. That causes a factory to bring to market a vehicle that cannot be slower than 100 km/h. Now many buy and use it. Because the others also drive so fast. What you can buy you can try. Fortunately, the argumentation of humans in most cases is different from that of radio amateurs. > However it doesn't prevent splitting of EME Contests into two parts, if > it will be by contest participants requested. Experienced EME operators > with good HW should take a membership in both of such parts to support > EME newcommers. > > Howgh > Vladimir OK1VPZ > > PS: Although I am not active on EME now, I am participating on EME > operation under other call sign within last 30 years. > > More: www.ok2kkw.com > Once again: DeepSearch cannot communicate callsings. So every contact that used DS is not a valid QSO. It's so simple. Why organize such contest at all that allow DS? And also once again: Please do not use the insination that some individuals violate rules as an argument for a general abrogation of laws. 73 de Klaus, DJ5HG From dfaessler at bluewin.ch Sun Aug 16 17:06:28 2009 From: dfaessler at bluewin.ch (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dominique_F=E4ssler_=28HB9BBD=29?=) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:06:28 +0200 Subject: [Moon] modern expeditions In-Reply-To: References: <679882.94639.qm@web23702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007201ca1e83$24e050b0$6ea0f210$@ch> Vladimir Sorry, what you state here is simply wrong. Any assistance destroys the EME content. WSJT has no validity as long as I get QSL?s for ? QSO ? I have never had on deedoodle mode. I am not involved in this. There is no internet option at my EME site and thus I gladly state that there is no assistance, whether you like it or not. You are simply wrong in your statement and it will remain wrong even repeating this nonsense endlessly. Again, those falling asleep on the stretcher on their mountain trip to Mount Everest are no climbers at all 73 HB9BBD Von: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] Im Auftrag von Vladimir Petrzilka Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. August 2009 14:58 An: moon at moonbounce.info Betreff: Re: [Moon] modern expeditions Dear all the Wolfgangs article is not a humor, but just embarrassing message characterize the writer confusing. All smart and experienced EME operators know very well, that WSJT QSO has in fact the same level validity as CW QSO, because "deep search algorithm" works not only in your computer in case of MGM QSO, but the very same process is running subconsciously in your brain in case of CW QSO, because number of CW stations active on the EME is limited and well known. So, any negative marketing in the last time period, managed by "big antenna experts" can not change anything on this fact. The conclusion is simple -> the main difference is not between digital (CW) QSO and MGM QSO, but between (any) honest QSO and lack of hamspirit QSO. However it doesn't prevent splitting of EME Contests into two parts, if it will be by contest participants requested. Experienced EME operators with good HW should take a membership in both of such parts to support EME newcommers. Howgh Vladimir OK1VPZ PS: Although I am not active on EME now, I am participating on EME operation under other call sign within last 30 years. More: www.ok2kkw.com -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Schlaffer Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:06 PM To: moon at moonbounce.info Subject: [Moon] modern expeditions Dear OM, A) if you are a humor-less person then please delete this message before reading B) if you are a communication freak then please read carefully my operation procedures. I am sure you really like to work me! C) if you are a RADIO enthusiast then the FIRST and the LAST line (PS:) of the DXped announcement will be enough to read! DXpedition announcement: QRV: XYZ9MAE and ABC9MAE -17th of Aug ...20th of Aug - 24hrs a day 2m EME from ZZ00YY locator Callsign: We will tell you beforehand each QSO what callsign we will use. Last time we got too many complaints when we changed the callsigns randomly during operation Contact: We are not sure if we will have good internet access. We try to check in in as many chatsrooms as possible. Also follow us on twitter and http://2meme.xyz9mae.com/ Email please to: xyz9mae at yahoo.com We are standby on telnet as well. In any case you always may talk to us on skype. Also, our ICQ will be announced later. If the land-line fails then please try to contact us on cellphone! The number you may find on qrz.com under my biography. Every SMS will be answered! vy 73 de WOlfgang for the XYZ9MAE team! PS: ALmost forget - our operation QRG will be 144.100 MHz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090816/cd81d572/attachment.htm From dl5mae at yahoo.de Sun Aug 16 17:15:38 2009 From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:15:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Moon] modern expeditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <150618.81508.qm@web23701.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear Vladimir, did my post? refer?? to? any? mode ???? Read again and answer by yourself! Ahoj es vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang --- Vladimir Petrzilka schrieb am So, 16.8.2009: Von: Vladimir Petrzilka Betreff: Re: [Moon] modern expeditions An: moon at moonbounce.info Datum: Sonntag, 16. August 2009, 14:58 Zpr?va Dear all ? the Wolfgangs article is not a humor, but just embarrassing message characterize the writer confusing. All smart and experienced EME operators know very well, that WSJT QSO has in fact the same level validity as CW QSO, because "deep search algorithm" works not only in your computer in case of MGM QSO, but?the very same process is running subconsciously in your brain in case of CW QSO, because number of CW stations active on the EME is limited and well known. So,?any negative marketing in the last time period, managed by "big antenna experts" can not change anything on this fact. The conclusion is simple -> the main difference is not between digital (CW) QSO and MGM QSO, but between (any) honest QSO and lack of hamspirit QSO. However it doesn't prevent splitting of EME Contests into two parts, if it will be by contest participants requested. Experienced EME operators with good HW should take a membership in both of such parts to support EME newcommers. ? Howgh Vladimir OK1VPZ ? PS: Although I am not active on EME now, I am participating? on?EME operation under other call sign within last 30 years. ? More: www.ok2kkw.com ? ? -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Schlaffer Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:06 PM To: moon at moonbounce.info Subject: [Moon] modern expeditions Dear OM, A) if you are a humor-less person then please delete this ??? message before reading B) if you are a communication freak then please read carefully ??? my operation procedures. I am sure you really like to work me! C) if you are a RADIO enthusiast then the FIRST and the LAST line (PS:) ??? of the DXped announcement will be enough to read! DXpedition announcement: QRV: XYZ9MAE and ABC9MAE -17th of Aug ...20th of Aug - 24hrs a day ???????? 2m EME from? ZZ00YY locator Callsign: We will tell you beforehand each QSO what callsign we will ?????????????? use. Last time we got too many complaints when we changed ?????????????? the callsigns randomly during operation Contact: We are not sure if we will have good internet access. ????????????? We try to check in in as many chatsrooms as possible. ???????????? ????????????? Also follow us on twitter and? http://2meme.xyz9mae.com/ ????????????? Email please to: xyz9mae at yahoo.com ???????????? We are standby on telnet as well. ??????????? In any case you always may talk to us on skype. ??????????? Also, our ICQ will be announced later. ??????????? If the land-line fails then please try to contact us on cellphone! ??????????? The number you may find on?? qrz.com? under my biography. ??????????? Every SMS will be answered! ??????????? vy 73 de WOlfgang for the XYZ9MAE team! 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Worked this fine EME stations this weekend with my 2.85 meter solid '' summer dish'' 15 aug. 23 cm SM5CFS JT65c Best - 21 dB VE6TA CW 549/449 K2UYH JT65c -11 dB SM6FHZ CW 539/ O 16 aug 13 cm, all CW SP6GWN 539 / M LZ1DX O / RO SM2CEW 549/519 SP6OPN 549/549 VE6TA RO/O The ''summer dish'' will be stowed away for the winter time.The 5.3 meter mesh dish will be ready to the AW in the middle of september. 73 Viggo LA9NEA LA9NEA 23 cm EME set up: Icom 756 pro II TR1296H trv Kuhne 6 x 7289 ring PA ,400 watt 2.85 meter dish VE4MA Feed 1.stage preamp.Cavity NE32484 0.28 dB 2.stage Kuhne MGF 4953A 0.4 dB JO59dx Autotracking by W2DRZ, F1EHN at screen. 13 cm 2.85 meter dish,250 watt SSPA, VE4MA Feed. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090816/05a8f56d/attachment.htm From sm2cew at telia.com Sun Aug 16 18:10:32 2009 From: sm2cew at telia.com (Peter Sundberg) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:10:32 +0000 Subject: [Moon] modern expeditions In-Reply-To: <679882.94639.qm@web23702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090816160737.B0BD116967F@mail.allt1.se> Wow Wolfgang, Your concept sounds just like a presently ongoing fantastic 6m EME expedition to EX. It is said on Moon-Net (by W7GJ) that anyone with a 6m yagi and an amplifier can work the EX-expedition. However, on their website they state the following to insure that those precious JT65-contacts can be made: ----------------------------------------------------------------- "4) Online communication. Most likely we will be available for online Internet based chat from the DXpedition site. We will be active on MSN as mchirkov at olmitec.com This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it , ICQ as 29400140, Yahoo as mchirkov and on Skype as mchirkov as well as on ON4KST site as EX7MW. In case if we loose Internet connection, we can be reached by sending text messages to our cellular phones. The exact cell phone numbers will be announced later." ----------------------------------------------------------------- Now, that should provide enough communication channels to ensure that the JT65 Deep Search module is loaded with all needed info at both ends to be able to print full calls on the screen. And for the RO, RRR and 73 you just need to watch for two lines on the spectran screen as their presence is the info you need, nothing else. Hard to compare this to the 2320 MHz random contacts I made today on CW EME.. CW is King. 73 de Peter SM2CEW www.sm2cew.com At 10:06 2009-08-16 , Wolfgang Schlaffer wrote: > > Dear OM, > > A) if you are a humor-less person then please delete this > message before reading > > B) if you are a communication freak then please read carefully > my operation procedures. I am sure you really like to work me! > > C) if you are a RADIO enthusiast then the FIRST and the LAST line (PS:) > of the DXped announcement will be enough to read! > > > DXpedition announcement: > > QRV: XYZ9MAE and ABC9MAE -17th of Aug ...20th of Aug - 24hrs a day > 2m EME from ZZ00YY locator > > Callsign: We will tell you beforehand each QSO what callsign we will > use. Last time we got too many complaints when we changed > the callsigns randomly during operation > > Contact: We are not sure if we will have good internet access. > We try to check in in as many chatsrooms as possible. > > Also follow us on twitter and http://2meme.xyz9mae.com/ > > Email please to: xyz9mae at yahoo.com > > We are standby on telnet as well. > > In any case you always may talk to us on skype. > Also, our ICQ will be announced later. > > If the land-line fails then please try to contact us on > cellphone! > The number you may find on qrz.com under my biography. > > Every SMS will be answered! > > > vy 73 de WOlfgang for the XYZ9MAE team! > > PS: ALmost forget - our operation QRG will be 144.100 MHz > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove > you from the list From joe at Princeton.EDU Sun Aug 16 18:20:40 2009 From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:20:40 -0400 Subject: [Moon] Integrity and validity of contacts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8831D8.5040809@princeton.edu> Dear EME Friends, Some 11 months ago, SM5BSZ posted on his home page a clear and straightforward statement entitled "Integrity and Validity of Contacts". In case you have an interest in such matters, I recommend it to your attention. A direct link to it is http://www.sm5bsz.com/wsjt/debate.htm This statement includes a link to an article on the same topic that appeared in QTC, the Swedish amateur radio magazine. An English translation of that article is available at http://www.sm5bsz.com/wsjt/qtc8-08en.htm -- 73, Joe, K1JT From ve6ta at clearwave.ca Sun Aug 16 20:08:47 2009 From: ve6ta at clearwave.ca (Grant Furnald) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:08:47 -0000 Subject: [Moon] VE6TA 23 and 13 cm Weekend Results Message-ID: Folks: I managed to work the following fine stations on cw EME this weekend. There were a few challenges with my elevation indication. I found the encoder bearing packed full of dirt after the dry summer we have been having. This caused the elevation indication to stick more and more often. A good cleaning with some contact cleaner and canned air appearred to do the trick. Worked on 1296; SM6FHZ, LA9NEA, DF3RU, DL3EBJ #, IW2FZR, VK4CDI # Phil was running 45 w and a 3.7 meter dish, VK2JDS #. Worked on 2304/2320; SM2CEW, LZ1DX, LA9NEA #, SP6OPN #. With the arrival of a new switching supply from WA9FWD I was able to give the twin spectrian amps a bit of a workout. No problem now running at a sustained 300w output on 13 cm, which gives better echoes. Probably about 150-200w at the feed now. QSB was very pronounced on 13 cm this weekend which made fast CW copy difficult due to the characters being chopped up. 73's and thanks for all of the exciting QSO's. Grant VE6TA DO33gs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090816/a6f8cc82/attachment.htm From g3ltf at btinternet.com Sun Aug 16 23:48:02 2009 From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:48:02 +0100 Subject: [Moon] G3LTF 6cm AW results second pass. Message-ID: <8DE8E860D8A64AD2BDD530DA65A3DAC2@D7BX6Z0J> Today the transmit side (7W) worked as well as the rx side and I was able to see a faint echo on the SDR as soon as I tested. I could also just hear it, very exciting! I called CQ and was answered by OK1KIR followed by F2TU and OE9ERC and ES5PC. Next I worked G4NNS and DF9QX but by this time I was having big problems with the wind moving the dish. I then worked W5LUA. I heard PA0EHG and also IK2RTI . So in all I heard 12 stations and worked 7 which I am very, very happy with considering that a week ago everything was still in separate bits, some only half built and completely un-integrated. My thanks to Brian, G4NNS for the loan of the amplifier and of course for his efforts in organising it all. Lots to do to analyse the overall performance and select where to focus for improvements. For info the dish is 6m 0.375 f/d with the centre 4m in 6mm mesh, the rest is 12mm. The receive side is ATF36077 preamp built to W5LUA design, NF 0.7-0.75dB, The feed is RA3AQ design for 0.37-0.45 dimensions scaled from 3.4GHz data. The idea is to under illuminate and use the fine mesh section but its obviously doing more than that judging from the beamwidth. Very many thanks to all for the QSOs and the fun. GL 73 Peter G3LTF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090816/18557b90/attachment.htm From brian-coleman at tiscali.co.uk Mon Aug 17 10:14:34 2009 From: brian-coleman at tiscali.co.uk (Brian Coleman) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:14:34 +0100 Subject: [Moon] 6cm Activity Weekend Message-ID: Thanks to all who participated in the 6cm Activity weekend but especially to Peter who lead the way with his 9cm activity weekend, Joe for running the sked list and Hans for hosting the station performance information at:- http://home.kpn.nl/alphe078/ . If you have not already done so please send Hans your information. I made 15 QSOs with 14 stations including 5 initials bringing my total to 15 and even some SSB. I also managed to make polar plots of the antenna with both Circular and Linear feeds and record some echoes with both systems to compare spreading. Results can be found at my updated web page http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/g4nns/index.html follow the link to 5.7GHz EME. Areas needing improvement have been identified so a very useful weekend. Are there any 100W power transistors for 5.7GHz Out there ?? !!! Vy 73 Brian G4NNS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090817/ad17539a/attachment-0001.htm From oz1ff at mail.dk Mon Aug 17 14:24:40 2009 From: oz1ff at mail.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kjeld_B=FClow_Thomsen?=) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:24:40 +0200 Subject: [Moon] Assisted versus unassisted - CW versus WSJT - Skeds versus random Message-ID: <001101ca1f35$b1fbd700$15f38500$@dk> To the EME-community, I have now for some years been working on my station to get ready for being active on EME. To learn how to do, I have subscribed to the EME-reflectors. Based upon the discussions of the previous weeks I have learned that working EME is like selling elastic by the meter ? It demands a high degree of moral. To my opinion the discussion is now again nearby deteriorating into a war of religion. So fellows ? now it is time to stop this useless discussion and go back to the radios and computers (also used for tracking the moon!). Vy 73 de OZ1FF - Kjeld mailto:oz1ff at mail.dk http://www.oz1ff.dk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090817/ef905e21/attachment.htm From mail01 at df9cy.de Mon Aug 17 16:44:44 2009 From: mail01 at df9cy.de (Christoph Petermann) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:44:44 +0200 Subject: [Moon] Offer: 432MHz Amplifier Message-ID: <4A896CDC.5010902@df9cy.de> Dear EME friends, I offer a Power Amplifier for 70cm / 432MHz ! It is a very rugged construction consisting of the three main components: * HV Transformer * Power Supply for all voltages incl. 28V TX for coaxial relays * Power Amplifier with YL1050 in complete copper housing incl. blower also incl. high power circulator; some medium power dummy loads and a high power coaxial relay (N-type). Some "jumper" cables are there as well. The whole stuff is not big but very heavy. The amplifier needs about 60 watts of drive power and will have about 14 dB of gain. The amplifier has been built by Dieter Broeker DK1UV, and I have made my first 70cm QSOs with it about 27 years ago. I wanted to put something up for 70cm again this year, but massive health problems keep me away from doing so. Its a pity. We, Dieter and I, want to have this superb amp go into the hands of an ambitious amateur who is or who wants to become QRV on 70cm EME, which I think is a superb band for this. We offer this amplifier to the EME community and if you are interested, please send an email or phone +49-4308-182050. We do not put a price here; we are sure we get a "solution" ... 73 de Christoph -- Christoph Petermann DF9CY || www.df9cy.de || www.cpetermann.de From w7cs at theriver.com Sun Aug 16 16:59:21 2009 From: w7cs at theriver.com (Chuck Smallhouse) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 07:59:21 -0700 Subject: [Moon] Moon Digest, Vol 34, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090816075923.B852733@dm0213.mta.everyone.net> Dear Friends of the CW Nations, Haven't you all begun to realize why the digital operators are so defensive ? It's that they don't know the Morse code, don't want to learn it or are afraid to use it. In the US (and I now think most of the other countries) there is no requirement to test for the Amateur Radio license using Morse code. So more and more of our active operators are not Morse code or CW knowledgeable. They couldn't be able to operate EME, even if they had a large station. They're too lazy to learn the Morse code and too lazy to improve their station and operate the old legal way. How many times have us "old timers" worked single yagi stations with only 4 yagis on our end! Not easy and probably not on the first try, but we stuck to it until we did. I finally begin to understand, when I was trying to work a DX station, on 10 GHz during our contest yesterday. This fellow had an "Extra" class license (our highest level) and admitted that he didn't know Morse code. He said that he wasn't required to know it to get and pass his Extra class license. However, he did say that he has been studying to learn it so he could, when necessary. communicate in experimental operations like 10 GHz DX. Yes there are some experienced CW operators that now use the digital modes, but only so they can work some questionable contacts with those who don't and won't know the Morse code. When I first started working EME my CW skills were quite poor. However after many hundred 2M EME QSOs I was able to build my CW copying speed up enough to pass the 20 WPM test, for an Extra class license. Chuck, W7CS At 06:14 AM 8/16/2009, moon-request at moonbounce.info wrote: >Send Moon mailing list submissions to > moon at moonbounce.info > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > moon-request at moonbounce.info > >You can reach the person managing the list at > moon-owner at moonbounce.info > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Moon digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. modern expeditions (Wolfgang Schlaffer) > 2. Re: [Moon-net] 5.7 GHz EME (Paul Chominski) > 3. Re: modern expeditions (Vladimir Petrzilka) > 4. Re: modern expeditions (Lars Pettersson) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:06:14 +0000 (GMT) >From: Wolfgang Schlaffer >Subject: [Moon] modern expeditions >To: moon at moonbounce.info >Message-ID: <679882.94639.qm at web23702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Dear OM, > >A) if you are a humor-less person then please delete this >??? message before reading > >B) if you are a communication freak then please read carefully >??? my operation procedures. I am sure you really like to work me! > >C) if you are a RADIO enthusiast then the FIRST and the LAST line (PS:) >??? of the DXped announcement will be enough to read! > > >DXpedition announcement: > >QRV: XYZ9MAE and ABC9MAE -17th of Aug ...20th of Aug - 24hrs a day >???????? 2m EME from? ZZ00YY locator > >Callsign: We will tell you beforehand each QSO what callsign we will >?????????????? use. Last time we got too many complaints when we changed >?????????????? the callsigns randomly during operation > >Contact: We are not sure if we will have good internet access. >????????????? We try to check in in as many chatsrooms as possible. >???????????? >????????????? Also follow us on twitter and? http://2meme.xyz9mae.com/ > >????????????? Email please to: xyz9mae at yahoo.com > >???????????? We are standby on telnet as well. > >??????????? In any case you always may talk to us on skype. >??????????? Also, our ICQ will be announced later. > >??????????? If the land-line fails then please try to contact us on >cellphone! >??????????? The number you may find on?? qrz.com? under my biography. > >??????????? Every SMS will be answered! > >??????????? >vy 73 de WOlfgang for the XYZ9MAE team! > >PS: ALmost forget - our operation QRG will be 144.100 MHz > > > > > > > > > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090816/32e4a9e0/attachment.html > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 03:12:18 -0700 >From: "Paul Chominski" >Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] 5.7 GHz EME >To: "F2TU Philippe" , "Moon" > , "Moon-Net" >Message-ID: <001e01ca1e5a$0a350fe0$6401a8c0 at your7008ffa13b> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > >1230 F2TU- WA6PY 5760.160 > >TNX 73 WA6PY > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "F2TU Philippe" >To: "Moon" ; "Moon-Net" > >Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:02 AM >Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] 5.7 GHz EME > > > >Hi Paul, >A sked possible? But before 15:30 ( trees) >73 > >Philippe PIERRAT - F2TU >http://F2TU.perso.orange.fr > > > >Paul Chominski a ?crit : > > > > Hi All, > > > > I checked my transverter in the lab at home. Using Rubidium standard > > locking siggen at 960 MHz I am getting harmonic at 5760.00 MHz. IF > > output at the spectrum analyzer is at 144.100 MHz. My 16 MHz OCXO > > based calibrator in the shack indicated 144.130 MHz. > > It looks that I was about 30 kHz too high in frequency. > > > > I can propose new skeds: > > > > 16 August on 5760.160 MHz WA6PY always second > > > > 1100Z OE9ERC - WA6PY > > 1130Z OK1KIR - WA6PY > > 1200Z W5LUA - WA6PY > > > > I am using horizontal linear polarization. Due to the burst of man > > made noise I can not always use Moon Noise to track the Moon > > TX power at the feed is 7 W TWT out 15W. > > > > If those skeds are OK, PSE confirm. I do not have internet in the > > shack, but I will check email 30 min before first sked. > > > > VY 73 Paul WA6PY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erich Rupprechter, OE9ERC" > > > > To: "'Paul Chominski'" > > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:17 PM > > Subject: 5.7 GHz EME > > > > > > Hello Paul > > > > Sorry, I heard you no on the Sked. > > I worked ON6TA, he have also only a 2.3 m offset, linear pol, 7 W at > > feed! > > I would like a new Sked with you on Sunday > > > > 73 the Erich, oe9erc > > > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net > > [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] Im Auftrag von Paul > > Chominski > > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. August 2009 18:49 > > An: Willi Bauer; 'Brian Coleman'; 'Moon Net' > > Betreff: Re: [Moon-net] WA6PY on 5.7 GHz > > > > Hi All, > > I am sorry, I did not heard any station. I will debug my system. I > > have to > > build CP feed and increase TX power. > > > > Is it any know way to squeeze mor power from RW85 TWT? > > > > TNX GL 73 Paul WA6PY > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Moon mailing list >Moon at moonbounce.info >http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove >you from the list > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:58:04 +0200 >From: "Vladimir Petrzilka" >Subject: Re: [Moon] modern expeditions >To: >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Dear all > >the Wolfgangs article is not a humor, but just embarrassing message >characterize the writer confusing. All smart and experienced EME >operators know very well, that WSJT QSO has in fact the same level >validity as CW QSO, because "deep search algorithm" works not only in >your computer in case of MGM QSO, but the very same process is running >subconsciously in your brain in case of CW QSO, because number of CW >stations active on the EME is limited and well known. >So, any negative marketing in the last time period, managed by "big >antenna experts" can not change anything on this fact. >The conclusion is simple -> the main difference is not between digital >(CW) QSO and MGM QSO, but between (any) honest QSO and lack of hamspirit >QSO. >However it doesn't prevent splitting of EME Contests into two parts, if >it will be by contest participants requested. Experienced EME operators >with good HW should take a membership in both of such parts to support >EME newcommers. > >Howgh >Vladimir OK1VPZ > >PS: Although I am not active on EME now, I am participating on EME >operation under other call sign within last 30 years. > >More: www.ok2kkw.com > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] >On Behalf Of Wolfgang Schlaffer >Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:06 PM >To: moon at moonbounce.info >Subject: [Moon] modern expeditions > > >Dear OM, > >A) if you are a humor-less person then please delete this > message before reading > >B) if you are a communication freak then please read carefully > my operation procedures. I am sure you really like to work me! > >C) if you are a RADIO enthusiast then the FIRST and the LAST line (PS:) > of the DXped announcement will be enough to read! > > >DXpedition announcement: > >QRV: XYZ9MAE and ABC9MAE -17th of Aug ...20th of Aug - 24hrs a day > 2m EME from ZZ00YY locator > >Callsign: We will tell you beforehand each QSO what callsign we will > use. Last time we got too many complaints when we changed > > the callsigns randomly during operation > >Contact: We are not sure if we will have good internet access. > We try to check in in as many chatsrooms as possible. > > Also follow us on twitter and http://2meme.xyz9mae.com/ > > Email please to: xyz9mae at yahoo.com > > We are standby on telnet as well. > > In any case you always may talk to us on skype. > Also, our ICQ will be announced later. > > If the land-line fails then please try to contact us on >cellphone! > The number you may find on qrz.com under my biography. > > Every SMS will be answered! > > >vy 73 de WOlfgang for the XYZ9MAE team! > >PS: ALmost forget - our operation QRG will be 144.100 MHz > > > > > > > > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090816/435010f2/attachment-0001.htm > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:14:02 +0200 >From: "Lars Pettersson" >Subject: Re: [Moon] modern expeditions >To: , >Message-ID: <59DA97C66E904F64A052B240B25AEAD0 at RADIO> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Zpr?vaYou got? to be kidding me. > >because number of CW stations active on the EME is limited and well known > >So what you say there are just a number of known stations. > >Seems that you never have been QRV on EME. > >So you think that its fair play that a single yagi station with >deepsearch ant Internet can win the contest over a guy with 16 yagis >in cw and no assistance. > >This is ridicules. > >Sm4IVE Lars > > Dear all > > the Wolfgangs article is not a humor, but just embarrassing > message characterize the writer confusing. All smart and > experienced EME operators know very well, that WSJT QSO has in fact > the same level validity as CW QSO, because "deep search algorithm" > works not only in your computer in case of MGM QSO, but the very > same process is running subconsciously in your brain in case of CW > QSO, because number of CW stations active on the EME is limited and > well known. > So, any negative marketing in the last time period, managed by > "big antenna experts" can not change anything on this fact. > The conclusion is simple -> the main difference is not between > digital (CW) QSO and MGM QSO, but between (any) honest QSO and lack > of hamspirit QSO. > However it doesn't prevent splitting of EME Contests into two > parts, if it will be by contest participants requested. Experienced > EME operators with good HW should take a membership in both of such > parts to support EME newcommers. > > Howgh > Vladimir OK1VPZ > > PS: Although I am not active on EME now, I am participating on > EME operation under other call sign within last 30 years. > > More: www.ok2kkw.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info > [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Schlaffer > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:06 PM > To: moon at moonbounce.info > Subject: [Moon] modern expeditions > > > Dear OM, > > A) if you are a humor-less person then please delete this > message before reading > > B) if you are a communication freak then please read carefully > my operation procedures. I am sure you really like to work me! > > C) if you are a RADIO enthusiast then the FIRST and the > LAST line (PS:) > of the DXped announcement will be enough to read! > > > DXpedition announcement: > > QRV: XYZ9MAE and ABC9MAE -17th of Aug ...20th of Aug - 24hrs a day > 2m EME from ZZ00YY locator > > Callsign: We will tell you beforehand each QSO what > callsign we will > use. Last time we got too many complaints > when we changed > the callsigns randomly during operation > > Contact: We are not sure if we will have good internet access. > We try to check in in as many chatsrooms as > possible. > > Also follow us on twitter > and http://2meme.xyz9mae.com/ > > Email please to: xyz9mae at yahoo.com > > We are standby on telnet as well. > > In any case you always may talk to us on skype. > Also, our ICQ will be announced later. > > If the land-line fails then please try to > contact us on cellphone! > The number you may find on qrz.com under > my biography. > > Every SMS will be answered! > > > vy 73 de WOlfgang for the XYZ9MAE team! > > PS: ALmost forget - our operation QRG will be 144.100 MHz > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite > and remove you from the list >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090816/2d6c1588/attachment.htm > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Moon mailing list >Moon at moonbounce.info >http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > >End of Moon Digest, Vol 34, Issue 21 >************************************ From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp Mon Aug 17 19:04:51 2009 From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 2:04:51 +0900 Subject: [Moon] 6cm Activity Weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090817170451608.IZTQ.24527.wememta102.odn.ne.jp@mta102.odn.ne.jp> Hello Brian, and all who operated 5.7G last weekend, Congratulations on the good success. I wish I could have joined in it.... I would write something in my EME pages of the next issue of JA CQ magazine. Before I start transmission, I found a crack in flexible WG line connected to the dish feed. So I did not operate last Sunday.. SRI but I have no internet in my shack and not send current info. And what's worse is the AZ motor stopped working! I do not visit my shack so often, maybe once in a month, driving a car for 2.5 hours (4 hours from my working place). Since most of my shack components are used ones, many things go down from time to time. So it take time to construct, or repair (this might be main job for me now! ), and completely loose time to operate! I wish I would not loose time to repair next.... BTW, measuring VSWR in GHz region, orthodox slotted lines, waveguide or coaxial, are useful for me. By measuring some filter, for example, which looks good enough in the insertion loss, I find very high VSWR, even 5 or so, using a simple slotted line with a diode rectifier. Since I am not a pro engineer, this finding appeared to me very amazing. (SRI, but it should be a common sense for the pro's.) In such a case, it is apparent that impeduce mis-matching itself might cause measuring error (if proper isolators are not used in the measuring lines). Mike JH1KRC ---- Brian Coleman wrote: > Thanks to all who participated in the 6cm Activity weekend but especially to Peter who lead the way with his 9cm activity weekend, Joe for running the sked list and Hans for hosting the station performance information at:- http://home.kpn.nl/alphe078/ . If you have not already done so please send Hans your information. > > I made 15 QSOs with 14 stations including 5 initials bringing my total to 15 and even some SSB. I also managed to make polar plots of the antenna with both Circular and Linear feeds and record some echoes with both systems to compare spreading. Results can be found at my updated web page http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/g4nns/index.html follow the link to 5.7GHz EME. > > Areas needing improvement have been identified so a very useful weekend. > > Are there any 100W power transistors for 5.7GHz Out there ?? !!! > > > > Vy 73 Brian G4NNS From w5lua at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 17 23:54:00 2009 From: w5lua at sbcglobal.net (Al Ward) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:54:00 -0000 Subject: [Moon] 6cm EME Activity Report Message-ID: <04C43E40281F443E93E8C0745AE4B1CF@Al1> Hello 6cm EME enthusiasts Thanks to G4NNS for promoting the 6cm activity weekend and also thanks to K1RQG for help in scheduling. Over several days of activity I was able to work WD5AGO, JA6CZD #31, HB9SV #32, OE9ERC, F2TU, ES5PC, G4NNS, LX1DB on SSB, PA0EHG #33, CT1DMK, OK1KIR, OE9ERC on SSB, G3LTF #34, DF9QX #35 and JA4BLC for a total of 15 QSOs. My system is a 5M dish and 90 watts at the feed. I am very happy with my WD5AGO septum feed. Most time signals were nearly T9 with very little spreading. I guess we need a similar activity period for 3cm ,maybe in September? Best 73 Al W5LUA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was on sked with Paul-WA6PY but heard nothing nothing also on sked with Barry-VE4MA. My cndx are the usual 5.6m / CP / 45W / 0.6dB / 1.2dB moon noise. Luis Cupido. ct1dmk. From w5lua at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 18 02:49:12 2009 From: w5lua at sbcglobal.net (Al Ward) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:49:12 -0000 Subject: [Moon] IW2FZR email Message-ID: <266E16D8EB77430B8C2308ABEA4B5B88@Al1> Hello EMEers Does anyone have a good email address for Dario IW2FZR? The one in the EME email list bounces. Thanks and 73 Al W5LUA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks and 73 Al W5LUA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090818/416b47e0/attachment.htm From brian-coleman at tiscali.co.uk Tue Aug 18 14:46:28 2009 From: brian-coleman at tiscali.co.uk (Brian Coleman) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:46:28 +0100 Subject: [Moon] 3cm Activity weekend Message-ID: <649E586828894A819193B742E1C9571A@OFFICEMACHINE> Hello Al Yes I think your 3cm activity weekend idea is a good one. I can be QRV for the first pass and maybe an hour or two of the second pass before I go to the Crawley Microwave Round Table (meeting) on the 13th. Vy 73 Brian. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090818/c9421225/attachment.htm From w5lua at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 18 15:18:18 2009 From: w5lua at sbcglobal.net (Al Ward) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:18:18 -0000 Subject: [Moon] IW2FZR email address Message-ID: <0E50B1B4B1C74EB1947D9BA91E7EC1A5@Al1> Hello EMEers Thanks for the many responses on Dario's email address. Best 73 Al W5LUA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090818/dbb3d764/attachment.htm From w5lua at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 18 15:22:15 2009 From: w5lua at sbcglobal.net (Al Ward) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:22:15 -0000 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] 3cm Activity weekend In-Reply-To: <649E586828894A819193B742E1C9571A@OFFICEMACHINE> Message-ID: <18A2019991374543A8D0C07846DBE68F@Al1> Brian Thanks for the support. We can also take advantage of the ARRL microwave EME contest on November 7th and 8th for a second activity period for 3cm. I will be QRV on 3cm for both events. Best 73 Al W5LUA -----Original Message----- From: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] On Behalf Of Brian Coleman Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:46 PM To: Moon Net Cc: Moon Reflector Subject: [Moon-net] 3cm Activity weekend Hello Al Yes I think your 3cm activity weekend idea is a good one. I can be QRV for the first pass and maybe an hour or two of the second pass before I go to the Crawley Microwave Round Table (meeting) on the 13th. Vy 73 Brian. _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html From w5lua at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 18 16:20:05 2009 From: w5lua at sbcglobal.net (Al Ward) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:20:05 -0000 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] 3cm Activity Weekend Proposal In-Reply-To: <200908181505.11753.chris@chris-bartram.co.uk> Message-ID: <5EEE9638CD9E4269B6D43D4F52A5517B@Al1> Chris I am trying to make the 3cm activity weekends coincide with existing EME contests. As I expressed concern in not disrupting the ARI contest, I have the same concern about not disrupting the ARRL EME contest which as I understand are as follows. Sept 12/13 ARI analog 6M through 10 GHz Oct 10/11 ARRL 50 MHz through 1296 MHz Nov 7/8 ARRL Microwave 2.3 GHz and up Dec 5/6 ARRL 50 MHz through 1296 MHz So maybe the best solution is to support both contests on 3 cm on the given dates with the understanding that 3cm activity may be down in Nov compared to September. We can always pick up 3cm again in the dead of winter! But we should leave that for 24 GHz when the moisture absorption is lower, at least in Texas. 73 Al W5LUA -----Original Message----- From: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] On Behalf Of Chris Bartram Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:05 PM To: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net Subject: Re: [Moon-net] 3cm Activity Weekend Proposal Hello Al > Good idea but take into account that on that weekend is the UKW Tagung in > Weinheim Germany and a lot of VHF UHF and SHFers are there so may be a > weekend later?? Perhaps it would be even better to move the weekend to October 10 - 11? Weinheim is a major European VHF/UHF/Microwave meeting, and I suspect that there would be very little activity from Germany and the surrounding countries if we used the proposed weekend. The following weekend has a double disadvantage: southerly declination, and a close Sun. The weekend before, 05 - 06 September, might be a good choice, although the losses are higher than those of us with relatively small stations might like! Vy 73 Chris GW4DGU _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html From f2tu.philippe at orange.fr Tue Aug 18 22:02:01 2009 From: f2tu.philippe at orange.fr (F2TU Philippe) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:02:01 +0200 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] 3cm Activity Weekend Proposal In-Reply-To: <5EEE9638CD9E4269B6D43D4F52A5517B@Al1> References: <5EEE9638CD9E4269B6D43D4F52A5517B@Al1> Message-ID: <4A8B08B9.6050003@orange.fr> Hello, For the September 12-13, good idea , we must ask the Emers DL, OK, PA, UA .... QRV 10 GHz. For me, I prefer a 10 GHz EME weekend rather than Weinheim. vy 73 Philippe PIERRAT - F2TU http://F2TU.perso.orange.fr Al Ward a ?crit : > Chris > I am trying to make the 3cm activity weekends coincide with existing EME > contests. As I expressed concern in not disrupting the ARI contest, I have > the same concern about not disrupting the ARRL EME contest which as I > understand are as follows. > Sept 12/13 ARI analog 6M through 10 GHz > Oct 10/11 ARRL 50 MHz through 1296 MHz > Nov 7/8 ARRL Microwave 2.3 GHz and up > Dec 5/6 ARRL 50 MHz through 1296 MHz > So maybe the best solution is to support both contests on 3 cm on the given > dates with the understanding that 3cm activity may be down in Nov compared > to September. > We can always pick up 3cm again in the dead of winter! But we should leave > that for 24 GHz when the moisture absorption is lower, at least in Texas. > 73 > Al W5LUA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net > [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] On Behalf Of Chris Bartram > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:05 PM > To: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net > Subject: Re: [Moon-net] 3cm Activity Weekend Proposal > > Hello Al > > >> Good idea but take into account that on that weekend is the UKW Tagung in >> Weinheim Germany and a lot of VHF UHF and SHFers are there so may be a >> weekend later?? >> > > Perhaps it would be even better to move the weekend to October 10 - 11? > Weinheim is a major European VHF/UHF/Microwave meeting, and I suspect that > there would be very little activity from Germany and the surrounding > countries > if we used the proposed weekend. The following weekend has a double > disadvantage: southerly declination, and a close Sun. The weekend before, 05 > - > 06 September, might be a good choice, although the losses are higher than > those of us with relatively small stations might like! > > Vy 73 > > Chris > GW4DGU > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > > From vladimir.masek at volny.cz Tue Aug 18 22:12:03 2009 From: vladimir.masek at volny.cz (vladimir.masek at volny.cz) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:12:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Moon] EME 6cm AW as seen by OK1KIR Message-ID: FYI: First 6cm EME AW as seen by OK1KIR Very hot sunny days accompanied great activity during the first EME 6cm AW organized by Brian, G4NNS and supported by sked maker Joe, K1RQG. Very fruitful discussion on Moon-net before the AW brought a lot of new technical info and measured performance parameters what surely helped to make some eleventh hour improvements. On Sat, Aug15 OK1KIR opened the CW log with HB9SV #31 O/549, followed by OE9ERC 559/559, G4NNS 549/569, ES5PC 549/569, F2TU 569/569, LX1DB 569/569, PA0EHG #32 559/559 & DXCC 19, W5LUA 569/569 and CT1DMK 549/549. Totally 9 stns. On Su,Aug16 we added CW QSOs with JA6CZD 559/559, JA4BLC 549/559, G3LTF #33 M/O, DF9QX #34 549/539 and IK2RTI 559/569 for the total 14 stns. Nil with LP from ON5TA (just several traces at T level on Aug15) and completely nil from WA6PY. Both promised to change to CP and looking for higher rf pwr. We missed WD5AGO for improper time mgmt, Moon disappeared, hi. During Sunday morning we spent time on digi modes 6cm EME trials. First we tried JT65C with Viljo, ES5PC. Unfortunately, we were not able to decode Viljo?s transmition, probably because of too wide spread of signals ( ?60-80 Hz), fast Doppler change and relatively weak signals. Moon was close to Zenith with high declination at that time. Without success remained the second trial even with stronger signal from Erich, OE9ERC. After that we swapped to JT4G mode. We have had no experience with it so far. A few periods we spent on setting all parameters properly. With that we decoded Viljo's signal very easy like with JT65 modes on 70 or 23cm. BTW, signal levels indicated in JT4G were higher than at JT65C trials (-25/-21dB). Afterwards we completed very easy our second JT4G QSO with Erich, OE9ERC (-20/-17). The signals at both QSOs were audible on TRX speaker. Viljo dropped a funny comment on HB9Q logger: ??. it seems to be much easier and faster to make CW QSO than a JT one?? (should it be applauded by the CW sticklers, hi). Jan, OK1VAO made a few screen shots of JT4G QSOs available on [1]http://www.ok1kir.cz/5760/05760_JT4G.htm. During AW we measured G/CS 4 dB, Sun 14,3 dB (SF 67) and Moon 1,25 dB. Mni tnx to Brian, G4NNS and Joe, K1RQG for AW organizing and skeds arrangement. Looking forward for the third AW on 3cm proposed on Sep12-13. Just must get all pieces back together to get our rig again operational, hi. OK1DAI,OK1VAO & OK1DAK for OK1KIR Reference 1. http://www3-mail.volny.cz/~~e0651a64ed2a3db8a7f6bc8961d064df/app/linkview.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ok1kir.cz%2F5760%2F05760_JT4G.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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TNX 73 Paul WA6PY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Ward" To: "'Chris Bartram'" ; Cc: "'Moon Reflector'" Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] 3cm Activity Weekend Proposal > Chris > I am trying to make the 3cm activity weekends coincide with existing EME > contests. As I expressed concern in not disrupting the ARI contest, I have > the same concern about not disrupting the ARRL EME contest which as I > understand are as follows. > Sept 12/13 ARI analog 6M through 10 GHz > Oct 10/11 ARRL 50 MHz through 1296 MHz > Nov 7/8 ARRL Microwave 2.3 GHz and up > Dec 5/6 ARRL 50 MHz through 1296 MHz > So maybe the best solution is to support both contests on 3 cm on the > given > dates with the understanding that 3cm activity may be down in Nov compared > to September. > We can always pick up 3cm again in the dead of winter! But we should leave > that for 24 GHz when the moisture absorption is lower, at least in Texas. > 73 > Al W5LUA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net > [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] On Behalf Of Chris Bartram > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:05 PM > To: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net > Subject: Re: [Moon-net] 3cm Activity Weekend Proposal > > Hello Al > >> Good idea but take into account that on that weekend is the UKW Tagung in >> Weinheim Germany and a lot of VHF UHF and SHFers are there so may be a >> weekend later?? > > Perhaps it would be even better to move the weekend to October 10 - 11? > Weinheim is a major European VHF/UHF/Microwave meeting, and I suspect that > there would be very little activity from Germany and the surrounding > countries > if we used the proposed weekend. The following weekend has a double > disadvantage: southerly declination, and a close Sun. The weekend before, > 05 > - > 06 September, might be a good choice, although the losses are higher than > those of us with relatively small stations might like! > > Vy 73 > > Chris > GW4DGU > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Please enter/update your standings: > http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html > > When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and > remove you from the list > From mail01 at df9cy.de Wed Aug 19 11:27:22 2009 From: mail01 at df9cy.de (Christoph Petermann) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:27:22 +0200 Subject: [Moon] YL1050 432MHz Amplifier (No II) Message-ID: <4A8BC57A.1040506@df9cy.de> Hi all, I had a number of mails concerning this amplifier: Here is a bit more of information for you all: * Weight is around 100kg for the whole set. * The amplifier shall be picked up here, or I can bring it around, if it is not "too far". Best is always a personal contact where I can give some hints and advice. * So I will not ship it to the U.S. * Images are here: http://www.df9cy.de/afusale.htm * I have asked Dieter to dig out some schematics, if he still has them. * For any question: contact me please. Greetings and 73 de Christoph DF9CY ---- Dear EME friends, I offer a Power Amplifier for 70cm / 432MHz ! It is a very rugged construction consisting of the three main components: * HV Transformer * Power Supply for all voltages incl. 28V TX for coaxial relays * Power Amplifier with YL1050 in complete copper housing incl. blower also incl. high power circulator; some medium power dummy loads and a high power coaxial relay (N-type). Some "jumper" cables are there as well. The whole stuff is not big but very heavy. The amplifier needs about 60 watts of drive power and will have about 14 dB of gain. The amplifier has been built by Dieter Broeker DK1UV, and I have made my first 70cm QSOs with it about 27 years ago. I wanted to put something up for 70cm again this year, but massive health problems keep me away from doing so. Its a pity. We, Dieter and I, want to have this superb amp go into the hands of an ambitious amateur who is or who wants to become QRV on 70cm EME, which I think is a superb band for this. We offer this amplifier to the EME community and if you are interested, please send an email or phone +49-4308-182050. We do not put a price here; we are sure we get a "solution" ... 73 de Christoph -- Christoph Petermann DF9CY || www.df9cy.de || www.cpetermann.de From brian-coleman at tiscali.co.uk Wed Aug 19 17:11:58 2009 From: brian-coleman at tiscali.co.uk (Brian Coleman) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:11:58 +0100 Subject: [Moon] 10GHz Message-ID: Hello All Have re rigged for 10GHz and am available for tests if anyone wants one. 73 Brian G4NNS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In addition to the technical program, we will have antenna gain measuring from 902 MHz and up, noise figure measurement from VHF through 80 GHz, network analysis through 40 GHz (trying hard to get the equipment to go to 50GHz), and a phase noise workshop. The ladies program will again be informal and consists of local activities for both Friday and Saturday. Details to follow. Although surplus is drying up in the DFW area, we still have a number of places to visit during the Thursday surplus tour. Once the list is finalized, it will be made available on the web site. It should still be worth while to join us on Thursday. We will have the customary Saturday night banquet along with a nice prize table. We will also have a sit down lunch on Friday with guest speaker Gerald Youngblood K5SDR, President of Flex Radio who will give us a technical overview of the various Software Defined Radio technologies. We are in the process of automating on-line registration including the use of pay-pal. We hope to have registration on-line some next week. We appreciate your patience. As always, we are interested in additional papers for the proceedings. You don't have to speak in order to have your paper appear in the proceedings. So if you have some clever idea you want to publish or an article you would like to generate that is amateur microwave related please send it along to Kent WA5VJB at WA5VJB at flash.net. If you have any questions, please feel free to email me at w5lua at sbcglobal.net or Steve Hicks at n5ac at n5ac.com Looking forward to seeing you all in Dallas on October, 22, 23, and 24th. Thanks and 73 Al Ward W5LUA August 19, 2009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090820/2370691f/attachment.htm From eme_ww2r at g4fre.com Thu Aug 20 14:43:30 2009 From: eme_ww2r at g4fre.com (eme) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:43:30 -0500 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] 3cm Activity Weekend Proposal In-Reply-To: <5EEE9638CD9E4269B6D43D4F52A5517B@Al1> Message-ID: The nov 7/8 2G+ weekend will already be impacted by the Martlesham round table in england on Nov 8 which normally attracts 6+ 2g+ capable EMErs. Not sure why it got moved from its traditional october spot. Dave -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On Behalf Of Al Ward Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:20 AM To: 'Chris Bartram'; moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net Cc: 'Moon Reflector' Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] 3cm Activity Weekend Proposal Chris I am trying to make the 3cm activity weekends coincide with existing EME contests. As I expressed concern in not disrupting the ARI contest, I have the same concern about not disrupting the ARRL EME contest which as I understand are as follows. Sept 12/13 ARI analog 6M through 10 GHz Oct 10/11 ARRL 50 MHz through 1296 MHz Nov 7/8 ARRL Microwave 2.3 GHz and up Dec 5/6 ARRL 50 MHz through 1296 MHz So maybe the best solution is to support both contests on 3 cm on the given dates with the understanding that 3cm activity may be down in Nov compared to September. We can always pick up 3cm again in the dead of winter! But we should leave that for 24 GHz when the moisture absorption is lower, at least in Texas. 73 Al W5LUA -----Original Message----- From: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] On Behalf Of Chris Bartram Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:05 PM To: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net Subject: Re: [Moon-net] 3cm Activity Weekend Proposal Hello Al > Good idea but take into account that on that weekend is the UKW Tagung in > Weinheim Germany and a lot of VHF UHF and SHFers are there so may be a > weekend later?? Perhaps it would be even better to move the weekend to October 10 - 11? Weinheim is a major European VHF/UHF/Microwave meeting, and I suspect that there would be very little activity from Germany and the surrounding countries if we used the proposed weekend. The following weekend has a double disadvantage: southerly declination, and a close Sun. The weekend before, 05 - 06 September, might be a good choice, although the losses are higher than those of us with relatively small stations might like! Vy 73 Chris GW4DGU _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.59/2310 - Release Date: 08/17/09 18:04:00 From w5lua at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 15:20:26 2009 From: w5lua at sbcglobal.net (Al Ward) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:20:26 -0000 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] 3cm Activity Weekend Proposal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <05621D707BB74698857B5563F464F680@Al1> Dave Trying to keep all EMEers on all bands happy. Big job. Al -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On Behalf Of eme Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:44 PM To: 'Moon Reflector' Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] 3cm Activity Weekend Proposal The nov 7/8 2G+ weekend will already be impacted by the Martlesham round table in england on Nov 8 which normally attracts 6+ 2g+ capable EMErs. Not sure why it got moved from its traditional october spot. Dave -----Original Message----- From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]On Behalf Of Al Ward Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:20 AM To: 'Chris Bartram'; moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net Cc: 'Moon Reflector' Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] 3cm Activity Weekend Proposal Chris I am trying to make the 3cm activity weekends coincide with existing EME contests. As I expressed concern in not disrupting the ARI contest, I have the same concern about not disrupting the ARRL EME contest which as I understand are as follows. Sept 12/13 ARI analog 6M through 10 GHz Oct 10/11 ARRL 50 MHz through 1296 MHz Nov 7/8 ARRL Microwave 2.3 GHz and up Dec 5/6 ARRL 50 MHz through 1296 MHz So maybe the best solution is to support both contests on 3 cm on the given dates with the understanding that 3cm activity may be down in Nov compared to September. We can always pick up 3cm again in the dead of winter! But we should leave that for 24 GHz when the moisture absorption is lower, at least in Texas. 73 Al W5LUA -----Original Message----- From: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] On Behalf Of Chris Bartram Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:05 PM To: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net Subject: Re: [Moon-net] 3cm Activity Weekend Proposal Hello Al > Good idea but take into account that on that weekend is the UKW Tagung in > Weinheim Germany and a lot of VHF UHF and SHFers are there so may be a > weekend later?? Perhaps it would be even better to move the weekend to October 10 - 11? Weinheim is a major European VHF/UHF/Microwave meeting, and I suspect that there would be very little activity from Germany and the surrounding countries if we used the proposed weekend. The following weekend has a double disadvantage: southerly declination, and a close Sun. The weekend before, 05 - 06 September, might be a good choice, although the losses are higher than those of us with relatively small stations might like! Vy 73 Chris GW4DGU _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.59/2310 - Release Date: 08/17/09 18:04:00 _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://www.moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Please enter/update your standings: http://www.vhf-dx.net/top.html When you decide to remain anonymous I may consider this unpolite and remove you from the list From pa3cwn at tele2.nl Fri Aug 21 12:29:09 2009 From: pa3cwn at tele2.nl (Oene) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:29:09 +0200 Subject: [Moon] TH327 for sale Message-ID: <4A8E76F5.5@tele2.nl> Hello All A good friend of mine PA1C has 4 x TH327 for sale and I will forward all emails to him. For sale: 4x Thomson TH327 pulls. Looking good, but no guarantee. Vy 73 Oene PA3CWN From sm2cew at telia.com Fri Aug 21 20:43:43 2009 From: sm2cew at telia.com (Peter Sundberg) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:43:43 +0000 Subject: [Moon] Dubus 144 MHz CW EME activity August 22 Message-ID: <20090821184044.D6EBD370D0@mail.allt1.se> Moonbouncers, Just a reminder, these are the times for the Dubus 144 MHz CW EME activity tomorrow: 22 August 0830 - 1130 GMT 22 August 1530 - 1830 GMT Fq 144.040-144.060 I will be QRV as long as I can see the moon. The declination is rather low so I have trees obstructing my moon visibility on rise and set. The next Dubus CW activity event is in December as we are now heading into the contest season, so hoping to see some good activity tomorrow. Good luck to all, 73 de Peter SM2CEW www.sm2cew.com From john at sygonnex.co.za Fri Aug 21 20:44:37 2009 From: john at sygonnex.co.za (John Sygo) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:44:37 +0200 Subject: [Moon] August EME activity Event Message-ID: Good Day Moon Bouncers. I will be active on the moon during the times given 22 August. Please listen for the little signal from Africa HIHI. 73..........see you on the moon. Jon ZS6JON From oz1hne at post8.tele.dk Fri Aug 21 22:09:07 2009 From: oz1hne at post8.tele.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgen_Kristiansen?=) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:09:07 +0200 Subject: [Moon] OZ1HNE QRV 144MHz DUBUS CW EME Event, Message-ID: <20090821200901.JZME770.fep45.mail.dk@pcjon> Hi EME'ers, I will be QRV tomorrow 22. August in both parts of the 144MHz DUBUS CW EME Event at 0830- 1130 UTC. and 1530 - 1830 UTC. Good luck to all and I hope to hear a lot of signals on the band. If any stations would like to try a sked with me the comming days, please send me a mail. Best 73, OZ1HNE Jorgen. 8 x 8 elm. crossyagi's H / V and 8877. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The more signals there are on the moon the better for Ronny to test his system. I will start - 1st 2.5 minutes - at 12:45z with my echoes near 10368.100. I will be on the HB9Q 2304 and up EME chat. 73 Brian G4NNS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090822/a4cb7b70/attachment.htm From sp7dcs at wp.pl Sat Aug 22 10:51:36 2009 From: sp7dcs at wp.pl (Chris SP7DCS) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:51:36 +0200 Subject: [Moon] 2m array rotor problem - not qrv in Dubus CW Event Message-ID: <4A8FB198.9080909@wp.pl> Hi, I planned to be qrv this weekend on 2m cw eme in Dubus Event and for some skeds. Unfortunatelly yesterday after cw sked with NT0V (#323, Dennis had FB signal) I discovered serious problem with my horizontal rotor. Pointing is almost impossible and further work would couse risk for array to fall down. So I needed to lower the antenna safely to the ground as fast as possible and have to cancel all activities. I hope to replace rotor before contest season and get fully operational again. Good luck to everyone. VY 73 !!! de Chris SP7DCS -- Chris SP7DCS email - sp7dcs at wp.pl, sp7dcs at o2.pl, sp7dcs at smrw.lodz.pl EME PAGE - http://sp7dcs.webpark.pl From dl5mae at yahoo.de Sat Aug 22 13:01:48 2009 From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:01:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Moon] DUBUS LOG Message-ID: <790679.51440.qm@web23701.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Peter, only 1 QSO for the DUBUS activity ... SOrry had only 1 hour time this morning and no time for the 2nd leg. HEard about? a handful of stations between 0830-0930utc until I had to go QRT. Wkd: 22nd AUG -?? 0853 utc,? OZ1HNE? O/O?? (with some QRN on my side; static rain again). vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090822/e4d23e41/attachment.htm From sm2cew at telia.com Mon Aug 24 07:32:50 2009 From: sm2cew at telia.com (Peter Sundberg) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 05:32:50 +0000 Subject: [Moon] VE7BQH 144 MHz G/T Table Update Message-ID: <20090824052948.7BF9811F899@mail.allt1.se> Lionel VE7BQH has now recalculated his famous G/T table. The reason is: "The program used up to now to calculate E/H Stacking,G,Ta,Tlos and G/T is YAGI ANALYSIS 3.54 by Goran Stenberg,SM2IEV. There are errors in this program. The stacking gain in the E Plane is fixed at 3 dB regardless of the stacking distance. The error for a 4 bay gain is about 0.1 dB as is the G/T. Use of non DL6WU stacking such as for XPOL creates even more error. The error for XPol stacking is about 0.2 dB or more for a 4 bay gain and G/T. To make this table more accurate,effective Aug 1, 2009. I will be using EZNEC 5+ by Roy Lewallen, W7EL and Tant.exe by Sinisa, YT1NT/VE3EA This combination of software provides excellent accuracy.Segment Density starting at the Reflector is 17,17,16,16,16,15,15,15 etc" The latest version of the table (issue 64) can be found at http://www.sm2cew.com/gt.htm 73 de Peter SM2CEW www.sm2cew.com From pa3cwn at tele2.nl Sun Aug 23 08:38:09 2009 From: pa3cwn at tele2.nl (Oene) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:38:09 +0200 Subject: [Moon] TH327 SOLD Message-ID: <4A90E3D1.4070505@tele2.nl> Hello All, The 4 x TH327 are sold I heared from PA1C, so this topic is closed now. Good luck to find other ones for those who seek. Vy 73 Oene PA3CWN From w5lua at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 26 04:40:16 2009 From: w5lua at sbcglobal.net (Al Ward) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:40:16 -0000 Subject: [Moon] W5LUA's talk on 13cm EME at Central States VHF Society in Chicago July 2009 Message-ID: Hello EMEers and MWers I presented an introductory presentation on 13 cm EME at the Central States VHF Society Conference in the Chicago area last month. I have uploaded both the word document and the powerpoint presentation at www.ntms.org . Look under "Knowledge Base" on the left hand side of the main page and then pick "@ The Meetings". Thanks and 73 Al W5LUA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was especially impressed with his multi layer Rhombic array that he built to allow him to bounce 2M signals off the moon to work another famous VHFer, now SK Kjell SM7BAE. His obituary can be found here. http://legacy.suburbanchicagonews.com/obituaries/stng-heraldnews/obituary.as px?n=jack-l-spencer &pid=131230949 May he rest in peace 73 de W5LUA x WA9QZE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090826/415e33dc/attachment.htm From TexasRF at aol.com Thu Aug 27 00:45:54 2009 From: TexasRF at aol.com (TexasRF at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:45:54 EDT Subject: [Moon] Elliptical Waveguide Message-ID: I am looking for a 20ft to 24ft length of Elliptical waveguide with connectors for 10GHz. Does anyone have a piece to sell or trade? This type of waveguide has the needed flexibility to run from a back of the dish twt to a front mounted feed horn. Thanks/73, Gerald K5GW **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090826/6098c31f/attachment.html From oz1hne at post8.tele.dk Sun Aug 30 09:48:59 2009 From: oz1hne at post8.tele.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgen_Kristiansen?=) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:48:59 +0200 Subject: [Moon] OZ1HNE 144MHz DUBUS CW EME Event result, Message-ID: <20090830074901.QZIM1433.fep40.mail.dk@pcjon> Hi EME?ers, I was QRV most of the time in both parts of the August Event and found good activity with two new stations. In the beginning of first part I had problems with heavy rain and static noise (again), so I had to TX some QRZ (-: I worked the following 16 QSO?s on random: 22/8 2009: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 0833 YO2AMU O/RO (529/O) 0851 DL5MAE O/RO 0901 SM2CEW O/RO (539/549) 0909 F0CXO O/RO (559/559) 0921 I3EVK O/RO 0931 DK2PH # O/RO (539/449) 0937 SV3AAF O/RO (529/O) 1019 LA8YB RO/O (569/O) 1026 RU1AA RO/O (559/559) 1105 DG5CST # O/RO 1111 OK1VVP O/RO (529/O) 1122 IK1FJI O/RO (539/O) 1634 IT9CJC O/RO 1646 K1JT O/RO (529/O) 1729 W3TWX RO/O 1750 K9MRI O/RO (539/O) Thanks to all for the QSO?s, and see you all very soon again. Best 73, OZ1HNE Jorgen. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <436327F553AA49C29568E8B250962378@SHACK> ...is now ready for download at www.df2zc.de/newsletter Please also note the upcoming EME contest dates on that site. vy 73 Bernd DF2ZC (JO30RN) www.df2zc.de ____________________________________________ 144 MHz EME NewsLetter: www.df2zc.de/newsletter 144 MHz DXCC #21 144 MHz WAC Kenwood TS 2000 2 x GU74b by LZ2US 4 x 2M18XXX 21 dBd full elevation From DL1YMK at aol.com Mon Aug 31 22:07:49 2009 From: DL1YMK at aol.com (DL1YMK at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:07:49 EDT Subject: [Moon] XXX/DL1YMK EME DXpedition in October Message-ID: Gentlemen, as announced previously, we intend to perform another EME-DXpedition in October using the call XXX/DL1YMK (QTH in Europe). We hope to be QRV on 70, 23, 13 and 9 cm (no 2 m this time, in MI it was too boring for us looking at the computer screen playing in JT, as we were not strong enough to make a QSO in CW, hi). With the exception of 9 cm, which is our weakest band so far, we will not make any skeds in advance, hoping that there is enough interest to catch a new DXCC in a limited period of time. So as listed below, we just publish a timetable for all bands, as you have to find out yourselves, where we are and when we have common a moon ? this was some peoples wish, expressed in this reflector earlier20this year?...let?s see how this works out. Subsequent to the date and the band active you will find 4 times (all in UT) with the following meaning: First time: moon rise for us with window to Asia/Pacific and Eastern Europe Second time: window to US East coast Third time: window to US West coast (mostly already next day, separated with //) Fourth time: moon set for us (always next day)?hmm, where can they be located then???? 3rd October, 23 cm: 1600/2300//0140/0500 4th October, 13 cm: 1600/2300//0200/0600 5th October, 9 cm: 1600/2330//0230/0800 6th October: 1600//0030/0330/0900 7th October: 1630//0100/0400/1100 8th October: 1700//0200/0500/1200 9th October, 70 cm: 1800//0300/0530/1300 10th October, 23 cm: 1900//0400/0700/1330 On the 9th and 10th October the ARRL contest is taking place. The 6/7/8 October is still no preference for a band, because it is during the week and based on our experience only limited time for playing on the moon for all working people ? all retireds: this is your chance!!! We are flexible as usual, it depends a little on the first weekend result, what we will do during the week and which feed we put into the dish ? only a matter of 15 minutes. We expect bad weather and high winds at this particular location (and probably a lot of trees also, hi), so it will depend very much on the WX, if we have a chance to set up the dish and to get on the moon. Sked requests on 9 cm please in beforehand direct to DL1YMK, as we are not sure, if we have any internet access in the ?outback?. We improved the equipment on most bands, more on this issue next weekend. CU off the rock, M & M team -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.moonbounce.info/pipermail/moon/attachments/20090831/cbf224a0/attachment.html