From on4bcb at skynet.be  Sat Nov  1 14:51:56 2008
From: on4bcb at skynet.be (Walter Crauwels ON4BCB)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:51:56 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Fw: Prime focus extention calculation
Message-ID: <3F0EB50DAC05478E87E624FF420C0492@Amilo>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Walter Crauwels 
To: moon at moonbounce.info 
Cc: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net 
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:04 PM
Subject: Prime focus extention calculation


No this is not about extention of... 
Like we all ever received some spam mail !!! but:

I have an excisting prime focus F/D 0.4 which i would like to
extend to an F/D 0.35
In order not to reinvent "the wheel" ,I was wondering if someone has made an excell sheet to calculate the dimensions of the parabolic with respect to the
excisting dimensions for an F/D of 0.4

Walter
  
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From df2zc at gmx.de  Sat Nov  1 15:12:41 2008
From: df2zc at gmx.de (DF2ZC)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:12:41 +0100
Subject: [Moon] 144 MHz EME NewsLetter
Message-ID: <002701c93c2b$e79ac530$eb02a8c0@SHACK>

Hello All,

The October Edition - sorry for delay, had a backlog here due to our recent
GU DXpediton - is now for download at:
www.df2zc.de/newsletter/index.html

vy 73 Bernd DF2ZC (JO30RN)
www.df2zc.de

____________________________________________
144 MHz EME NewsLetter:
www.df2zc.de/newsletter

144 MHz DXCC #21
144 MHz WAC

Kenwood TS 2000
2 x GU74b by LZ2US
4 x 2M18XXX 21 dBd full elevation



From ingolf.fhz at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 17:18:27 2008
From: ingolf.fhz at gmail.com (Ingolf, SM6FHZ)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 17:18:27 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] Fw: Prime focus extention calculation
In-Reply-To: <3F0EB50DAC05478E87E624FF420C0492@Amilo>
References: <3F0EB50DAC05478E87E624FF420C0492@Amilo>
Message-ID: <d453f9420811010918p3cac9e14q1ebe2cc6260660ce@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Walter.

You can find a small Dish.EXE file on my home page

http://www.2ingandlin.se/SM6FHZ.htm

under "Engineering". It runs in a DOS-window under at least up XP.
Don't know about Vista...

With that you can calculate the complete profile for the dish for the
f/D you like.

It is a very simplistic piece of S/W.

Good luck.

73 / Ingolf, SM6FHZ

2008/11/1, Walter Crauwels ON4BCB <on4bcb at skynet.be>:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Walter Crauwels
> To: moon at moonbounce.info
> Cc: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:04 PM
> Subject: Prime focus extention calculation
>
>
> No this is not about extention of...
> Like we all ever received some spam mail !!! but:
>
> I have an excisting prime focus F/D 0.4 which i would like to
> extend to an F/D 0.35
> In order not to reinvent "the wheel" ,I was wondering if someone has made an excell sheet to calculate the dimensions of the parabolic with respect to the
> excisting dimensions for an F/D of 0.4
>
> Walter
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html
>
>


From guenter.koellner at nsn.com  Sat Nov  1 19:10:45 2008
From: guenter.koellner at nsn.com (Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich))
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:10:45 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Fw: Prime focus extention calculation
In-Reply-To: <3F0EB50DAC05478E87E624FF420C0492@Amilo>
References: <3F0EB50DAC05478E87E624FF420C0492@Amilo>
Message-ID: <B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC012A221F@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>

Hello Walter
 
I have once extended my original 3m dish (f/D=0.475) to 4.5m and f/D=0.32
 
But not using Excel, I used Acad...
 
73, G?nter

________________________________

From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On Behalf Of ext Walter Crauwels ON4BCB
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:52 PM
To: moon at moonbounce.info
Cc: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net
Subject: [Moon] Fw: Prime focus extention calculation


 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Walter Crauwels <mailto:Walter.crauwels at skynet.be>  
To: moon at moonbounce.info 
Cc: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net 
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:04 PM
Subject: Prime focus extention calculation

No this is not about extention of... 
Like we all ever received some spam mail !!! but:
 
I have an excisting prime focus F/D 0.4 which i would like to
extend to an F/D 0.35
In order not to reinvent "the wheel" ,I was wondering if someone has made an excell sheet to calculate the dimensions of the parabolic with respect to the
excisting dimensions for an F/D of 0.4
 
Walter
  
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From k7xq at elite.net  Sat Nov  1 19:12:38 2008
From: k7xq at elite.net (K7XQ)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:12:38 -0700
Subject: [Moon] SDR-1000 and EME
Message-ID: <000501c93c4d$6f6d6b40$6601a8c0@K7XQH>

Hello All,
I just acquired a SDR-1000, the 100mW 144 MHz DEM transverter option and
a FA66 soundcard. 
Anyone have any opinions on how well this works on EME ? I haven't found
too many websites 
that discuss much usage on EME. I understand it has a 192 KHz RX usable
bandwidth.
I have the PowerSDR v1.14.0 software downloaded.

K7XQ Jeff



From conrad at g0ruz.com  Sun Nov  2 14:10:52 2008
From: conrad at g0ruz.com (Conrad_G0RUZ)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:10:52 +0000
Subject: [Moon] FS: F1EHN interface board and VE1ALQ encoder boards
Message-ID: <490DA6DC.4060608@g0ruz.com>

Hello I have an F1EHN interface board which is 90% complete, it just 
needs the connectors which I can also provide. All the SMD parts have 
been assembled to a high standard in the lab at work. The VE1ALQ encoder 
boards were built and tested by Darrell. I also have a US optical 
encoder and an inclinometer. I would like 140 GBP for the lot.

73

Conrad G0RUZ


From jjm_f1ehn at wanadoo.fr  Sun Nov  2 15:05:34 2008
From: jjm_f1ehn at wanadoo.fr (jjm)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:05:34 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Photos database of EME antennas - next update
Message-ID: <1A2E39C3E0EC46DF9FCCC8693C13ABCA@P4JJB>

Dear EMErs,
Today, there are 88 photos on the database covering the EME bands from 6m to
1.2cm. The goal of this database is to quickly display during a QSO the
photo antenna and the location of a DX station. Of course, the database
could be browsed with other tools than EME System and at any moment.

I have planned to add the last received photos to a new package at the end
of November. 
 
If you wish to add your antenna's photo, please send it via email + info as
indicated below:
- a photo of your antenna (1 per band) (640*480 pxl or more)
- a comment / title of this photo (ex : F6KSX 3cm - 3.3m dish)
- latitude and longitude of the antenna**
- your grid square (locator)
- the nearest city to check the location of the photo
- web site ?

Find more information on my web site at the "download" page

Thank you.
Best 73.
JJ F1EHN
http://www.f1ehn.org 

** Because a few people asked me about that, you can keep "secret" the exact
position of your antenna with giving only the grid square or approximated
lat/lon (like for a QSO or QSL card or current web site info)....





From conrad at g0ruz.com  Sun Nov  2 16:29:33 2008
From: conrad at g0ruz.com (Conrad_G0RUZ)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:29:33 +0000
Subject: [Moon] F1EHN system sold more stuff FS
Message-ID: <490DC75D.9080509@g0ruz.com>

The F1EHN system has been sold.
I also have for sale:

M2 4 way power divider 70 GBP
2 x 7/16 connectors for Bird model 43 (new) 40 GBP
PA3BIY ATF54143 432 MHz LNA 0.4 dB NF 15 dB Gain 45 GBP


More to follow, I hope that it is not to irritating to people!

73

Conrad G0RUZ



From i5wbe at i5wbe.it  Sun Nov  2 20:25:52 2008
From: i5wbe at i5wbe.it (Enrico Baldacci)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:25:52 +0000
Subject: [Moon] LNA Tecnology  info
Message-ID: <490DFEC0.7000109@i5wbe.it>

Hello Dears,

I need to know which type of ATF is on the LNA CAV 144EME by LNA_Technology
ATF 33143 -34143-54143-36077 ?  I have all instyructions but any diagramm

Mni TNX in advanced

73' de Enrico i5wbe




From i5wbe at i5wbe.it  Mon Nov  3 16:32:23 2008
From: i5wbe at i5wbe.it (Enrico Baldacci)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:32:23 +0000
Subject: [Moon] LNA Tecnology  info
In-Reply-To: <490DFEC0.7000109@i5wbe.it>
References: <490DFEC0.7000109@i5wbe.it>
Message-ID: <490F1987.7030309@i5wbe.it>

Mni TNX to all that they help me  LNA CAV 144EME  have an ATF 33143

73' de Enrico i5wbe



From conrad at g0ruz.com  Mon Nov  3 17:42:41 2008
From: conrad at g0ruz.com (Conrad_G0RUZ)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:42:41 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Unidentified ericsson component.
Message-ID: <490F2A01.8000804@g0ruz.com>

I have a pair of nice looking Ericsson couplers but I can't remember 
what they are for. They are marked Ericsson 67033 on the lid and have 4 
ports, 2 of which are N types and 2 of which are SMA. I have a feeling 
that they were for 2m and were quite valuable. Can anyone shed any light 
on this.

73

Conrad G0RUZ


From conrad at g0ruz.com  Tue Nov  4 21:23:13 2008
From: conrad at g0ruz.com (Conrad_G0RUZ)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:23:13 +0000
Subject: [Moon] FS: More bits for sale
Message-ID: <4910AF31.50304@g0ruz.com>

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From rein0zn at ix.netcom.com  Thu Nov  6 01:19:26 2008
From: rein0zn at ix.netcom.com (rein0zn at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:19:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Moon] 432 And Above EME Newsletter for Nov 2008
Message-ID: <23454373.1225930767064.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hello All,

The 432 MHz and Above EME Newsletter for Nov. 2008 by K2UYH is
at:
   
   http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/em70cm.html

Contest news etc.

Enjoy!

73 Rein PA0ZN


From tikaluna at bigpond.com  Sat Nov  8 00:31:37 2008
From: tikaluna at bigpond.com (Doug McArthur)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:31:37 +1100
Subject: [Moon] 4CX250's .. Air
Message-ID: <20081107233155.PQPW15831.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@tikaluna-jjn6i8.bigpond.com>

Gentlemen
All good technical advice given here on the reflector but remember air flow.
The best check is to place an ARRL on the top of the air out let.
If it does not lift when you turn the blower on then its not big enough!

Thermal drift is a problem (grid 1) when you run real goo. It is
possible to get 'reliable' 1250 watts in a RIW configuration for 
reasonable tube life periods
using good 250R's.(G3SEK used to get 1500 but he was more daring .. 2.5kV Ip)
An absolute stiff screen supply is essential. (Big bleeds). I never 
went above 2.1kV but Ian ran 2.5kV.
Screen current is the killer and flash over protection with MOV's is 
also absolutely essential.

Beware the 'brand new never been used' 1942 tubes being sold today!

There are now far better options, but the thrill of an always pending explosion
is a fond memory!  (Always during a critical QSO.) I still have boxes 
of dead ones I should
have chucked years ago!  Memories!

73 Doug VK3UM



From tikaluna at bigpond.com  Sat Nov  8 00:35:14 2008
From: tikaluna at bigpond.com (Doug McArthur)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:35:14 +1100
Subject: [Moon] 250's .. typo
Message-ID: <20081107233513.DVBP8195.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@tikaluna-jjn6i8.bigpond.com>

Yes I know .. Ep or Vp !!
Sri
Cheers
Doug VK3UM



From conrad at g0ruz.com  Sat Nov  8 22:43:06 2008
From: conrad at g0ruz.com (Conrad_G0RUZ)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:43:06 +0000
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] Important Notice about Rubidium Oscillator
	Orders
In-Reply-To: <0KA100NI88R13L64@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0KA100NI88R13L64@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <491607EA.6000301@g0ruz.com>

If anyone wants a nice built unit with 2 x 10 MHz, 2 x 5 MHz, 2 x 1MHz 
and 2 x 100 kHz outputs, battery backup fully metered EFRATOM type FRT 
Rubidium source then you can by mine for 130 GBP. It even comes in a 
flight case. No photos until Monday because it's at work. It's about 
time that they bought their own anyway! I also have a video distribution 
amplifier PCB with 5 outputs that will drive long cables. I would like 
?25 for that. All plus shipping - the FRT is heavy but the batteries 
could be removed.

73

Conrad G0RUZ

Doug Millar wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>     We are totally over loaded with orders. Please read Robin's message!!
>
> STOP!
>
> Do NOT send money until you get an acknowledging message from me that 
> I have units available.., We are now 100% oversubscribed.
>
> DO send a message telling me who you are and how many units you would 
> like so I know how many to order.  I will get a post made when the 
> supplier tells me that more are available.
>
> this is a volunteer effort, I am not making any money on these 
> transactions.  I will handle as much as I can as fast as I can.
>
> Robin, WA6CDR
>
> WA6CDR at CQ160.NET
> CDRENT at KINDERTEACHER.COM ( paypal adderess)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at 
> http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html
>


From k2dh at frontiernet.net  Sun Nov  9 18:00:01 2008
From: k2dh at frontiernet.net (Dave Hallidy)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:00:01 -0500
Subject: [Moon] Coax Relays For Sale
Message-ID: <9703FE93B0A846EFB99FFCDF64F12B72@DAVE>

I have for sale the following list of coaxial relays.  All prices are plus
shipping.

QTY		Desc.				Price each
4	Transco SMA SPDT "D" 28vdc		25
2	MA/COM SMA SPDT "D" 28vdc		25
4	RLC SMA SPDT "D" 28vdc (2 styles)	25
1	NARDA SMA SPDT "D" 28vdc		25
1	Dynatech SMA SPDT "D" 28vdc		25
1	HP33311B Precision SMA SPDT 28vdc	50
2	Transco N SPDT "Y" 28vdc		25
2	Amphenol BNC DPDT 28vdc			20
1	Amphenol BNC SPDT 20vdc			15
1	Transco TNC SPDT "Y" 28vdc		25
1	Amphenol TNC SPDT 28vdc			20
1	Transco TNC SPDT "D" 28vdc		25
2	Amphenol N SPDT 115vac			15
1	Dow-Key TNC SPDT 28vdc			20
1	Danbury-Knudsen N SPDT 28vdc		15
1	Danbury-Knudsen N/BNC SPDT 20vdc	10
1	RLC TNC SP4T 28vdc			25
1	Auto Metal(?) TNC SP3T 28vdc w/data	20
1	Transco N SP4T 28vdc			50
1	Micronetics SMA Transfer 28vdc	25
1	ERI SMA Transfer 28vdc			20
1	Magnecraft N SPDT 115vac		10

All have been tested and verified as working.  If anyone wants
manufacturer's part numbers/specs, or is interested in a package deal on
several of these, I can deal a bit.  Please contact me direct at:
k2dh at frontiernet.net or by phone: 585-395-0571

Thanks!
Dave K2DH




From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp  Sun Nov  9 18:29:16 2008
From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 2:29:16 +0900
Subject: [Moon] 8J1AXA will take part in ARRL EME Competition.
Message-ID: <20081109172916584.SXLO.8707.wememta101.odn.ne.jp@mta101.odn.ne.jp>

Operation information on 8J1AXA from JAXA Katsuura Space 
Communication Center, QM05df

8J1AXA will take part in the ARRL EME Competition on 144MHz 
15 Nov. only.
Both CW/SSB and JT65 with 500 watts/max. at TX, 18m dish, 
V-pol. 28dBi gain.

Wiill try CW/SSB on usual JA freq. every 30 minutes for any 
possible contact.
Now discussing NO INTERNET CONNECTION during the contest, 
but not for sure now.  

Small stn will be welcome.  PSE call.  
TNX for your kind attention.   PSE spread this info. 

http://www.8j1axa.jp/index.html 


de Mike JH1KRC/8J1AXA Op. 






From w5lua at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  9 19:05:43 2008
From: w5lua at sbcglobal.net (Al Ward)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:05:43 -0000
Subject: [Moon] N2YO website
Message-ID: <016401c94295$c8b623b0$4501a8c0@Al1>

Hello

Bob McGwier, N4HY, just posted this url on the Flex radio site. Very cool
site. You can now see the Sirius/XM satellites that interfere with our 2320
MHz reception plus other cool stuff.

http://www.n2yo.com <http://www.n2yo.com/> 

 

Best 73

Al W5LUA

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From k2dh at frontiernet.net  Tue Nov 11 04:09:34 2008
From: k2dh at frontiernet.net (Dave Hallidy)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:09:34 -0500
Subject: [Moon] Coax Relays For Sale- UPDATE
Message-ID: <2A5FF03CEB46481A9B399669EB6002CD@DAVE>

Remaining for sale are the following coaxial relays- they're going fast.
All prices are plus shipping.

QTY		Desc.				Price each
3	Transco SMA SPDT "D" 28vdc		25
2	MA/COM SMA SPDT "D" 28vdc		25
4	RLC SMA SPDT "D" 28vdc (2 styles)	25
1	Dynatech SMA SPDT "D" 28vdc		25
1	HP33311B Precision SMA SPDT 28vdc	50
1	Amphenol TNC SPDT 28vdc			20
1	Transco TNC SPDT "D" 28vdc		25
1	Dow-Key TNC SPDT 28vdc			20
1	RLC TNC SP4T 28vdc			25
1	Auto Metal(?) TNC SP3T 28vdc w/data	20
1	Micronetics SMA Transfer 28vdc	25
1	ERI SMA Transfer 28vdc			20

All have been tested and verified as working.  Please contact me direct at:
k2dh at frontiernet.net or by phone: 585-395-0571

Thanks!
Dave K2DH




From ha5cw at netscape.net  Tue Nov 11 16:41:12 2008
From: ha5cw at netscape.net (ha5cw at netscape.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:41:12 -0500
Subject: [Moon] FS: tubes and sockets
In-Reply-To: <2A5FF03CEB46481A9B399669EB6002CD@DAVE>
References: <2A5FF03CEB46481A9B399669EB6002CD@DAVE>
Message-ID: <8CB122B0EFF67F4-C88-E71@webmail-dd04.sysops.aol.com>


 


 Hi Gentlemen!

I want to wipe out a shelf in my garage for my GU74B based spare PA therefore I need to get rid of a few "boat anchors" as follows:

- 6 pieces of factory new RE-025XA (4CX250B clones manufactures in OK land) for 20 ? / pcs.
- 4 pieces of original sockets to RE025XA with built in with neutralising capacitors and filament chokes for 30 ?/ pieces.


 - 3 pairs of 110v / 50 Hz selsin pairs for 20 ?/pcs.
- 8 pieces of laboratory attenuators N connector in/out  up to 1 GHz, -20 dB/20W with over sized heat sinks (7x24h !!! :-) that is in "amateur" mode? failry over 50W :-) for 20 ?/pcs.
  
- 6 pieces of 1W/550 MHz dummy loads with N connector for 5 ?/pcs. 
- 6 pcs of BLW78 transistors - 150W @ 175 MHz @ 28V for 25 ?/pcs. 
- HA8UG 2-20/350 PA (144 MHz with GI7BT, built in PS, PO measuring bridge, improved push-pull cooloing) for 450 ? 
- FT290R for mocrowave IF TRX for 150 ?
I know, I am a dog barking under the wrong three, but...
- Cushcraft A3S (3 elelemt 3 band HF yagi, used onyl 2 months) + A740 (7 MHz add-on kit) for 550 ?
Postage fee is not included.

I am looking for an IC-746, IC-706MkIIG, FT-847 or TS-2000 posibly with cw filters (23 cm rack) for field days and spare rig.

73: Joska / HA5CW



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From joe at Princeton.EDU  Wed Nov 12 01:12:05 2008
From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:12:05 -0500
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME Contest
In-Reply-To: <48F74109.8010506@princeton.edu>
References: <3112.206.245.153.163.1223855144.squirrel@webmail.ezlinx.net>
	<48F29639.1060402@ieee.org>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACEeEhR7rvNDiLPCjhaTkYDCgAAAEAAAAEHJ1fYbwC5NiuZryuh1chEBAAAAAA==@verizon.net>
	<48F34C68.6000206@ieee.org> <48F3960B.1080004@princeton.edu>
	<49ac01f90810131154g26ba7f19y3facf3c44401b851@mail.gmail.com>
	<48F4A0BA.3010903@princeton.edu>
	<BAY118-W127D0D2A219BF3830E9D9FFA300@phx.gbl>
	<48F5F706.4060608@princeton.edu> <48F64DD7.8030403@ieee.org>
	<48F74109.8010506@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <491A1F55.5020006@princeton.edu>

The K1JT Multi-Op station will be active on 144, 432, and 1296 during 
the final weekend of the 2008 ARRL International EME Competition.  We 
aim to make as many QSOs as possible in both CW and JT65 modes.  We will 
switch between modes as the activity levels suggest.

Particular operating practices:

144 MHz: When calling CQ in JT65, we are likely to be somewhere around 
144.118 ? QRM.  Most of the time, however, we will be using S+P 
techniques.  If you want to work us, call CQ!  We will find you, and reply.

During our JA window we will work with a 40 kHz split -- for example, if 
you call CQ on 144.080, we will respond on 144.120, and vice-versa.
ALTERNATIVE PROCEDURE FOR JA: Don't forget that you can indicate a reply 
frequency in your CQ.  For example, if you will look for replies on 
144.118, send something like:

     CQ 118 JA5ABC PM96

We hope to work everyone we can copy on both CW and JT65!

432 MHz: We will operate in both modes, CW and JT65B, watching 
especially frequencies around 432.070 for JT65B activity.

1296 MHz: We will operate in both modes, CW and JT65C, watching 
especially frequencies around 1296.070 for JT65C activity.

Special request to smaller stations: Don't forget to call CQ now and 
then.  You may be surprised at who will answer!

Special request to stations using real-time assistance: Don't forget 
that many stations -- including most of the larger ones -- will NOT be 
using the loggers.  After a QSO, be sure to stay on frequency long 
enough to find possible tail-enders calling you.

Good luck to all, and have fun in the contest!

   -- 73 from the K1JT contest team
   K1JT, K2UYH, K1DS, K2LNS, K2TXB, W2KV, K2BMI, N4HY, KC2TA


From tikaluna at bigpond.com  Wed Nov 12 01:40:24 2008
From: tikaluna at bigpond.com (Doug McArthur)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:40:24 +1100
Subject: [Moon] VK Windows 15/16 Nov 08 (VK2,3,4,7)
Message-ID: <20081112004022.HILN7031.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@tikaluna-jjn6i8.bigpond.com>

VK Windows 15/16 Nov 08 (VK2,3,4,7)

15 Nov ... Rise  1210z   Set .. 2100z
16 Nov ... Rise  1310z   Set .. 2215z
(I will have ground noise +/ - 12 minutes on the above times)

This is midnight to ~0900 local for us down here.

I will be listening both 70 and 23 at the same time
and be Tx near my 'normal frequency'.

It would be nice to works some more USA  Stations as
it is a friendly time for you guys, please!

GL 73 de Doug VK3UM



From k7xq at elite.net  Wed Nov 12 02:00:28 2008
From: k7xq at elite.net (k7xq at elite.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:00:28 -0800
Subject: [Moon] Looking for some 432 EME Items
Message-ID: <20081111170028.fkr3xzgs0og80osw@secure.elite.net>



   Hello All,
Just putting a want ad out to see if anyone might have one or some of  
the following items I am looking for to help complete my 432 EME  
antenna project..

   1. 4 port 432 power divider.

   2. Set of (4) or (8) 432 matched phasing lines.

   3. 432 MHz transverter for use for the SDR-1000.

   Thats it.

   Thanks,
Jeff K7XQ


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From jimmyv at hol.gr  Wed Nov 12 10:32:45 2008
From: jimmyv at hol.gr (jimmyv at hol.gr)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:32:45 +0200
Subject: [Moon] NOT QRV ARRL EME ''Contest''
In-Reply-To: <491A1F55.5020006@princeton.edu>
References: <3112.206.245.153.163.1223855144.squirrel@webmail.ezlinx.net>
	<48F29639.1060402@ieee.org>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACEeEhR7rvNDiLPCjhaTkYDCgAAAEAAAAEHJ1fYbwC5NiuZryuh1chEBAAAAAA==@verizon.net>
	<48F34C68.6000206@ieee.org> <48F3960B.1080004@princeton.edu>
	<49ac01f90810131154g26ba7f19y3facf3c44401b851@mail.gmail.com>
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	<BAY118-W127D0D2A219BF3830E9D9FFA300@phx.gbl>
	<48F5F706.4060608@princeton.edu> <48F64DD7.8030403@ieee.org>
	<48F74109.8010506@princeton.edu> <491A1F55.5020006@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <20081112113245.yb9c8zmw00ow0888@easymail-app.hol.gr>

Hello to all

SV1BTR will NOT be QRV at all in the shameful, Internet assisted,  
mixed mode, ''ARRL EME Contest 2008''.

73
Jimmy SV1BTR




From nw_ebw at mmmonvhf.de  Wed Nov 12 12:13:58 2008
From: nw_ebw at mmmonvhf.de (nw_ebw at mmmonvhf.de)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:13:58 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] =?iso-8859-1?q?ARRL_EME_Contest?=
Message-ID: <20081112111358.1BD53370023D@server13.web4a.de>

Hallo dear EME friends,

will try to be on again for several hours on 2m
( 1 4 4 , 1 4 6  MHz )
JT65B, calling CQ (tx 1st periode in US-Window) with my small rig of
2x 12el M2 horz. and around 700 Watts at antennas.

Hope to see you during the contest in gd condx... 73s


Mit freundlichem Gru? / best regards


73 de  Guy (Guido)  D L 8 E B W
QTH:  JO31NF / DL66a   MMMonVHF
VHF-DX: MS & EME in WSJT & HSCW

Member of the Team of MMMonVHF
http://www.MMMonVHF.de



From dl5mae at yahoo.de  Wed Nov 12 12:34:32 2008
From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:34:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Moon] NOT QRV ARRL EME ''Contest''
In-Reply-To: <20081112113245.yb9c8zmw00ow0888@easymail-app.hol.gr>
Message-ID: <421253.45300.qm@web23702.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hi Jimmy, 
?
same with DL5MAE, not QRV in ARRL-EME- internet-contest. 
?
Also, I dont participate contests where personal soapbox comments are suppressed 
by organizers.
?
vy 73 de dl5mae Wolfgang
?


--- jimmyv at hol.gr <jimmyv at hol.gr> schrieb am Mi, 12.11.2008:

Von: jimmyv at hol.gr <jimmyv at hol.gr>
Betreff: [Moon] NOT QRV ARRL EME ''Contest''
An: moon at moonbounce.info
Datum: Mittwoch, 12. November 2008, 10:32

Hello to all

SV1BTR will NOT be QRV at all in the shameful, Internet assisted,  
mixed mode, ''ARRL EME Contest 2008''.

73
Jimmy SV1BTR



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From sp7dcs at wp.pl  Wed Nov 12 21:06:19 2008
From: sp7dcs at wp.pl (Chris SP7DCS)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:06:19 +0100
Subject: [Moon] qsl cards sent
Message-ID: <491B373B.9030204@wp.pl>

Hi,

Today I sent qsl cards to following stations for contacts on 2m, 70cm or 
23cm:
VK3UM VA3TO W3TWX OH2DG RU3ACE DL0SHF PI9CAM HB9SV OE9ERC F2TU DK3NG 
F6BKI YU1EV RU1AC PA3DOL I1NDP OK1KIR SK0UX RW1AW K9SLQ F5VHX SM2CEW 
DL7APV G3LTF
I know these are not all I need to send, but I plan to fianally send all 
remaining qsls after contest weekend.

VY 73 ! de Chris SP7DCS

PS. If we had a eme qso long time ago and you still did not received my 
qsl card, please let me know and I will send again:)

-- 
Chris SP7DCS
email - sp7dcs at wp.pl, sp7dcs at o2.pl, sp7dcs at smrw.lodz.pl
EME PAGE - http://sp7dcs.webpark.pl



From sp7dcs at wp.pl  Wed Nov 12 21:29:07 2008
From: sp7dcs at wp.pl (Chris SP7DCS)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:29:07 +0100
Subject: [Moon] qrv 2m & 70cm & 23cm CW
Message-ID: <491B3C93.7070100@wp.pl>

Hi,

I plan to be qrv during the contest on 2m, 70cm and 23cm CW random 
unassisted.
Last weeks I was working to get 70cm system running. My 4 yagi array is 
up again with repaired preamp and TX line. Old 250W PA has been retired 
and I want to try new 400W SSPA for the first time. I do hope it will 
work as I had no opportunity to test everything together before.

So my rig is:
2m       -   16 x 8el + gs35b
70cm   -     4 x 25el + 400W SSPA
23cm   -     3m dish, RA3AQ feed + 200W SSPA (at feed)

I will change bands depending on activity level and conditions, but as I 
have TVI problems on 70cm I will on this band mostly during the night.
I hope for good activity on all bands. Especially on 2m where activity 
was very low in the first weekend.

Good luck to all and see you!

VY 73 ! de Chris SP7DCS

-- 
Chris SP7DCS
email - sp7dcs at wp.pl, sp7dcs at o2.pl, sp7dcs at smrw.lodz.pl
EME PAGE - http://sp7dcs.webpark.pl



From sm5le at telia.com  Wed Nov 12 21:33:59 2008
From: sm5le at telia.com (SM5LE)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:33:59 +0100
Subject: [Moon] SM5LE 1296 MHz  QRV 15-16 Nov in  ARRL contest
Message-ID: <551D785A558A4B409C20C5843BC4CC69@sven8aee87826d>

Hi

SM5LE will QRV 1296 MHz for ARRL contest 15-16 Nov.
CW only !  :-)  and NO assistance more then big ears.

Any knowing how to find results from last years ARRL contest ?
Have only found the winners on ARRL WEB-page.
I am interested what place I had last year , to see if  I can do better this year.

73 Sven SM5LE


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SM5LE in JO99bd
2.2 meter mesh dish F/D=0.34
Septum feed OK1DFC. With choke ring.
500 W @ feed , CW ( 300W JT65 )
Spid RAS rotator with MoonSked software by GM4JJJ
Rig : TS-2000X (with 1296 MHz module).
LNA : NE32684A cavity NF ~0.3 dB
7.5 dB sun-noise
CW SSB JT65
1296 MHz only
SM5LE HomePage at : http://web.telia.com/~u14901544/
Pictures :  http://web.telia.com/~u14901546/home_page_no_3.htm
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From on4dpx at skynet.be  Wed Nov 12 22:38:05 2008
From: on4dpx at skynet.be (ON4DPX Kenny)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:38:05 +0100
Subject: [Moon] NOT QRV ARRL EME ''Contest''
Message-ID: <00ca01c9450e$f26a4800$c102a8c0@orion>

Hi everyone , 
 
To salute with an EME honorable RADIO decision : 
 
I will not be qrv at all during the ARRL EME contest 2008 .
 
EME contests have been created to test your radio station and operating
skills not to compete each other's internet connection speed , computer
processing power and chatting capabilities .
 
Have fun and let those computers running and hope they dont crash otherwise
another value QSO/DXCC is being lost !
 
73
Kenny ON4DPX






Message: 5
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:32:45 +0200
From: jimmyv at hol.gr
Subject: [Moon] NOT QRV ARRL EME ''Contest''
To: moon at moonbounce.info
Message-ID: <20081112113245.yb9c8zmw00ow0888 at easymail-app.hol.gr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7; DelSp="Yes";
format="flowed"

Hello to all

SV1BTR will NOT be QRV at all in the shameful, Internet assisted,  
mixed mode, ''ARRL EME Contest 2008''.

73
Jimmy SV1BTR





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From sm5le at telia.com  Thu Nov 13 12:25:40 2008
From: sm5le at telia.com (SM5LE)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:25:40 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL 2007 results de SM5LE
Message-ID: <29564CE94A0F4028BB92A57F27B6AA5E@sven8aee87826d>

Hi

Last years results (list) now on my HomePage

http://web.telia.com/~u14901544/


TNX  /Sven
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From dl1ymk at aol.com  Thu Nov 13 12:35:27 2008
From: dl1ymk at aol.com (dl1ymk at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:35:27 -0500
Subject: [Moon] Upcoming Activity Weekend
Message-ID: <8CB139B0F4652EF-D7C-1B0C@WEBMAIL-DG02.sim.aol.com>

Hi lunatics,

for the upcoming activity weekend I have repaired my 70cm amp and exchanged the phasing harness of the 70 cm antenna against cellflex cable.?As I'm curious how much additional attenuation this will bring against the old low-loss harness, I will spend some time on 70cm for getting an impression of?it. The rest of the time I will?play a bit?on 23cm, looking for initials? by calling CQ somewhat?high-frequency out of the wooling with my tiny signal.

This is only to increase moonbounce activity with my personal means and create opportunities for CW-QSO's, weather permitting.

?Anywhere I recently have read? to send in logs for showing contest-activity to ARRL and thus being able to vote for modifications in contest rules -????. Maybe I have misunderstood something or don't remember right - anyway, I can't follow this argumentation. I will show activity for the sake of other moonbouncers and for the fun of it, but of course I will not submit any logs to ARRL any?longer for more than obvious reasons. Just to let you know...

vy 73 de Michael, DL1YMK


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From ea2lu at telefonica.net  Thu Nov 13 14:58:39 2008
From: ea2lu at telefonica.net (EA2LU Jorge Daglio)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:58:39 +0100
Subject: [Moon] QRV 23cm EME
Message-ID: <F98D2186B79C4D33AB4CCA5028BD141E@MAXDATAxp>

Hello dear friends,
               Next friday/saturday moon pass, if things goes right, I will try to be QRV on 
23 cm EME until my saturday morning moonset (0000 to 0900 UTC).
I will look for all of you there, and if I can get more power output than before, I will try
to call CQ too.
Enjoy the weekend and see you on the moon.
Good Luck
Jorge
EA2LU
3m Dish .34 F/D and OK1DFC feed  with VE4MA scalar ring.
200W
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From sm4ive at telia.com  Thu Nov 13 15:32:40 2008
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:32:40 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Upcoming Activity Weekend
References: <8CB139B0F4652EF-D7C-1B0C@WEBMAIL-DG02.sim.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7BFB6136DC3A40F8A34890DCEFE771E5@RADIO>

Hi all EME Fans.
Yeasterday i reparied my PA  so now its back on track, but my preamp seams to have died instead :-))
Maybe i will get it fixed during saturday.
But as many others i will not join the ARRL Contest.
my antenna 4x22 elm    the dish is still on ground.
//Lars SM4IVE
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dl1ymk at aol.com 
  To: moon at moonbounce.info 
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:35 PM
  Subject: [Moon] Upcoming Activity Weekend


  Hi lunatics,

  for the upcoming activity weekend I have repaired my 70cm amp and exchanged the phasing harness of the 70 cm antenna against cellflex cable. As I'm curious how much additional attenuation this will bring against the old low-loss harness, I will spend some time on 70cm for getting an impression of it. The rest of the time I will play a bit on 23cm, looking for initials  by calling CQ somewhat high-frequency out of the wooling with my tiny signal.

  This is only to increase moonbounce activity with my personal means and create opportunities for CW-QSO's, weather permitting.

   Anywhere I recently have read  to send in logs for showing contest-activity to ARRL and thus being able to vote for modifications in contest rules -????. Maybe I have misunderstood something or don't remember right - anyway, I can't follow this argumentation. I will show activity for the sake of other moonbouncers and for the fun of it, but of course I will not submit any logs to ARRL any longer for more than obvious reasons. Just to let you know...

  vy 73 de Michael, DL1YMK



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From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp  Thu Nov 13 18:13:35 2008
From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 2:13:35 +0900
Subject: [Moon] 8J1AXA activity information
Message-ID: <20081113171335588.QMY.8301.wememta102.odn.ne.jp@mta102.odn.ne.jp>

TheJARL Special Station 8J1AXA at JAXA Katsuura Space 
Communication Center, Chiba Pref., will be active on 144MHz 
during the first Moon path in the final weekend of the 2008 ARRL 
International EME Competition.  

We aim to make as many QSOs as possible in both CW and 
JT65 modes.  We will switch between modes every 30 minutes 
as the activity levels suggest.   We will try possible SSB contacts 
on requests.  

NO internet nor telephone communications to exchange the 
operating information will be used during the contest opertation. 
We like to try and see how the present ARRL contest rules would 
be valid, or not valid, for big guns like us.  

QRG: 144.065 ? QRM.   
For oversea contacts, we will be listening up 40kHz ? QRM. 
If we are calling CQ on 144.065, please reply on 144.105 ? QRM. 

As activities suggest, we will try "search and pounce" techniques.   
For small stations, please call CQ frequently.  We will find you, 
and reply you.  

For future 432MHz operation we will make an interference test 
between JAXA Satellite Control Station, bear-by in the same location, in the day-time on Sunday.  

On HF and 50MHz we will operate a prapaganda stations from 
the same location with the same callsign 8J1AXA.  
Katsuura City would be a rare count for JCC enthusiasts.  

Please be sure that we will NOT opereate the second Moon path 
of the weekend, because we will stop all the operations before 
the Moon rise around 10 UTC on the Sunday.  
So do not forget to contact us during the first Moon path in  this 
weekend!!
 
For someone who does not participate in the ARRL Competition, 
please give us your report and comment on our signals.  It would 
be useful for us to evaluate our system for EME operation.  

QSL information will soon be present in our web-site.  
So, work us fist, and wait for the QSL info next.  

Good luck to ALL, and have a fun! !
 

8J1AXA Special Weekend Operating Team  

JA1FY, JA1DYB, JE1OYE, JH1KRC, JK1AKD, JO1LVZ, 
JF6DEA, JA9COB, and 7N1KAE 

144MHz: 500 watts max., 27dBi, V-pol.
Grid: QM05df




 




From k2dh at frontiernet.net  Thu Nov 13 18:37:56 2008
From: k2dh at frontiernet.net (k2dh at frontiernet.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:37:56 -0500
Subject: [Moon] 8J1AXA activity information
In-Reply-To: <20081113171335588.QMY.8301.wememta102.odn.ne.jp@mta102.odn.ne.jp>
References: <20081113171335588.QMY.8301.wememta102.odn.ne.jp@mta102.odn.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <20081113123756.8obmhglvc44wskwk@webmail.frontiernet.net>

Quoting "M. Watanabe" <jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp>:

> TheJARL Special Station 8J1AXA at JAXA Katsuura Space
> Communication Center, Chiba Pref., will be active on 144MHz
> during the first Moon path in the final weekend of the 2008 ARRL
> International EME Competition.


> NO internet nor telephone communications to exchange the
> operating information will be used during the contest opertation.
> We like to try and see how the present ARRL contest rules would
> be valid, or not valid, for big guns like us.

<SNIP>

Ummm, not to rain on your fun Mike, but...  I already think the rules  
make the contest "not valid" for your operation.  Please check the  
rules for the contest on the ARRL website, specifically Rule 7.2-  
Commercial stations cannot compete in the contest for standing, they  
will be listed separately.  You CAN turn in a checklog- the QSO's you  
make DO count for the stations you work.  So, I would say, have all  
the fun you want, try as many things as you want- you will have no  
competition because your log won't count.

Good luck!
73
Dave K2DH



From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp  Thu Nov 13 19:42:14 2008
From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 3:42:14 +0900
Subject: [Moon] 8J1AXA activity information
Message-ID: <20081113184214141.QQQ.8301.wememta102.odn.ne.jp@mta102.odn.ne.jp>

Hi Dave,  

Thank you for your comment.  Yes, I know that our operation 
will be sorted in that commercial antenna station category.  

We are not intending to compete others ( I wonder if there 
could be another commercial antenna this time), but I thought 
ARRL would count our log... in the commercial antenna category.  
Amn't I correct?  

Disconnecting the internet/telephone information would be a fun 
to me (and not to all of the ops, specially for JT mode).   I just 
like to see how our system works without reflecting on the hard 
disc connected on a telephone line.   ( I am not a JT op., SRI !) 

BTW, I think we need one big N coax relay for our antenna! ! 
Hope that they do not burn my relay.  
Already I used most of the N relays in hand for 8J1AXA...no 
more spare!!

CU & GL 


Mike  JH1KRC  



---- "k2dh at frontiernet.net" <k2dh at frontiernet.net> wrote: 
> Quoting "M. Watanabe" <jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp>:
> 
> > TheJARL Special Station 8J1AXA at JAXA Katsuura Space
> > Communication Center, Chiba Pref., will be active on 144MHz
> > during the first Moon path in the final weekend of the 2008 ARRL
> > International EME Competition.
> 
> 
> > NO internet nor telephone communications to exchange the
> > operating information will be used during the contest opertation.
> > We like to try and see how the present ARRL contest rules would
> > be valid, or not valid, for big guns like us.
> 
> <SNIP>
> 
> Ummm, not to rain on your fun Mike, but...  I already think the rules  
> make the contest "not valid" for your operation.  Please check the  
> rules for the contest on the ARRL website, specifically Rule 7.2-  
> Commercial stations cannot compete in the contest for standing, they  
> will be listed separately.  You CAN turn in a checklog- the QSO's you  
> make DO count for the stations you work.  So, I would say, have all  
> the fun you want, try as many things as you want- you will have no  
> competition because your log won't count.
> 
> Good luck!
> 73
> Dave K2DH
> 
> 
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From guenter.koellner at nsn.com  Thu Nov 13 21:43:11 2008
From: guenter.koellner at nsn.com (Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich))
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:43:11 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME Contest DL4MEA
In-Reply-To: <WC20081113201326.7700E2@spasalon.com>
References: <WC20081113201326.7700E2@spasalon.com>
Message-ID: <B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01342C37@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>

Hello,

I expect to be on
Saturday
(1) 04:00-08:00UT my moonset, 23cm only, NA window
(2) 18:30-21:00UT my moonrise, JA+VK window
Sunday
(3) 04:00-09:00UT my moonset, NA window
(4) 19:30-21:00UT my moonrise, JA+VK window

I have told I will be on 70cm probably, but at the moment the weather is awful and no chance to check anything. When I find time on Saturday and the weather permits, I will check if 70cm is ok, then I will do 70cm for at least (2) and (3).

Again the request even to the weaker ones on 23cm: Please call! Not in the center of activity, but spread out! Above 025 would be fine! In part 1 there were stations up to 040. More and more stations are using waterfall, so it is no problem to find you.

23cm: 4.5m dish, TH347, chapperal feed with septum polarizer, 400w at the feed, 0.30dB G4DDK preamp
70cm: 4.5m dish, GS35b, CT1DMK ring feed, 1kW at the feed, 0.30dB KA0RYT preamp, switchable polarity
both: FT847, Winrad waterfall display 

73, G?nter, DL4MEA



From fr5dn at izi.re  Fri Nov 14 14:27:30 2008
From: fr5dn at izi.re (FR5DN-Phil)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:27:30 +0400
Subject: [Moon] LT70S rx
In-Reply-To: <B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01342C37@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>
References: <WC20081113201326.7700E2@spasalon.com>
	<B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01342C37@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>
Message-ID: <491D7CC2.8080805@izi.re>

Hello,

My LT70s Shows almost no gain on rx. I for sure have some troubles in 
the rx side preamp or IF rx transistors.
I have the schematics of the transverter, but it came without the 
component list. I try to see inside the circuit board but hard.
Any1 can help?.

Tks in advance.

Murphy starts early. Dont know/think if i have spare parts here.

Vy73 - Phil - FR5DN


From kc3re at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 14:57:43 2008
From: kc3re at yahoo.com (Cristofori Concerts)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:57:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Moon] KC3RE QRV 432 from Delaware
Message-ID: <862656.61660.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I have a 432 CW schedule from my QRPP rover with DL7APV. I will be at the Delaware coast, FM28ks.

Details:

Sunday, 16 November

432.063

One-minute periods, DL7APV transmits first

Start at 0010 UTC (my moonrise from FM28ks)

I'm grateful for any other stations tail-ending if Berndt and I can complete. Reports from anyone who even hears me are gratefully welcome.

My rover station is quite small-just c. 125 watts, single 28-el M2 yagi, but i will have the Atlantic Ocean as a ground plane.  I was able to work Dan, HB9Q, from this spot quite easily.

I don't have elevation on the rover, but will try to dig up some sand and make some hills to drive up, so that I can elevate the entire rover to hopefully keep operating until c. 0210 UTC.

I will also have two-meters in the rover-375 watts and single 15-el K1FO for possible operation (CW) during the second hour.

Thanks for any interest.

73,

Martin, KC3RE



      


From fr5dn at izi.re  Fri Nov 14 16:23:37 2008
From: fr5dn at izi.re (FR5DN-Phil)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:23:37 +0400
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] LT70S rx
In-Reply-To: <491D7CC2.8080805@izi.re>
References: <WC20081113201326.7700E2@spasalon.com>	<B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01342C37@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>
	<491D7CC2.8080805@izi.re>
Message-ID: <491D97F9.50605@izi.re>

Many tks to all who responded and helped fixing the trouble, with the 
schematics!!

After checking more carefully and testing with some tx around, i saw 
that there was a weak rx.

Checked the the front end of the transverter (it is separated in an 
internal box), and connected its output directly to the rx, and saw that 
it was ok. That is a nice thing...

So the trouble was on the transverter module itself, and found the 
BFR90A to be dead.
A chance i had another 1 left in a box here.
Will have to look for some extra spare.

So, if all is fine i should be able to hear something from the moon!


Again, mny tks for precious quick replies from all of you!!

Vy73 - Phil - FR5DN


From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp  Fri Nov 14 18:11:03 2008
From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 02:11:03 +0900
Subject: [Moon] 8J1AXA activity information
References: <20081113171335588.QMY.8301.wememta102.odn.ne.jp@mta102.odn.ne.jp>
	<006f01c9460f$bfe501c0$6401a8c0@WA6PY>
Message-ID: <010001c9467b$fb7c5140$0200a8c0@yourm9xvc9gwtf>

Dear Paul, Jo, and other 2m guys:

Obviously my former note seemed to be vague in CW operating frequency and
QSX.

> QRG: 144.065 ? QRM.
> For oversea contacts, we will be listening up 40kHz ? QRM.
> If we are calling CQ on 144.065, please reply on 144.105 ? QRM.

For NA GUYS, who would make it 40kHz separete,  we do like this.
If no need for you, please make it as usual.

> As activities suggest, we will try "search and pounce" techniques.
> For small stations, please call CQ frequently.  We will find you,
> and reply you

8J1AXA will transmit CW, JT65, and possible SSB on 144.065 +/-QRM.
Please call in your usual way.   If activity is not much on this frequency,
we will try another frequency to listen/reply to someone's CQ.

Anyone cannot transmit CW around this frequency?   Give me a note
before 2300 UTC when I leave my home.

TNX  & GL to everyone.


Mike  JH1KRC/8J1AXA op.








From ww2r_eme at g4fre.com  Fri Nov 14 18:42:02 2008
From: ww2r_eme at g4fre.com (ww2r_eme)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:42:02 -0000
Subject: [Moon] ww2r will not be qrv for the arrl eme 2nd leg
In-Reply-To: <016401c94295$c8b623b0$4501a8c0@Al1>
Message-ID: <PHEOJOHBIKMLJJHHFCGFMEEICHAA.ww2r_eme@g4fre.com>


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From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 14 19:31:35 2008
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:31:35 -0000
Subject: [Moon] G3LTF QRV in eme contest
Message-ID: <24514A226602472599BA7B6B7B455ECD@D7BX6Z0J>

 I plan to start off tonight on 432 MHz, depending on QSO rate I will QSY to 1296 later. I will look on 144 CW  at my moonset  and moonrise  later tomorrow.
 GL to all ,73
 Peter  G3LTF   IO91GG 
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From guenter.koellner at nsn.com  Fri Nov 14 21:11:53 2008
From: guenter.koellner at nsn.com (Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich))
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:11:53 +0100
Subject: [Moon] We are in winter time!
Message-ID: <B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01342F34@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>

Hello all

A short reminder, before you detect that the tracking is off the target: 
We are in winter time now...

73, G?nter

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From tikaluna at bigpond.com  Sat Nov 15 04:11:13 2008
From: tikaluna at bigpond.com (Doug McArthur)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:11:13 +1100
Subject: [Moon] VK3UM EME Calculator Ver 5.38
Message-ID: <20081115031111.RFVG7031.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@tikaluna-jjn6i8.bigpond.com>

Gentlemen
The latest release of the VK3UM EME Calculator Ver 5.38 is now
available from http://sm2cew.com/download.htm and http://www.ve1alq.com/vk3um/

Significant additions and improvements have been added to this 
release that include in part,
- Selectable Dish Feed Types (6 in total) that are linked to user f/D 
and directly calculate the values of spillover and efficiency.
- Linear / circular polarisation correction calculations implemented.
- Moon and Sun aperture / beam fill beam correction calculations 
refined. (applicable to large antennae)
- Real time Source (Quiet and Noise) position Screen added with 
improved calculation accuracy of Moon and Sun positions.
- additional coaxial types and user Station data files.
- updated Help file which now includes hints where appropriate.

Enjoy
73 de Doug (VK3UM)



From k6pf at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 15 07:28:46 2008
From: k6pf at sbcglobal.net (Bob Kocisko)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:28:46 -0800
Subject: [Moon] VHF:  Not QRV due to winds
Message-ID: <015d01c946eb$6a665500$6401a8c0@Office>

Hello 2m EME Friends:

I was expecting to operate this evening during the 2nd W/E of the ARRL 
contest.  I listened ~0400-0500z tonite (moon up ~20-30 degrees) & had a 
high noise level of 10-15dB > 50 ohm Termination.  This is due to high 
"Santa Ana" winds which cause hot temps & high QRN.  Not able to hear 
anyone.  Went QRT about 0500z. Expecting more of same tomorrow afternoon.

73,
Bob, K6PF 



From guenter.koellner at nsn.com  Sat Nov 15 10:12:28 2008
From: guenter.koellner at nsn.com (Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich))
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:12:28 +0100
Subject: [Moon] DL4MEA 23cm 1st pass results
Message-ID: <B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01342F42@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>

Hello,

added UT3JCW, OK1DFC, RW3PX, EA2LU, RA3EC, W5LUA, WA6PY, WA8RJF and PA3FXB
to the list of stations on 23cm.

We have a beautiful weather, so I will install 70cm for at least moonrise and moonset
Will be QRV from 18:30UT until around 23:00UT and around 04:00UT until 08:30UT

73, G?nter

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From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Sat Nov 15 17:21:15 2008
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:21:15 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] ARRL 23cm
In-Reply-To: <491EEF66.6010109@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <744.1558-20322-1879261344-1226766075@seznam.cz>

Hi guys,
I am QRV in second leg on 1296 MHz. Looking forward to work many of you, I have missed last leg due to trip, but now I will be QRV.
Regards


Zdenek - OK1DFC
www.ok1dfc.com
QRV 144 - 3400 MHz EME
QRO and 10m DISH
WAC 432 - 1296 MHz


From bpaloma at telefonica.net  Sat Nov 15 17:39:16 2008
From: bpaloma at telefonica.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Benjamin_Pi=F1ol?=)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:39:16 +0100
Subject: [Moon] TEST Antennas 70cm Andorra 2008 expedition
Message-ID: <3238A0C6AA1D40D382BD7BBE7DA49C15@ea3xu39b533e50>

Hi all.

70cm JT65  information ARRL Contest
-------------------------------------------------------

To nigth at 19:00 utc  QRV only 70cm EA3BB/P in JN01, preparations C31 Andorra 2009 Expedition 144/432 equipmant.

Conditions:
4x27 ele H.   9WL
400W
QRG 432.069 MHz 1st

Regarts and GL
Benjamin EA3XU
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From guenter.koellner at nsn.com  Sat Nov 15 23:35:56 2008
From: guenter.koellner at nsn.com (Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich))
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:35:56 +0100
Subject: [Moon] DL4MEA's 70cm fun
In-Reply-To: <B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01342F42@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>
References: <B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01342F42@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>
Message-ID: <B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01342F51@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>

Yes yes yes, 70cm is fun....
 
worked: oh2po, i1ndp, ua3ptw, sp6jlw (yes, it was really me!!!), pi9cam, kl6m (great!!!), ja5nns, hb9q, g3ltf, df3ru, fr5dn (where is fr?) dl7apv
I probably heard vk3um and f2tu
 
Very unsual, or have I forgotten it, or is it just today so strong? Fading!!! in a few seconds period signals appear or disappear. Also, sometimes I got very clear and load echos.
 
Rig: 4.5m dish f/D=0.32, CT1DMK ring feed, KA0RYT preamp (0.3dB NF), switchable polarity, GS35b about 1.4kW out, FT847
 
Now I plan to sleep until tomorrow around 05:00UT, then I will be back on 70cm.
 
73, G?nter (dl4mea)
 
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From ibnkarim at bigpond.net.au  Sun Nov 16 01:25:55 2008
From: ibnkarim at bigpond.net.au (Charlie Kahwagi)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:25:55 +1100
Subject: [Moon] VK3NX QRV 23cm
Message-ID: <7E2CDE3907B94FD4ADC6B6097FA2A36D@Charlieoffice>

Hello fellow "Moon-bounecrs",

                                                During the last week, I made
good progress on my EME system for 23cm.  In a rush I managed to finish my
feed, install and test it.

Without much optimisation in my 3.7m dish, I am getting ~12dB Sun noise,
0.22 dB moon noise and with 100W in the feed (RA3AQ design) echoes are very
good.  So on 12th Nov I had an initial QSO with VK4AFL (#1) on CW and after
this success I decided to try and participate in this weekend's contest.

 

The NA window yielded contact with  K1RQG (CW and monster signal in SSB!)
VE6TA  and  VK3UM  

After a few hours sleep I managed to get some time on the Eu window and
worked, HB9Q, RA3AQ, OZ4MM and HB9GR (right on my moon set)

 

I took it very slowly and whilst I called CQ a little up the band I received
no responses, so I concentrated on just hearing and getting a feel for
signals on this new band for me.  I called a number of stations several
times whom I heard very well but often heard several stations replying...
The idea of a "pile-up" on uW EME  is a good thing!

 

I hope to be active during both the NA and Eu windows again on the next
pass.  My window will start at ~ 1400 utc    and  conclude  at just after
2200 utc.   I ope to be on through most of t (with a few hrs sleep at "high
moon",  so whilst I cannot guarantee I will be on,  please look for me!

 

I take it that the main activity is around 1296.000  - 1296.050 ????

 

73 de VK3NX  Charlie QF21EX

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From tikaluna at bigpond.com  Sun Nov 16 01:45:00 2008
From: tikaluna at bigpond.com (Doug McArthur)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:45:00 +1100
Subject: [Moon] Sat night 23 / 70cm conditions
Message-ID: <20081116004459.HIAF21966.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@tikaluna-jjn6i8.bigpond.com>

Gentlemen
I probably spent more time on 70 than I should have but conditions 
there were 'difficult'.
23 had some Libration and slow fading but pretty normal stable 
conditions. However, 70cm had
deep QSB, severe Libration and was Faraday locked at 45 degree all 
night. This posed one big challenge!
I sent more YYY than I can recall. Please leave an exaggerated break 
between the end and start
of your call sign and if you get a YYY with your correct prefix or 
suffix please just send the remainder. Match the speed
of the other station too .. it all will help. I finally got the call 
sign of the DJ that was calling me when I lost Moon
so I will catch you tonight!
I will try to concentrate more on 23 tonight. (3 US Stations on 23 
and 70  [total] active during our window)
Regards
Doug VK3UM



From melum at alaska.net  Sun Nov 16 03:36:37 2008
From: melum at alaska.net (Mike KL6M)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:36:37 -0900 (AKST)
Subject: [Moon] KL6M QRV 70cm Last pass
Message-ID: <1349.209.112.147.205.1226802997.squirrel@mymail.alaska.net>

I will be on 70cm at my moonrise about 0400z.

I will have another chance at Europe and Asia at 1800 - 2200z.

I have quite a few "Heard-Not-Worked" so I hope you come back for another
try.

Thanks

Mike, KL6M      BP51dc





From k2dh at frontiernet.net  Sun Nov 16 04:44:57 2008
From: k2dh at frontiernet.net (Dave Hallidy)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:44:57 -0500
Subject: [Moon] K2DH Temporarily QRT
Message-ID: <6911964177FC4DF4854D93119F483AAE@DAVE>

All-
High winds right now, I've just stowed the dish.  If things settle down,
I'll be back before the European window, but after last year's catastrophe,
I don't want a repeat.
CU soon, hopefully.
Dave K2DH




From sm4ive at telia.com  Sun Nov 16 07:34:51 2008
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:34:51 +0100
Subject: [Moon] 432 EME
Message-ID: <F0FDBF44B15F44EB800E0F4D045ED38C@RADIO>

Hi Guys
I was really looking forward to the the saturday evening /night activity, but when the moon rised and it was time to start playing the dame PA blew 2fuses in the incoming 380V box. My wife shouted that the TV went dead!!!!!! HI HI.
Well after some investigation i found that the screensupply and bias supply have gone to heaven, I have had same problem with this tube before so maybe it gave up after 20 Years.
So what to do? I spent some time playing with my RF space SDR-IQ looking at signals and trying to find out how the software works (spectravue) did also try Winrad.
Earlier in the day I modifided my TS2000X so i got 10.7Mhz to listen on.
But also Hooked up a converter to my Yaesu FT2000
I think that The FT2000 might be my EME radio in the future It has very fine filters and the EME signals sounds better!
It also have diversity possibilities!!!:-))

Antenna here:4x22 elm and MGF 4919G in my old 1989 Cavity preamp.
73 es GL on EME i will be on SWL mode for a time
de Lars SM4IVE
www.sm4ive.com
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From k6pf at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 08:01:46 2008
From: k6pf at sbcglobal.net (Bob Kocisko)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:01:46 -0800
Subject: [Moon] VHF:  Not QRV for Contest
Message-ID: <000501c947b9$30f03420$6401a8c0@Office>

Hello 2m EME Friends:

We still had vy dry & hot condx with "Santa Ana" winds & lots of fires in 
Southern California.  I listened ~0500z when moon was ~20 deg EL & still had 
a noise level of 10-15dB > 50 ohm termination.  So, was not QRV either nite 
this weekend.

73,
Bob, K6PF 



From john.peters at iae.nl  Sun Nov 16 08:34:20 2008
From: john.peters at iae.nl (John Peters)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:34:20 +0100
Subject: [Moon] DL4MEA's 70cm fun
In-Reply-To: <B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01342F51@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>
Message-ID: <CPSMTP-EML1121bCdUg000058d9@cpsmtp-eml112.kpnxchange.com>

Guenter
 
FR5DN is Reunion Island in the Indien Ocean
 
His locator LG78qs
 
73! de John PA5MS

  _____  

Van: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]
Namens Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich)
Verzonden: zaterdag 15 november 2008 23:36
Aan: MoonNet; Moonbounce Reflector
Onderwerp: [Moon] DL4MEA's 70cm fun


Yes yes yes, 70cm is fun....
 
worked: oh2po, i1ndp, ua3ptw, sp6jlw (yes, it was really me!!!), pi9cam,
kl6m (great!!!), ja5nns, hb9q, g3ltf, df3ru, fr5dn (where is fr?) dl7apv
I probably heard vk3um and f2tu
 
Very unsual, or have I forgotten it, or is it just today so strong?
Fading!!! in a few seconds period signals appear or disappear. Also,
sometimes I got very clear and load echos.
 
Rig: 4.5m dish f/D=0.32, CT1DMK ring feed, KA0RYT preamp (0.3dB NF),
switchable polarity, GS35b about 1.4kW out, FT847
 
Now I plan to sleep until tomorrow around 05:00UT, then I will be back on
70cm.
 
73, G?nter (dl4mea)
 
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From guenter.koellner at nsn.com  Sun Nov 16 10:39:52 2008
From: guenter.koellner at nsn.com (Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich))
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:39:52 +0100
Subject: [Moon] DL4MEA's 70cm fun continued...
In-Reply-To: <B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01342F51@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>
References: <B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01342F42@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>
	<B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01342F51@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>
Message-ID: <B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01342F5B@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>

Hello,
 
added oz4mm, k0rz, w7ci and k1m to those worked on 70cm. Heard dj7gk, sm2cew
 
Due to the wide beam on 70cm, I see noise from neighbour houses much more early, so I had to quite earlier at 20deg elevation. Conditions seemed to be a little bit more stable with less fading compared to the morning, and some times I got my echos quite nicely. Due to Faraday the echos were on 90deg polarisation, confirmed that NA stations mostly required me transmitting with same polarity than RX despite a polarisation offset of around 60deg.
 
BTW, I should mention something that might have gone lost or misunderstood: All QSO are random, CW (that is morse code!) without any assistance.
Also those on 23cm, 13cm and 9cm. It is quite simple: While I am sitting at the radio, I do simply not find any time to answer chats or whatever. 
 
73, G?nter (dl4mea)
 
PS: Yes, meanhile I know that FR5 is Reunion Island. I was just joking, because I never expected getting a new country with my moderate setup on 70cm... It was a pleasure for me working you.


________________________________

Subject: [Moon] DL4MEA's 70cm fun


Yes yes yes, 70cm is fun....
 
worked: oh2po, i1ndp, ua3ptw, sp6jlw (yes, it was really me!!!), pi9cam, kl6m (great!!!), ja5nns, hb9q, g3ltf, df3ru, fr5dn (where is fr?) dl7apv
I probably heard vk3um and f2tu
 
Very unsual, or have I forgotten it, or is it just today so strong? Fading!!! in a few seconds period signals appear or disappear. Also, sometimes I got very clear and load echos.
 
Rig: 4.5m dish f/D=0.32, CT1DMK ring feed, KA0RYT preamp (0.3dB NF), switchable polarity, GS35b about 1.4kW out, FT847
 
Now I plan to sleep until tomorrow around 05:00UT, then I will be back on 70cm.
 
73, G?nter (dl4mea)
 
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From f2tu.philippe at orange.fr  Sun Nov 16 12:20:44 2008
From: f2tu.philippe at orange.fr (F2TU Philippe)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:20:44 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Results contest F2TU
Message-ID: <4920020C.8010409@orange.fr>

23cm: no 100% qrv (07:00-moonset, moonrise-23:00. Qso K3JNZ/O, HB9GR, 
ON5RR, RK3MMF,  UT5JCW, OK1DFC, I5MPK, JA8CZD, JA4HZN, K5JL, VE4SA, 
IQ4DF, SM3JQU, WA6PY, K2DU.  Heard RWPX . Failed N9JIM, error of 0.5? on 
AZ and EL! and then a tree. My echos were strong  09:30 - 10:15 
(moonset), but nobody ..
Currently, 92 qsos for the contest.
70cm: 7 qsos for 45 min.
I will be again tonight on  23cm. Start 20:00 utc.
GL
73

-- 
Philippe PIERRAT - F2TU
http://F2TU.perso.orange.fr




From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Sun Nov 16 12:43:59 2008
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:43:59 -0000
Subject: [Moon] 432 conditions.
Message-ID: <B882C285F4DA4F579B51D3A8321D42C3@D7BX6Z0J>

 Conditions on the first pass on 432 here were what I call good , polarisation was sharply defined, but the fading was very long with shortish strong  peaks sometimes as much as 40 seconds apart and long periods of weaker signal. It was not a polarisation effect because I was able to check this with the fully rotatable feed.  In the fades the signal remained low despite rotating the feed. This is a similar effect to that which was observed last year ( 2007) and in October 2008  but then the effect was only at moonrise plus a few hours. This time it seemed to persist for much longer, up to 6 hours.  
I dont recall encountering this before  and years ago there was more 432 activity so one would expect to have seen it more easily.
By contrast on the second pass here, from moonrise on, signals were definitely  weaker... because the polarisation was badly spread with little change over large rotation angles... The same fading effect was still present but much less marked. 
Bill W4TJ and Doug VK3UM have both commented on " difficult / unusual" conditions.  Does anyone have any rational explanations for this? 

As I see it, there are three effects,  Faraday rotation, Absorbtion and Libration, all with different periodicity. I think  I can largely eliminate polarisation. Can it be that the libration and absorbtion rates of change are similar at this period of the solar cycle for some reason and so we are seeing the interactive effect of two slowly changing periods?
I gather we are in the quietest period of sun activity  since before amateur EME began, could this be significant? 

73 Peter G3LTF 
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From sm4ive at telia.com  Sun Nov 16 15:18:05 2008
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:18:05 +0100
Subject: [Moon] EME wkd stations
Message-ID: <EA78ECCB2D7D4E70BD64F599915DC5D2@RADIO>

Yestarday morning i worked this stations.
I1NDP K0RZ UA3PTW SD3F SP6JLW DL9KR PI9CAM # DL7APV OH2PO OE5JFL WA4NJP OZ4MM KL6M N4GJV and SM2CEW.    CWNR HB9Q got only QRZ  this happens all the time when i call them My own echos was as loud as theirs??????? Maybe Not a skilled OP?  
Heard WA6PY DJ7GK.DF3RU G3LTF
This morning in SWL mode for a short time i heard, VE6TA,DJ7GK, ans some others that i dont recall nw.

Have been out working on the dish this afternoon but had to stop due to heavy snowfall :((
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From f2tu.philippe at orange.fr  Sun Nov 16 15:26:19 2008
From: f2tu.philippe at orange.fr (F2TU Philippe)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:26:19 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Results contest F2TU
In-Reply-To: <C0F34926CF1E49B9BF044EE2ED89250D@DAVE>
References: <4920020C.8010409@orange.fr>
	<C0F34926CF1E49B9BF044EE2ED89250D@DAVE>
Message-ID: <49202D8B.7060207@orange.fr>

Hello,
L'om ON qui m'a envoy? un message, peut-il me le r?envoyer. Pass? ? la 
trappe! mais c'?tait bien ok ici dans le log, hi!
73

Philippe PIERRAT - F2TU
http://F2TU.perso.orange.fr




From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Sun Nov 16 18:32:57 2008
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:32:57 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] Results contest F2TU
In-Reply-To: <4920020C.8010409@orange.fr>
Message-ID: <745.1616-15488-105643079-1226856776@seznam.cz>

Not QRV this evening, strong wind here
Regards OK1DFC

------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
Od: F2TU Philippe <f2tu.philippe at orange.fr>
P?edm?t: [Moon] Results contest F2TU
Datum: 16.11.2008 12:21:57
----------------------------------------
23cm: no 100% qrv (07:00-moonset, moonrise-23:00. Qso K3JNZ/O, HB9GR, 
ON5RR, RK3MMF,  UT5JCW, OK1DFC, I5MPK, JA8CZD, JA4HZN, K5JL, VE4SA, 
IQ4DF, SM3JQU, WA6PY, K2DU.  Heard RWPX . Failed N9JIM, error of 0.5? on 
AZ and EL! and then a tree. My echos were strong  09:30 - 10:15 
(moonset), but nobody ..
Currently, 92 qsos for the contest.
70cm: 7 qsos for 45 min.
I will be again tonight on  23cm. Start 20:00 utc.
GL
73

-- 
Philippe PIERRAT - F2TU
http://F2TU.perso.orange.fr



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WAC 432 - 1296 MHz


From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Sun Nov 16 19:06:39 2008
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:06:39 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME
In-Reply-To: <4920020C.8010409@orange.fr>
Message-ID: <762.1624-17961-2059052565-1226858799@seznam.cz>


Hi EME gang, 
thank you to all of you for nice QSOs and fun during past weekend. I am ending with score 86QSOx38multi. But how I was presenting in Florence, I do not send log because rules for ARRL contest are so strange and I do not agree with them. More details including calls I will public in Al K2UYH NL and also on my web I will put MP3 samples. I have tested during contest IC7700 and was very surprise how the DSP is working in this TRX. Only one station I was not able to read and he left before I was able to identificate who is it. Only what I remember that between deep fading he was sending in spred groups M666FFF and again deep fading, I am looking who it was. 
Looking forward to work all of you in next EME window if weather permit. My final score after contest with initials is #241. Up to 15th of December I am traveling again, but from 15th I have holiday and will spend more time with QSLs etc. 

Regards 
Zdenek - OK1DFC 
www.ok1dfc.com 
QRV 144 - 3400 MHz EME 
QRO and 10m DISH 
WAC 432 - 1296 MHz


From mail01 at df9cy.de  Sun Nov 16 21:42:29 2008
From: mail01 at df9cy.de (Christoph Petermann)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:42:29 +0100
Subject: [Moon] 70cm fun (by DF9CY)
Message-ID: <492085B5.1020805@df9cy.de>

Hi Guenther and all,

Yes Guenther you are almost right.

70 cm IS fun. Compared to any other band the effort seems lower to get 
strong signals off the moon on 432 MHz. At the time I was QRV on 70cms 
(in the 80s and 90s of the last century) I was pleased to get so strong 
echoes with an array smaller than most decent yagi groups on 2m. Copying 
the own echoes means you can make QSO with anyone having the same setup. 
And a 70cm system is easier to setup in a vullage area like here.

My former 70cm antennas are ALL on this page : 
http://www.df9cy.de/ar/operation/moonbounce-history/df9cy_hist_eme.html

Next year I plan to switch - hopefully - to 70cm again. I want to fill 
up the 100 stations with my single yagi on 2m. Only 20 stations missing 
there. I am planning to put up 4*21 ele DK7ZB yagies (homemade). They 
shall go up so high, that I can go down to 0degs elevation. I have good 
preamps, fine relays and a good working YL1050 PA (just tested 
recently). I will have - and that is bad - 1,7 dB of cable loss then. I 
hope to get that stuff running by next summer.

So, see you on 2m with my 9 ele DK7ZB antenna and my 350w until I have 
to take it down to have space for the 70cm gear.

ARRL contest: I did some listening, but did not make a QSO this weekend.

73 de Christoph DF9CY

-- 
Christoph Petermann DF9CY || www.df9cy.de || www.cpetermann.de



From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Mon Nov 17 10:37:32 2008
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:37:32 -0000
Subject: [Moon] G3LTF results final contest weekend
Message-ID: <7653C50709844C65B9AAF3E6AA616F86@D7BX6Z0J>

 A good weekend's eme although I missed a lot on 432 by a poor choice of bands / sleep / timings. There were some unusual conditions which I reported separately and these are confirmed by others. I added on 432 the following: (duplicates denoted by *, # denotes initial)
SP7DCS, LZ1DX *, DG1KJG, SM3JQU, UT5DL* , HB9Q, PI9CAM #,  K0RZ, WE2Y, K4EME, UT5DL*, W7CI, KL6M, KE2N, DJ7GK, OE3JPC, JA5NNS*, VK3UM, G3LQR, FR5DN, JA6AHB, DL4MEA, JH4JLV, UT2EG, DL7UDA, YO2IS,  Final total of 44, down on last year due to reason above. Amazingly I never heard Jan DL9KR though I knew he was on!

 On 1296 I added DF3RU, WA5WCP, JH5LUZ, OK1DFC, F5HRY, VE3KRP, IQ4DF, K5PJR*, ON5RR*, K5JL, UT5JCW*, DL1HCZ #?, K6JEY, WA5WCP, VK3NX#, OZ6OL, SM3JQU, ON4BCB*, JA8IAD, ON7UN, OK2KJT#, JA4HZN# . final total 87, up on last year.
 CWNR,  DL2HWA, PA3DZL. Heard calling big stations, IK2RTI, OK1DST. Anyone who called me and didnt get a reply please email me.
 On 144 at moonset I called F1FLA many times and heard WA4NJP.
 Thanks to you all for the nice QSOs, the activity on 432 seems to be increasing again now and on 1296 it just continues to climb, there must have been over 100 stations active on CW/ssb over the full contest.
73 Peter G3LTF 
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From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Mon Nov 17 10:38:51 2008
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:38:51 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] ARRL EME
In-Reply-To: <003101c94818$c0621c40$6303a8c0@wa4ewv.net>
Message-ID: <690.1525-10001-1890807373-1226914730@seznam.cz>

Do not worry Al, I am always sending log for check, also in tropo contests where I am not participating....... All QSOs are valid for others, not for my participation in contest!
DFC 
------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ 
Od: Al <wa4ewv at wa4ewv.net> 
P?edm?t: Re: [Moon-net] ARRL EME 
Datum: 16.11.2008 19:29:54 
---------------------------------------- 
SO.. all of the stations you worked will not get credit for working you?? At 
least submit a "check log". 
Al 
WA4EWV 
with a blown 8877. 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "OK1DFC" <ok1dfc at seznam.cz> 
To: "Moon-Net" <moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net> 
Cc: "Moon" <moon at moonbounce.info> 
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 12:06 PM 
Subject: [Moon-net] ARRL EME 


> 
> Hi EME gang, 
> thank you to all of you for nice QSOs and fun during past weekend. I am 
> ending with score 86QSOx38multi. But how I was presenting in Florence, I 
> do not send log because rules for ARRL contest are so strange and I do not 
> agree with them. More details including calls I will public in Al K2UYH NL 
> and also on my web I will put MP3 samples. I have tested during contest 
> IC7700 and was very surprise how the DSP is working in this TRX. Only one 
> station I was not able to read and he left before I was able to 
> identificate who is it. Only what I remember that between deep fading he 
> was sending in spred groups M666FFF and again deep fading, I am looking 
> who it was. 
> Looking forward to work all of you in next EME window if weather permit. 
> My final score after contest with initials is #241. Up to 15th of December 
> I am traveling again, but from 15th I have holiday and will spend more 
> time with QSLs etc. 
> 
> Regards 
> Zdenek - OK1DFC 
> www.ok1dfc.com 
> QRV 144 - 3400 MHz EME 
> QRO and 10m DISH 
> WAC 432 - 1296 MHz 
> 
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QRV 144 - 3400 MHz EME 
QRO and 10m DISH 
WAC 432 - 1296 MHz


From sm5le at telia.com  Mon Nov 17 10:52:01 2008
From: sm5le at telia.com (SM5LE)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:52:01 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest 2nd leg rusults 1296 de SM5LE
Message-ID: <A441742FE5B44A978E594B24B526100D@sven8aee87826d>

Hi

Did work 8 CW QSO:n the 15th nov.

DL0SHF, RA3AQ, IW2FZR, G5CCH, K2DH, PI9CAM, OZ4MM.

Total 26 QSO. One (1) more than last year :-)

73 Sven SM5LE
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From pa3cwn at tele2.nl  Mon Nov 17 12:39:19 2008
From: pa3cwn at tele2.nl (Oene)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:39:19 +0100
Subject: [Moon] PA3CWN 144 Mhz CW Results
Message-ID: <492157E7.4050105@tele2.nl>

Hello All,

I was QRV for most hours in the 2nd part of ARRL and found condx worse
compared to the days just before the contest when sigs were extremely good
and I worked Keith G4FUF as CW initial nr. 77. But it was not only the condx
that gave bad results. The number of active stations was very low and in 
the relative
short time that I am qrv on 2m CW EME now I see it's going fast downhill.

In 2007 I had more qso's in the first leg (26)  as the 21 now in total 
on both legs.
But I have had a good time this weekend ,despite my goal was to do all 
random
just as in the first leg, but activity was that low, so I logged into 
the N0UK chat
and could arrange some skeds;  qso's that otherwise would not have been 
made.

I had to give CQ myself for looooong times and happily got some reply 
from Joe
K9MRI with good signals and OK1VVP who is on my wish list for quite some
time, came in with good signals to hand over initial 78. The other advantage
was a comfertable temperature in the shack
The test with Marcello IT9CJC lasted an hour and his sigs were very low and
it took the most time to dig both calls out.   On the other hand my sigs 
were
very good at Marcello his place, as I heard on the MP3 he sent me and very
nice to hear my own signals after being bounced by the moon :-) It was 
typical
one way propagation.
Sunday early morning condx were good again and was able to work DK3NG
again. Loud tropo, but very nice to see the eme sigs in Spectran and 
separate
them with the DSP. Joachim has 2x2m5wl / 600W.
I missed PI9CAM when they were qrv in CW,as I heard from Christian CXO.
But by that time doppler was exactly 0 Hz, so no change w/o long intervals,
because of there huge tropo sigs.
RU1AA Alex was called in CW when He was in JT65. To my pleasure he
responded immediately in CW so probably my first random qso when calling
a JT65 station. Thanks Alex; good operating skills !!!
Hrd in the 2nd leg else were: OK1MS (wonderfull signals Stan ! ), IK1FJI
(Loud as usual) , WA9KRT ( Don appeared real Loud but vanished then due
to the fact of his non elevating array.), F0CXO, YO2AMU, SP7DCS, LA8YB

First leg:
OK1MS, DK3NG *75, IK1FJI, SP7DCS, IK2DDR, W5UN, RA6AX, F1FLA,
LA8YB, IK3MAC, F0CXO, OZ1HNE, PA2CHR *76

Second Leg:
RU1AA, K9MRI, K6AAW, OZ1HNE (dupe), YO2AMU, DK3NG (dupe),
OK1VVP *78, IT9CJC, W3TWX,  F1FLA  (dupe), K5QE
 
I will be qrv next month again in the Dubus as my earlier mentioned 
change of
QTH has been postponed in the last second, giving me the change to  
participate
in CW again and hope it will be a good activity then, as the monthly 
Dubus Events
seems to have much more participants as ARRL contest this year.

I am glad and surprised by the mails from participants on the higher 
bands and already
purchased a 23 cm rig , so now I have to browse the internet for some 
parabolic mesh
dish designs to built next year.
I had not realized at all, as I was focussing on 23 cm only, till Peter 
SM2CEW
told me that this dish can also be used for 70cm, which means an extra 
band, I
had totally not thought of :-)

Let's see what time brings !!

Vy 73 Oene
PA3CWN
JO33ah
4x9 ele DK7ZB h 18.5 dBd, LNA ATF54143 in shack,  GS35b







From ON4BCB at skynet.be  Mon Nov 17 17:52:13 2008
From: ON4BCB at skynet.be (ON4BCB Walter)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:52:13 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest 1st and 2nd leg rusults 1296 de ON4BCB
References: <A441742FE5B44A978E594B24B526100D@sven8aee87826d>
Message-ID: <531E190F53B8455BAEF96096077A73BB@p4>

HI,

Here is my log, I participated  a few hours in the first leg, friday and 
sunday evening during the second leg
So i missed the saterday evening event.

As so many I dont send a log the the ARRL,everyone except them knows why !!!
We had a great activity and a lot fun which is the most important !!!

18/10:
DL0SHF,OK1DFC,OK1CA,LA9NEA,G3LTF
19/10:
K1RQG,RA3AQ,IW2FZR,VE6TA,SM5LE,DL1YMK,HB9Q,W9IIX,HB9HAL

15/11:
G4CCH,DL0SHF,RA3AQ,LA9NEA,ES5PC,SP6JLW,K1RQG,OH2DG,OK3RM,I5MPK,DF3RU,K5JL
16/11:
OZ6OL,OK1CA,VK3UM,F2TU,OE5JFL,IK3COJ,UT5JCW,JA8IAD,IK2MMB,F5FEN,G3LTF,ON7UN,
JA4BLC,LX1DB,SV3AAF,JA6AHB,DL2HWA,DL1HYZ,UR5LX,PA3FXB,ES5PC,DF3RU


Missed IQ4DF for my Italian List

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To: "Moonbounce" <moon at moonbounce.info>; "MOON_NET" 
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Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:52 AM
Subject: [Moon-net] ARRL contest 2nd leg rusults 1296 de SM5LE


> Hi
>
> Did work 8 CW QSO:n the 15th nov.
>
> DL0SHF, RA3AQ, IW2FZR, G5CCH, K2DH, PI9CAM, OZ4MM.
>
> Total 26 QSO. One (1) more than last year :-)
>
> 73 Sven SM5LE
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From Bruinier at t-online.de  Tue Nov 18 12:17:00 2008
From: Bruinier at t-online.de (Johann Bruinier)
Date: 18 Nov 2008 11:17 GMT
Subject: [Moon] ARRL DL9KR 70cm CW
Message-ID: <1L2Oam-12OT5M0@fwd02.aul.t-online.de>

Gentlemen,

thanks for the various QSOs and RX reports!

Due to family activities around my 73rd birthday and lack of motivation under the new contest rules, I regarded this contest as sort of 2 activity weekends. Thus I only put in a puny 4 hrs of total operating time.
Worked were:

Oct-18 OH2DG, G4RGK, UA3PTW, I1NDP, JA5NNS, FR5DN, OH2PO, PI9CAM #877, LZ1DX, DF3RU, K4EME, DL1YMK, N4GJV, KE2N, W8TXT, SP6JLW and DL7APV.

Nov-15 SP7DCS, UT5DL, SM4IVE, SD3F, UA6LGH, K0RZ, LZ1DX dupe, OE5JFL and KL6M.

Nov-16 JA9BOH, G3LQR, JJ1NNJ, G4ALH and G4YTL.

I will send a CHECK log to ARRL.

As long as CW and WSJT are not treated separately (at whichever weekends or just one weekend), I shall participate in the "activity weekend mode" only.

73 Jan DL9KR.


PS: WA6PY hrd 569. Nov-10 A43DLH #878 DXCC 101.


From guenter.koellner at nsn.com  Tue Nov 18 12:22:31 2008
From: guenter.koellner at nsn.com (Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich))
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:22:31 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Sending logs at least as checklogs
In-Reply-To: <1L2Oam-12OT5M0@fwd02.aul.t-online.de>
References: <1L2Oam-12OT5M0@fwd02.aul.t-online.de>
Message-ID: <B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC013433DF@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>

Hello,

probably it is in deed a better idea to send a log as check log instead of sending none....

If you don't send a log, ARRL will not recognize anything
If there is a significant number of check logs, then they will do.

In case that more would agree to this, I am thinking about participating.

73, G?nter, DL4MEA
 


From on4dpx at skynet.be  Tue Nov 18 13:08:09 2008
From: on4dpx at skynet.be (ON4DPX Kenny)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:08:09 +0100
Subject: [Moon] 23cm amplifier
Message-ID: <006001c94976$540349c0$c102a8c0@orion>

Hello , 

Recently I started to rebuild my EME station . The main focus this time is 23/13cm bands . 
I'm collecting now all the bits and pieces for 23cm . So far everything is ready except the dish and feed and some good output power ... 

My favorite amps are solid state ones , just because I don't like to work with HV and I'm not that experienced with tube amps . 

Required power is minimum 300W to get started , of course the more the better . 

So I'm looking for good designs and sources where I can find the things I would need . 
Also any recommendation/advice is very welcome as 23cm EME is totaly new approach for me .

2nd hand offers are also welcome but I rather build the equipment myself as I have done with all the other equipment . 

My goal is to be operational on 23cm at the end of january 2009 , with a 3,6m dish . 

Many thanks in advance . 

Best regards,
Kenny ON4DPX

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From dl7apv at gmx.de  Tue Nov 18 22:32:55 2008
From: dl7apv at gmx.de (Bernd Wilde)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:32:55 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL DL9KR 70cm CW
In-Reply-To: <1L2Oam-12OT5M0@fwd02.aul.t-online.de>
References: <1L2Oam-12OT5M0@fwd02.aul.t-online.de>
Message-ID: <49233487.7040105@gmx.de>

Hello Jan and all,

I think thats a good idea. I first wont send in a log, but sending a 
checklog with a comment should be more helpful for us.
Seperate weekends or seperate classes would be fine, but seperated. 
Myself I would prefer seperate weekends than I can do both. To say 
something positive, activity on 432 was very nice on both weekends on 
both modes. wkd 18 # in contest and was very pleased to work before 2nd 
part A43DLH and in 2nd part KG6DX for 2 new countries. final 91x40 mixed.


73 Bernd DL7APV


Johann Bruinier schrieb:

>Gentlemen,
>
>thanks for the various QSOs and RX reports!
>
>Due to family activities around my 73rd birthday and lack of motivation under the new contest rules, I regarded this contest as sort of 2 activity weekends. Thus I only put in a puny 4 hrs of total operating time.
>Worked were:
>
>Oct-18 OH2DG, G4RGK, UA3PTW, I1NDP, JA5NNS, FR5DN, OH2PO, PI9CAM #877, LZ1DX, DF3RU, K4EME, DL1YMK, N4GJV, KE2N, W8TXT, SP6JLW and DL7APV.
>
>Nov-15 SP7DCS, UT5DL, SM4IVE, SD3F, UA6LGH, K0RZ, LZ1DX dupe, OE5JFL and KL6M.
>
>Nov-16 JA9BOH, G3LQR, JJ1NNJ, G4ALH and G4YTL.
>
>I will send a CHECK log to ARRL.
>
>As long as CW and WSJT are not treated separately (at whichever weekends or just one weekend), I shall participate in the "activity weekend mode" only.
>
>73 Jan DL9KR.
>
>
>PS: WA6PY hrd 569. Nov-10 A43DLH #878 DXCC 101.
>
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From howard at g4cch.com  Tue Nov 18 22:38:56 2008
From: howard at g4cch.com (Howard Ling)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:38:56 -0000
Subject: [Moon] G4CCH Callsigns worked during October & November contest
	weekends
Message-ID: <105827290/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/88.104.31.191/11/18/08/21:38:57@mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com>

This was not really a serious effort on my part, as I like so many others
had decided not send in a contest entry... but I was interested in working
whoever was on. 

I suspect that to have done much better, I would have had to put a lot more
time and effort in during the night... I wasn't up for that, the first
weekend was only 2 days after an op on my foot, and I had to return to work
the next day after the second weekend. 

Also, to get a good place in the most challenging category (CW  unassisted)
would require concentration on just anolog QSO's and potentially missing
some digital initials...  so no point in working digital and include the
QSO's in a contest entry to end up being placed 1st out of 1 like last year,
hi!  So I just went ahead and did my own thing at a relaxed pace and had
some fun.

Here's a list of stations in my log for the two weekends

72 x Analog
AL7RT, AL7RT, DF1SR, DF3RU, DL0SHF, DL1YMK, DL4DTU, DL4MEA, DL6SH, EA2LU,
ES5PC, F2TU, F5FEN, F5VHX, G3LTF, HB9DGK, HB9GR, HB9Q, I5MPK, IK2MMB,
IK3COJ, IW2FZR, IZ4BPN,
JA4HZN, JA4LJB, JA6AHB, JA6CZD, JA8ERE, JA8IAD, JH5LUZ, K1JT, K1RQG, K1RQG,
K2DH, K4QI, K7XQ, LA2Z, LA9NEA, LX1DB, N2UO, NA4N, NY2Z, OE9ERC, OH2DG,
OK1CA, OK2KJT, OK3RM,  ON4BCB, ON5RR, ON7UN, OZ4MM, PA3CSG, PA3FXB, PI9CAM,
PY2BS, RA3AQ, RK3WWF, RW3PX, SD3F, SM5LE, SP6JLW, SP7DCS, SV3AAF, UR5LX,
UT5JCW, VA7MM, VK3NX, VK4AFL, W9IIX, WA5WCP, WW2R.

Including 7 Initials
Missed  DL1HYZ, HB9SV, IK2RTI, JA6XED,  RA6DA, RA3EC, RU3ACE (RD3DA), SM4DHN
and VE6TA


12 x Digital
EA3XU, G4CBW, HB9EHJ/P, K1JT, K6JEY, K7XQ, PA3FXB, PY2BS, RW6AG, UT3LL,
VA7MM, VK2JDS

Including 4 Initials
Missed DJ9YW, G4DZU, IK5WJD and W7UPF

I did monitor HB8Q's logger and occasionally ON4KST chat, but this is NOT my
normal practice during Contests. It was interesting to note that some
stations known to be entering the contest were listed as logged on during
the contest... perhaps they forgot to log out... or did they?

Curiously, the contest seems to have generated possibly the largest level of
activity on 23cm that I've known during my 26 years experience... despite
all the disagreements about the rules.
Just think what we could have had if we had some sensible rules, and those
that said I'm not even going to operate had pitched up too! 


Thanks to all for a great time... 

Best 73

Howard, G4CCH
www.g4cch.com


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From dl5mae at yahoo.de  Wed Nov 19 01:31:07 2008
From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:31:07 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Moon] ARRL DL9KR 70cm CW / 73sssssssssss
In-Reply-To: <1L2Oam-12OT5M0@fwd02.aul.t-online.de>
Message-ID: <418378.8773.qm@web23708.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Jan, 
?
?
wishing you all the very best , good health , good DX and many 73 for your 73.birthday!!! 
?
vy 73 de DL5MAE WOlfgang
?
P.S: I was not QRV for ARRL EME INTERNET-CHAT-PARTY...(as Howard, G4CCH, noticed, many "forgot" to check out from chatroom during "contest")

--- Johann Bruinier <Bruinier at t-online.de> schrieb am Di, 18.11.2008:

Von: Johann Bruinier <Bruinier at t-online.de>
Betreff: [Moon] ARRL DL9KR 70cm CW
An: moon at moonbounce.info, moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net, k1rqg at aol.com, a.katz at ieee.org
Datum: Dienstag, 18. November 2008, 12:17

Gentlemen,

thanks for the various QSOs and RX reports!

Due to family activities around my 73rd birthday and lack of motivation under
the new contest rules, I regarded this contest as sort of 2 activity weekends.
Thus I only put in a puny 4 hrs of total operating time.
Worked were:

Oct-18 OH2DG, G4RGK, UA3PTW, I1NDP, JA5NNS, FR5DN, OH2PO, PI9CAM #877, LZ1DX,
DF3RU, K4EME, DL1YMK, N4GJV, KE2N, W8TXT, SP6JLW and DL7APV.

Nov-15 SP7DCS, UT5DL, SM4IVE, SD3F, UA6LGH, K0RZ, LZ1DX dupe, OE5JFL and KL6M.

Nov-16 JA9BOH, G3LQR, JJ1NNJ, G4ALH and G4YTL.

I will send a CHECK log to ARRL.

As long as CW and WSJT are not treated separately (at whichever weekends or
just one weekend), I shall participate in the "activity weekend mode"
only.

73 Jan DL9KR.


PS: WA6PY hrd 569. Nov-10 A43DLH #878 DXCC 101.

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From frankddr at tele2.it  Wed Nov 19 08:59:26 2008
From: frankddr at tele2.it (frankddr at tele2.it)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:59:26 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL 2m eme Contest 2008
In-Reply-To: <105827290/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/88.104.31.191/11/18/08/21:38:57@mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com>
References: <105827290/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/88.104.31.191/11/18/08/21:38:57@mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com>
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From ibnkarim at bigpond.net.au  Wed Nov 19 12:15:40 2008
From: ibnkarim at bigpond.net.au (Charlie Kahwagi)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:15:40 +1100
Subject: [Moon] 23cm weekend
Message-ID: <D83F78AE7337471D96804AE1E5C4DC81@Charlieoffice>

Hello gentlemen

                        Many tnx for all the QSO's on the weekend.  I had a
great time for my first outing on this band and delightfully surprised how
many stations are QRV with big signals.

 

I apologise for the number of stations who called me and only got QRZ  or
YYY from me.   At 1am - 7am,  the brain is not working very well!!

 

Stations wkd,   K1RQG  VE6TA  VK3UM HB9Q  RA3AQ  OZ4MM  HB9GR   K5JR   K1JT
WA4BLT  JA6CZD  OK1CA  OZ6OL  F2TU DL4MEA   IK3COJ  G3LTF G4CCH  IK2MMB
LX1DB

 

My  apologies to the following stations,  whom I think called me but I just
couldn't dig out the calls (Lack of sleep is my excuse!)    UT5JCW  VA7MM
ON7UN  OZ4MM  

There were also F5?  and  JA4?

 

If  you heard me and / or  called me I would appreciate if you could drop me
an email.

I hope to get on again in a few weeks to work some more.

 

73 Charlie  VK3NX 

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From joe at Princeton.EDU  Wed Nov 19 14:52:44 2008
From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:52:44 -0500
Subject: [Moon] ARRL Contest results
Message-ID: <49241A2C.5000108@princeton.edu>

The K1JT and K2UYH stations again joined forces to make a 
Multi-Op, All Band, Mixed-Mode entry for the ARRL EME 
contest using the callsign K1JT.  Operators K1JT and K2UYH 
were joined by K2TXB, K2LNS, K1DS, K2BMI, and W2KV.  We had 
a great time working together on the 144, 432, 1296, 2.3G, 
and 10G bands.  No internet, no chats, no real-time liaisons 
of any sort.  We operated in random, unassisted mode.

Our band-by-band totals are as follows:

Band  (CW + JT65) = TotalQSOs x Mults
-------------------------------------
144:  (10 + 175)  = 185 x 65
432:  (35 + 10)   = 45  x 31
1296: (82 + 13)   = 95  x 37
2.3G: (24 + 0)    = 24  x 20
10G:  (8  + 0)    = 8   x 7
-------------------------------------
Total (159 + 198) = 357 x 160

In September and October our antennas look through thick 
foliage at moon elevations <25 deg.  By November many leaves 
are off the trees, so our useful windows are somewhat 
longer.  This year the weather was bad in central New Jersey 
during the November weekend, producing heavy rain static on 
2m for parts of each moon pass.  As for many of us, birdies 
and other man-made QRM/QRN continue to get worse every year, 
especially on 144 and 432 MHz.

In general we thought activity levels were excellent, with 
the following exceptions: 144 CW activity was poor, and 432 
activity was well below that of the 1990s.  On the plus 
side, activity on 1296 is substantially up.  CW dominated on 
both 432 and 1296, but there was more JT65 activity on these 
bands than in the past.  JT65 was dominant on 144 MHz.

We worked nearly everyone we could copy ... but of course 
there were some calls that got away.  Most of these appeared 
to be stations operating in Assisted mode, who did not 
listen for tail-enders and seldom or never called CQ. 
Almost without exception, whenever such a station (someone 
we had been keeping an eye on) finally called CQ, we worked 
him quickly.


Here's an interesting breakdown of our QSOs by band and 
continent:

Band    EU   NA   AS   SA   OC   AF  Total
------------------------------------------
144    117   46   18    2    1    1    185
432     27   15    2    0    1    0     45
1296    57   25    9    1    3    0     95
2.3G    16    8    0    0    0    0     24
10G      6    2    0    0    0    0      8
------------------------------------------
Total  223   96   29    3    5    1    357


Our equipment:

Band  Power  Antenna      Receiver(s)
-------------------------------------------------
144   1100   4 x 14 xpol  WSE + Linrad + MAP65
432   1000   8 m dish     TS-2000, FT-847, SDR-IQ
1296  500    8 m dish     TS-2000, FT-847, SDR-IQ
2.3G  80     8 m dish     TS-2000, FT-847
10G   100    8 m dish     TS-2000, FT-847

Many thanks to all for the contest QSOs -- and for three 
weekends of thoroughly enjoyable EME activities!

-- 73 de Joe/K1JT, Al/K2UYH, Russ/K2TXB, Herb/K2LNS,
            Rick/K1DS, Jack/K2BMI, Dave/W2KV


From joe at Princeton.EDU  Wed Nov 19 15:28:16 2008
From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:28:16 -0500
Subject: [Moon] ARRL Contest results
Message-ID: <49242280.1000609@princeton.edu>

The K1JT and K2UYH stations again joined forces to make a 
Multi-Op, All Band, Mixed-Mode entry for the ARRL EME 
contest using the callsign K1JT.  Operators K1JT and K2UYH 
were joined by K2TXB, K2LNS, K1DS, K2BMI, and W2KV.  We had 
a great time working together on the 144, 432, 1296, 2.3G, 
and 10G bands.  No internet, no chats, no real-time liaisons 
of any sort.  We operated in random, unassisted mode.

Our band-by-band totals are as follows:

Band  (CW + JT65) = TotalQSOs x Mults
-------------------------------------
144:  (10 + 175)  = 185 x 65
432:  (35 + 10)   = 45  x 31
1296: (82 + 13)   = 95  x 37
2.3G: (24 + 0)    = 24  x 20
10G:  (8  + 0)    = 8   x 7
-------------------------------------
Total (159 + 198) = 357 x 160

In September and October our antennas look through thick 
foliage at moon elevations <25 deg.  By November many leaves 
are off the trees, so our useful windows are somewhat 
longer.  This year the weather was bad in central New Jersey 
during the November weekend, producing heavy rain static on 
2m for parts of each moon pass.  As for many of us, birdies 
and other man-made QRM/QRN continue to get worse every year, 
especially on 144 and 432 MHz.

In general we thought activity levels were excellent, with 
the following exceptions: 144 CW activity was poor, and 432 
activity was well below that of the 1990s.  On the plus 
side, activity on 1296 is substantially up.  CW dominated on 
both 432 and 1296, but there was more JT65 activity on these 
bands than in the past.  JT65 was dominant on 144 MHz.

We worked nearly everyone we could copy ... but of course 
there were some calls that got away.  Most of these appeared 
to be stations operating in Assisted mode, who did not 
listen for tail-enders and seldom or never called CQ. Almost 
without exception, whenever such a station (someone we had 
been keeping an eye on) finally called CQ, we worked him 
quickly.


Here's an interesting breakdown of our QSOs by band and 
continent:

Band    EU   NA   AS   SA   OC   AF  Total
------------------------------------------
144    117   46   18    2    1    1    185
432     27   15    2    0    1    0     45
1296    57   25    9    1    3    0     95
2.3G    16    8    0    0    0    0     24
10G      6    2    0    0    0    0      8
------------------------------------------
Total  223   96   29    3    5    1    357


Our equipment:

Band  Power  Antenna      Receiver(s)
-------------------------------------------------
144   1100   4 x 14 xpol  WSE + Linrad + MAP65
432   1000   8 m dish     TS-2000, FT-847, SDR-IQ
1296  500    8 m dish     TS-2000, FT-847, SDR-IQ
2.3G  80     8 m dish     TS-2000, FT-847
10G   100    8 m dish     TS-2000, FT-847

Many thanks to all for the contest QSOs -- and for three 
weekends of thoroughly enjoyable EME activities!

-- 73 de Joe/K1JT, Al/K2UYH, Russ/K2TXB, Herb/K2LNS,
            Rick/K1DS, Jack/K2BMI, Dave/W2KV


From joe at Princeton.EDU  Wed Nov 19 18:52:06 2008
From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:52:06 -0500
Subject: [Moon] ARRL Contest results
Message-ID: <49245246.3040906@princeton.edu>

The K1JT and K2UYH stations again joined forces to make a 
Multi-Op, All Band, Mixed-Mode entry for the ARRL EME 
contest using the callsign K1JT.  Operators K1JT and K2UYH 
were joined by K2TXB, K2LNS, K1DS, K2BMI, and W2KV.  We had 
a great time working together on the 144, 432, 1296, 2.3G, 
and 10G bands.  No internet, no chats, no real-time liaisons 
of any sort.  We operated in random, unassisted mode.

Our band-by-band totals are as follows:

Band  (CW + JT65) = TotalQSOs x Mults
-------------------------------------
144:  (10 + 175)  = 185 x 65
432:  (35 + 10)   = 45  x 31
1296: (82 + 13)   = 95  x 37
2.3G: (24 + 0)    = 24  x 20
10G:  (8  + 0)    = 8   x 7
-------------------------------------
Total (159 + 198) = 357 x 160

In September and October our antennas look through thick 
foliage at moon elevations <25 deg.  By November many leaves 
are off the trees, so our useful windows are somewhat 
longer.  This year the weather was bad in central New Jersey 
during the November weekend, producing heavy rain static on 
2m for parts of each moon pass.  As for many of us, birdies 
and other man-made QRM/QRN continue to get worse every year, 
especially on 144 and 432 MHz.

In general we thought activity levels were excellent, with 
the following exceptions: 144 CW activity was poor, and 432 
activity was well below that of the 1990s.  On the plus 
side, activity on 1296 is substantially up.  CW dominated on 
both 432 and 1296, but there was more JT65 activity on these 
bands than in the past.  JT65 was dominant on 144 MHz.

We worked nearly everyone we could copy ... but of course 
there were some calls that got away.  Most of these appeared 
to be stations operating in Assisted mode, who did not 
listen for tail-enders and seldom or never called CQ. Almost 
without exception, whenever such a station (someone we had 
been keeping an eye on) finally called CQ, we worked him 
quickly.


Here's an interesting breakdown of our QSOs by band and 
continent:

Band    EU   NA   AS   SA   OC   AF  Total
------------------------------------------
144    117   46   18    2    1    1    185
432     27   15    2    0    1    0     45
1296    57   25    9    1    3    0     95
2.3G    16    8    0    0    0    0     24
10G      6    2    0    0    0    0      8
------------------------------------------
Total  223   96   29    3    5    1    357


Our equipment:

Band  Power  Antenna      Receiver(s)
-------------------------------------------------
144   1100   4 x 14 xpol  WSE + Linrad + MAP65
432   1000   8 m dish     TS-2000, FT-847, SDR-IQ
1296  500    8 m dish     TS-2000, FT-847, SDR-IQ
2.3G  80     8 m dish     TS-2000, FT-847
10G   100    8 m dish     TS-2000, FT-847

Many thanks to all for the contest QSOs -- and for three 
weekends of thoroughly enjoyable EME activities!

-- 73 de Joe/K1JT, Al/K2UYH, Russ/K2TXB, Herb/K2LNS,
            Rick/K1DS, Jack/K2BMI, Dave/W2KV


From joe at Princeton.EDU  Wed Nov 19 19:11:47 2008
From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:11:47 -0500
Subject: [Moon] ARRL Contest results
In-Reply-To: <D1A65D25A1CB44998FA9BC0A0B4205EC@RADIO>
References: <49245246.3040906@princeton.edu>
	<D1A65D25A1CB44998FA9BC0A0B4205EC@RADIO>
Message-ID: <492456E3.5090800@princeton.edu>

My apologies to all for the duplicate messages.

Each time I sent my email, I got the following response:

> Erro ao enviar o email para 'py1epu'
> A caixa postal do destinatario esta cheia. O email foi recusado
> The mailbox is full. The email was rejected.

I assumed that the message came from the addressee, 
<moon at moonbounce.info>, and that the problem would soon be 
corrected ... so I tried again.

I receive Moon messages in a daily digest, so I haven't seen 
any results yet.

Again, sorry for the extra messages.

	-- 73, Joe, K1JT


From sm5le at telia.com  Thu Nov 20 10:26:28 2008
From: sm5le at telia.com (SM5LE)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:26:28 +0100
Subject: [Moon] SM5LE are now QRT EME
Message-ID: <27E1F61DB4A24F2BA3A3610BC83A916A@sven8aee87826d>

Hi all

I just want to announce that me ; SM5LE are now QRT EME and 50 MHz etc.
It is my normal "hobby ration"; Swedish folk music and amateur radio in  ~10 years periods.
A lot of stuff are going to be sold out , but for pick up in Stockholm only.

For Sweden; pse look at http://www.dx-radio.se/  under "Elelktroniktorget".
"Continuously upgrading". Small packages can be sent by post if the postage paid by the recipient


Pse don't be sad (I am) all you EME people are so very much kind in all ways .


73 CU next time.

Sven SM5LE


ps to Chris SM0IOT : Krille , ska Du k?pa parran med stativ/rotor/matare/LNA/mm ?   :-)

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From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Thu Nov 20 11:06:07 2008
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (peter blair)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:06:07 -0000
Subject: [Moon] SM5LE are now QRT EME
References: <27E1F61DB4A24F2BA3A3610BC83A916A@sven8aee87826d>
Message-ID: <D9ACD895321A4A35A32ABFE708C374D4@D7BX6Z0J>

 Dear Sven,  I am not alone in saying that we will miss your signal off the moon. It was great to have the pleasure of working you via this mode especially when our first QSO was in the very early days of MS, about 1962 I think!   I do hope that you will leave your web pages  available because there is a lot of useful experimental data there especially for newcomers with small systems. I dont know if thats possible.... if not perhaps someone else could have them.... Im not an expert in this area!
 Congratulations on your achievements and enjoy the next cycle of your hobbies. CUL I hope.
 Vy 73 Peter G3LTF 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: SM5LE 
  To: Moonbounce ; MOON_NET 
  Cc: SM0FOB ; SM0DXG, Anders ; Al Katz ; sm5iot at telia.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:26 AM
  Subject: [Moon] SM5LE are now QRT EME


  Hi all

  I just want to announce that me ; SM5LE are now QRT EME and 50 MHz etc.
  It is my normal "hobby ration"; Swedish folk music and amateur radio in  ~10 years periods.
  A lot of stuff are going to be sold out , but for pick up in Stockholm only.

  For Sweden; pse look at http://www.dx-radio.se/  under "Elelktroniktorget".
  "Continuously upgrading". Small packages can be sent by post if the postage paid by the recipient


  Pse don't be sad (I am) all you EME people are so very much kind in all ways .


  73 CU next time.

  Sven SM5LE


  ps to Chris SM0IOT : Krille , ska Du k?pa parran med stativ/rotor/matare/LNA/mm ?   :-)

   


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From ON4BCB at skynet.be  Thu Nov 20 13:10:06 2008
From: ON4BCB at skynet.be (ON4BCB Walter)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:10:06 +0100
Subject: [Moon] SM5LE are now QRT EME
References: <27E1F61DB4A24F2BA3A3610BC83A916A@sven8aee87826d>
Message-ID: <FA9DB5E86CF14166B499DFEF8A4F8C7C@p4>

Hi sven

Very sad to hear the news, but it is a hobby for fun whatever fun might be !!!

I'm shure that with all the efforts you have done, the EME virus will get you back in a few years

Have fun, and thanks for the nice contacts !!!

ON4BCB

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: SM5LE 
  To: Moonbounce ; MOON_NET 
  Cc: SM0FOB ; SM0DXG, Anders ; Al Katz ; sm5iot at telia.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:26 AM
  Subject: [Moon] SM5LE are now QRT EME


  Hi all

  I just want to announce that me ; SM5LE are now QRT EME and 50 MHz etc.
  It is my normal "hobby ration"; Swedish folk music and amateur radio in  ~10 years periods.
  A lot of stuff are going to be sold out , but for pick up in Stockholm only.

  For Sweden; pse look at http://www.dx-radio.se/  under "Elelktroniktorget".
  "Continuously upgrading". Small packages can be sent by post if the postage paid by the recipient


  Pse don't be sad (I am) all you EME people are so very much kind in all ways .


  73 CU next time.

  Sven SM5LE


  ps to Chris SM0IOT : Krille , ska Du k?pa parran med stativ/rotor/matare/LNA/mm ?   :-)

   


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From sv3aaf at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 13:17:35 2008
From: sv3aaf at yahoo.com (SV3AAF Petros)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:17:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Moon] SM5LE are now QRT EME
In-Reply-To: <27E1F61DB4A24F2BA3A3610BC83A916A@sven8aee87826d>
Message-ID: <384870.43090.qm@web59101.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Dear Sven,

I hope your decision is not due to the arrl CON test (the decay of a contest)... hi hi.

Anyway, I wish you best of luck and enjoyment at your future endeavors and always secretly hopping to copy your moonbounced signals again out of the blue one day. Please do not preannounce it when it is about to happen!!

I very much appreciate your published work on EME and hope it will remain available on the internet, maybe under another host. When my own ambition to publish blind guide info to hams for embarking on the EME boat materializes, I would have to include a link to your valuable ?real applications ? real world? info.

Take care, 73 de Petros sv3aaf


--- On Thu, 11/20/08, SM5LE <sm5le at telia.com> wrote:
From: SM5LE <sm5le at telia.com>
Subject: [Moon] SM5LE are now QRT EME
To: "Moonbounce" <moon at moonbounce.info>, "MOON_NET" <moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net>
Cc: "SM0FOB" <sm0fob at gmail.com>, "SM0DXG, Anders" <anders.eltvik at telia.com>, "Al Katz" <a.katz at ieee.org>, sm5iot at telia.com
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 11:26 AM



 
 

Hi all
?
I just want to announce that me ; SM5LE are now QRT EME and 50 MHz 
etc.
It is my normal ?hobby ration?; Swedish folk music and amateur radio in 
?~10 years periods.
A?lot of stuff are going to be sold out , but 
for pick up?in Stockholm only.
?
For Sweden; pse look at http://www.dx-radio.se/? under 
?Elelktroniktorget?.

"Continuously upgrading". 
Small packages can be sent by post?if the postage paid by the 
recipient
?
?
Pse don?t be sad (I am) all you EME people are so very much kind in all 
ways ?
?

73 CU next time.
?
Sven SM5LE
?
?
ps to Chris SM0IOT : Krille , ska Du k?pa parran med 
stativ/rotor/matare/LNA/mm ??? :-)

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From hughd at cogeco.ca  Thu Nov 20 14:04:11 2008
From: hughd at cogeco.ca (Hugh Duff)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:04:11 -0500
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] SM5LE are now QRT EME
In-Reply-To: <27E1F61DB4A24F2BA3A3610BC83A916A@sven8aee87826d>
References: <27E1F61DB4A24F2BA3A3610BC83A916A@sven8aee87826d>
Message-ID: <4925604B.8090103@cogeco.ca>

Hi Sven.
I am sorry to hear that you are going QRT on EME.
The success you had with your small station and the experiments to 
optimize it which were published on your web site have inspired me to 
setup my own small 23cm station. Thanks for your efforts !

All the best to you and I hope to hear that maybe one day you will be 
back on the moon.

73, Hugh VA3TO


SM5LE wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I just want to announce that me ; SM5LE are now QRT EME and 50 MHz etc.
> It is my normal "hobby ration"; Swedish folk music and amateur radio in  ~10 years periods.
> A lot of stuff are going to be sold out , but for pick up in Stockholm only.
>
> For Sweden; pse look at http://www.dx-radio.se/  under "Elelktroniktorget".
> "Continuously upgrading". Small packages can be sent by post if the postage paid by the recipient
>
>
> Pse don't be sad (I am) all you EME people are so very much kind in all ways .
>
>
> 73 CU next time.
>
> Sven SM5LE
>
>
> ps to Chris SM0IOT : Krille , ska Du k?pa parran med stativ/rotor/matare/LNA/mm ?   :-)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html
>
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From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Thu Nov 20 14:09:11 2008
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:09:11 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] SM5LE are now QRT EME
In-Reply-To: <27E1F61DB4A24F2BA3A3610BC83A916A@sven8aee87826d>
Message-ID: <764.1538-3237-1585445844-1227186551@seznam.cz>

Pity Sven, I will miss you. Your signal was now correctly readable and was easy to work you. So good luck and hope to hear you in next future maybe on 13cm :-) 
RGS Zdenek OK1DFC 

------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ 
Od: SM5LE <sm5le at telia.com> 
P?edm?t: [Moon-net] SM5LE are now QRT EME 
Datum: 20.11.2008 10:28:34 
---------------------------------------- 
Hi all 

I just want to announce that me ; SM5LE are now QRT EME and 50 MHz etc. 
It is my normal "hobby ration"; Swedish folk music and amateur radio in ~10 
years periods. 
A lot of stuff are going to be sold out , but for pick up in Stockholm only. 

For Sweden; pse look at http://www.dx-radio.se/ under "Elelktroniktorget". 
"Continuously upgrading". Small packages can be sent by post if the postage paid 
by the recipient 


Pse don't be sad (I am) all you EME people are so very much kind in all ways . 


73 CU next time. 

Sven SM5LE 


ps to Chris SM0IOT : Krille , ska Du k?pa parran med stativ/rotor/matare/LNA/mm 
? :-) 

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www.ok1dfc.com 
QRV 144 - 3400 MHz EME 
QRO and 10m DISH 
WAC 432 - 1296 MHz


From joe at Princeton.EDU  Thu Nov 20 15:05:59 2008
From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:05:59 -0500
Subject: [Moon] ARRL Contest rules
In-Reply-To: <49241A2C.5000108@princeton.edu>
References: <49241A2C.5000108@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <49256EC7.9090009@princeton.edu>

A brief reminder to anyone with opinions about the ARRL EME 
Contest rules:

Posting your views on this reflector lets us know how you 
feel, but it does not usefully convey those views to the ARRL.

If you feel strongly that the rules should be improved, be 
sure to send your recommendations to the Contest Branch 
Manager, Sean Kutzko, kx9x at arrl.org .

I will append my personal list of topics you might wish to 
address.  You may have other ideas, as well.

	-- 73, Joe, K1JT

Rules for the ARRL EME Contest: Topics for Discussion
------------------------------------------------------------

1. How best to divide activities on different bands among 2 
or 3 contest weekends?

2. Should CW and Digital activities take place on the same 
or different weekends?

3. Should there be any Assisted categories?  In other words, 
should any real-time liaison, solicitation, self-spotting, 
or arrangement of QSOs by non-EME means be permitted during 
the contest?

4. Should there be separate Analog, Digital, and Mixed-Mode 
entry categories?

5. Are the present "band categories" too many, or poorly 
chosen?  We now have:
    Single Band (50 144 432 1296 2.3 3.4 5.7 10 ...)
    Multi-Band (50-1296)
    Multi-Band (2.3G and up)
    Multi-Band (All Band)

6. What is the optimum format for presentation of results in 
QST and on the ARRL web site?


From dl5mae at yahoo.de  Thu Nov 20 17:07:51 2008
From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:07:51 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Moon] WG: SHUT DOWN CHATS
Message-ID: <284694.91578.qm@web23702.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

?
Hi gents, 
?
what you are requesting was a proposal (by DL6RAI and DL5MAE) for contests (=no chatroom QSOs allowed). But? DARC (German Amateur Radio Club)?denied ?to bring this up for?the CAVTAT IARU 1 Conference, which takes place now.
?
Also Peter, SM2CEW,?brought this topic up (I think it was for the Vienna conference). 
?
ARRL and their contest managers (EME contests) completly ingnored those inputs and created a contest with "wonderful" rules!!! Who was responsible for this? 
?
W9IP moderated his reflector when it came to such discussions. 
?
Nevertheless: I 100% agree with OK1DFC and HB9BBD!
?
vy 73 de DL5MAE
?


--- Wolfgang Schlaffer <dl5mae at yahoo.de> schrieb am Do, 20.11.2008:

Von: Wolfgang Schlaffer <dl5mae at yahoo.de>
Betreff: SHUT DOWN CHATS
An: dl5mae at yahoo.de
Datum: Donnerstag, 20. November 2008, 16:50










      
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From rein0zn at ix.netcom.com  Thu Nov 20 17:55:39 2008
From: rein0zn at ix.netcom.com (rein0zn at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:55:39 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Moon] SM5LE are now QRT EME
Message-ID: <13039154.1227200140068.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

HI Sven,

I am very sorry to see you leave the EME community. As I told you in the
past, I considered you as one if not the most serious weak signal persons.

From dfaessler at bluewin.ch  Thu Nov 20 18:23:11 2008
From: dfaessler at bluewin.ch (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dominique_F=E4ssler_=28HB9BBD=29?=)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:23:11 +0100
Subject: [Moon] SM5LE are now QRT EME
In-Reply-To: <13039154.1227200140068.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <48C8D42B0180020C@tr12.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)

Hi Sven

There are just a few guys out there, who have made EME on 23cm with a 8ft.
dish.
RW3BP I think had even less, G4CCH, and - believe it or not, HB9BBD 1992 to
1997. I really know, how hard it is to run a marginal antenna.
It is not sadness which is generated by decisions like yours to stop EME
(you are not SK, man!!) but reflection on the whereabouts of your decision.

My small lab offered me something else than my profession and thus I got my
internal batteries charged, building or repairing some technical stuff. It
gave me the balance of life, next to the family. Now, being not part of the
gear of a big company anymore, I seem to need my testequippment even more
than before!

Anyway, you took an interesting decision and I wish to you that you find
your equilibrium again with something totally different from EME. Once you
plan to give a concert, let us all know or even better, send the sound to
the moon - we will all listen to SM5LE who came back to EME!
73 GL HB9BBD Dominique   



-----Original Message-----
>From: SM5LE <sm5le at telia.com>
>Sent: Nov 20, 2008 1:26 AM
>To: Moonbounce <moon at moonbounce.info>, MOON_NET
<moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net>
>Cc: SM0FOB <sm0fob at gmail.com>, "SM0DXG, Anders" <anders.eltvik at telia.com>,
Al Katz <a.katz at ieee.org>, sm5iot at telia.com
>Subject: [Moon] SM5LE are now QRT EME
>
>Hi all
>
>I just want to announce that me ; SM5LE are now QRT EME and 50 MHz etc.
>It is my normal "hobby ration"; Swedish folk music and amateur radio in
~10 years periods.
>A lot of stuff are going to be sold out , but for pick up in Stockholm
only.
>
>For Sweden; pse look at http://www.dx-radio.se/  under "Elelktroniktorget".
>"Continuously upgrading". Small packages can be sent by post if the postage
paid by the recipient
>
>
>Pse don't be sad (I am) all you EME people are so very much kind in all
ways .
>
>
>73 CU next time.
>
>Sven SM5LE
>
>
>ps to Chris SM0IOT : Krille , ska Du k?pa parran med
stativ/rotor/matare/LNA/mm ?   :-)
>


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From ejespers at telenet.be  Thu Nov 20 20:50:35 2008
From: ejespers at telenet.be (Eddy Jespers)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:50:35 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] ARRL Contest rules
In-Reply-To: <49256EC7.9090009@princeton.edu>
References: <49241A2C.5000108@princeton.edu> <49256EC7.9090009@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <00bd01c94b49$412b91c0$6401a8c0@SonyVaio>

Dear Joe Taylor,

Why should we adress our oppinions as an individual to the ARRL, where we
are discussing these issues since 2002 on our EME conferences.

I believe we, as the EME community, should make our rules concerning
contesting and address them to the ARRL, not the other way around .


Best 73's Eddy ON7UN
www.on7un.net

 
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net
[mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] Namens Joe Taylor
Verzonden: donderdag 20 november 2008 15:06
Aan: MOON_NET; moon at moonbounce.info
Onderwerp: [Moon-net] ARRL Contest rules

A brief reminder to anyone with opinions about the ARRL EME 
Contest rules:

Posting your views on this reflector lets us know how you 
feel, but it does not usefully convey those views to the ARRL.

If you feel strongly that the rules should be improved, be 
sure to send your recommendations to the Contest Branch 
Manager, Sean Kutzko, kx9x at arrl.org .

I will append my personal list of topics you might wish to 
address.  You may have other ideas, as well.

	-- 73, Joe, K1JT

Rules for the ARRL EME Contest: Topics for Discussion
------------------------------------------------------------

1. How best to divide activities on different bands among 2 
or 3 contest weekends?

2. Should CW and Digital activities take place on the same 
or different weekends?

3. Should there be any Assisted categories?  In other words, 
should any real-time liaison, solicitation, self-spotting, 
or arrangement of QSOs by non-EME means be permitted during 
the contest?

4. Should there be separate Analog, Digital, and Mixed-Mode 
entry categories?

5. Are the present "band categories" too many, or poorly 
chosen?  We now have:
    Single Band (50 144 432 1296 2.3 3.4 5.7 10 ...)
    Multi-Band (50-1296)
    Multi-Band (2.3G and up)
    Multi-Band (All Band)

6. What is the optimum format for presentation of results in 
QST and on the ARRL web site?

_______________________________________________
Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at
http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html




From sp7dcs at wp.pl  Thu Nov 20 22:43:46 2008
From: sp7dcs at wp.pl (Chris SP7DCS)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:43:46 +0100
Subject: [Moon] SM5LE are now QRT EME
In-Reply-To: <27E1F61DB4A24F2BA3A3610BC83A916A@sven8aee87826d>
References: <27E1F61DB4A24F2BA3A3610BC83A916A@sven8aee87826d>
Message-ID: <4925DA12.9040406@wp.pl>

Hello Sven,

I fully respect your decision and wish you all the best in new hobby!
But honestly I can not say that I am not sad... During long time your 
experiments and enhusiasm motivated me to become qrv on 23cm and to 
improve my stattion.
When I become qrv you were one of my first qsos. You are the smallest 
station I was able to work and I doubt I will ever work smaller.
I do hope that one day you will show us again how make a lot of eme qsos 
with small antenna.
Take care:)

VY 73 ! de Chris SP7DCS

SM5LE pisze:
> Hi all
> I just want to announce that me ; SM5LE are now QRT EME and 50 MHz etc.
> It is my normal ?hobby ration?; Swedish folk music and amateur radio 
> in ~10 years periods.
> A lot of stuff are going to be sold out , but for pick up in Stockholm 
> only.
> For Sweden; pse look at http://www.dx-radio.se/ under ?Elelktroniktorget?.
> "Continuously upgrading". Small packages can be sent by post if the 
> postage paid by the recipient
> Pse don?t be sad (I am) all you EME people are so very much kind in 
> all ways ?
>
> 73 CU next time.
> Sven SM5LE
> ps to Chris SM0IOT : Krille , ska Du k?pa parran med 
> stativ/rotor/matare/LNA/mm ? :-)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From f2tu.philippe at orange.fr  Thu Nov 20 23:18:10 2008
From: f2tu.philippe at orange.fr (F2TU Philippe)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:18:10 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL Contest results
In-Reply-To: <49241A2C.5000108@princeton.edu>
References: <49241A2C.5000108@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <4925E222.8030807@orange.fr>

Hello,
I concentrated on the 2304 MHz & Up. Participated in the 1296 MHz part 
for fun.
All CW, no JT.
Results:
432: 10 x 7  (Initial 1 total  258)
1296: 97 x 37 (Initials 20!! total 312). Heard N9IJM. Copied OK1DST "M" 
calling me, but 5 min before end of the contest....very weak signal.

2.3G: 33 x 22 (Initials 4 tot. 76)
5.7G: 8 x 7 (Initials  2 tot. 28)
10G: 12 x 10 (Initials 1 tot. 49)

Total 2.3G & Up: 53 x 39

73

Philippe PIERRAT - F2TU
http://F2TU.perso.orange.fr



Joe Taylor a ?crit :
>
> The K1JT and K2UYH stations again joined forces to make a Multi-Op, 
> All Band, Mixed-Mode entry for the ARRL EME contest using the callsign 
> K1JT.  Operators K1JT and K2UYH were joined by K2TXB, K2LNS, K1DS, 
> K2BMI, and W2KV.  We had a great time working together on the 144, 
> 432, 1296, 2.3G, and 10G bands.  No internet, no chats, no real-time 
> liaisons of any sort.  We operated in random, unassisted mode.
>
> Our band-by-band totals are as follows:
>
> Band  (CW + JT65) = TotalQSOs x Mults
> -------------------------------------
> 144:  (10 + 175)  = 185 x 65
> 432:  (35 + 10)   = 45  x 31
> 1296: (82 + 13)   = 95  x 37
> 2.3G: (24 + 0)    = 24  x 20
> 10G:  (8  + 0)    = 8   x 7
> -------------------------------------
> Total (159 + 198) = 357 x 160
>
> In September and October our antennas look through thick foliage at 
> moon elevations <25 deg.  By November many leaves are off the trees, 
> so our useful windows are somewhat longer.  This year the weather was 
> bad in central New Jersey during the November weekend, producing heavy 
> rain static on 2m for parts of each moon pass.  As for many of us, 
> birdies and other man-made QRM/QRN continue to get worse every year, 
> especially on 144 and 432 MHz.
>
> In general we thought activity levels were excellent, with the 
> following exceptions: 144 CW activity was poor, and 432 activity was 
> well below that of the 1990s.  On the plus side, activity on 1296 is 
> substantially up.  CW dominated on both 432 and 1296, but there was 
> more JT65 activity on these bands than in the past.  JT65 was dominant 
> on 144 MHz.
>
> We worked nearly everyone we could copy ... but of course there were 
> some calls that got away.  Most of these appeared to be stations 
> operating in Assisted mode, who did not listen for tail-enders and 
> seldom or never called CQ. Almost without exception, whenever such a 
> station (someone we had been keeping an eye on) finally called CQ, we 
> worked him quickly.
>
>
> Here's an interesting breakdown of our QSOs by band and continent:
>
> Band    EU   NA   AS   SA   OC   AF  Total
> ------------------------------------------
> 144    117   46   18    2    1    1    185
> 432     27   15    2    0    1    0     45
> 1296    57   25    9    1    3    0     95
> 2.3G    16    8    0    0    0    0     24
> 10G      6    2    0    0    0    0      8
> ------------------------------------------
> Total  223   96   29    3    5    1    357
>
>
> Our equipment:
>
> Band  Power  Antenna      Receiver(s)
> -------------------------------------------------
> 144   1100   4 x 14 xpol  WSE + Linrad + MAP65
> 432   1000   8 m dish     TS-2000, FT-847, SDR-IQ
> 1296  500    8 m dish     TS-2000, FT-847, SDR-IQ
> 2.3G  80     8 m dish     TS-2000, FT-847
> 10G   100    8 m dish     TS-2000, FT-847
>
> Many thanks to all for the contest QSOs -- and for three weekends of 
> thoroughly enjoyable EME activities!
>
> -- 73 de Joe/K1JT, Al/K2UYH, Russ/K2TXB, Herb/K2LNS,
>            Rick/K1DS, Jack/K2BMI, Dave/W2KV
>
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From sp7dcs at wp.pl  Thu Nov 20 23:54:42 2008
From: sp7dcs at wp.pl (Chris SP7DCS)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:54:42 +0100
Subject: [Moon] result 2m & 70cm & 23cm CW
Message-ID: <4925EAB2.8000201@wp.pl>

Hello,

After first weekend on 2m and 23cm I managed to qrv 70cm band for the 
second contest weekend. As usual I was qrv on CW random unassisted.
I started weekend on 70cm and my new SSPA prooved to worked well and I 
was happy with performance of my station. After some time I switched to 
2m and I realized that there was NOT even single signal on the band. As 
my cq's with 25-30dB echo was not productive I decided to spend most of 
first night on 70cm. During second night I concetrated on 23cm and again 
I was extremely pleased to hear a lot of stations, pileups etc. My own 
echo was present most of time on 23cm with a signal of about 12dB on 
Winrad screen. During third moon pass I had to park my 2m array as WX 
was getting very bad.

So during second weekend I added:

144MHz    -    6qso (+1dup)    -    16x8elYagi/GS35b
RA6DA K0KP#315 JH0MHE VK2KU OK1VVP(dupe) RU1AA AD4TJ#316

432MHz    -    11 qso    -    4x25elYagi/400W SSPA
OH2PO G3LTF DL7APV PI9CAM# I1NDP HB9Q UA3PTW K0RZ#16 DL9KR OZ4MM KL6M

1296MHz    -    13qso    -    3m dish/200W SSPA-4xBLV958
OZ4MM OK1DFC IW2FZR# UT5JCW# HB9SV F5FEN# IQ4DF# W5LUA WA6PY I5MPK# K5JL 
LX1DB#59 OE5JFL

My final score is:
144Mhz    -    34qso   (last year 55qso with the same equipment!!!)
432Mhz    -    11qso   (last year 7qso with 250W)
1296Mhz  -    46qso   (last year 29qso with 150W)
Total:   91qso (just the same as year before)

Even with a great score on 70cm and 23cm I was not able to improve my 
last year score due to extremely low activity on 2m band. It seems that 
soon 2m band will be just the same as 6m when nobody remembers about CW 
mode.
Within few qsos on 2m there were hihglights: K0KP with handy pointed 
single yagi (good signal) and VK2KU first time VK multiplier on 2m in 
contest for me.
I had good time during the contest and I hope to improve my 70cm and 
23cm station before next year. Especially I am amazed with 46qsos on 
23cm with relatively small station:)
I do hope that next year ARRL will make a fair competition with separate 
weekends for CW and JT modes and without ASSISTED INTERNET class.

VY 73 ! de Chris SP7DCS

-- 
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From guenter.koellner at nsn.com  Fri Nov 21 06:57:35 2008
From: guenter.koellner at nsn.com (Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich))
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:57:35 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL Contest rules
In-Reply-To: <49256EC7.9090009@princeton.edu>
References: <49241A2C.5000108@princeton.edu> <49256EC7.9090009@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01381B49@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>

Hello,

would someone of the native english speakers please suggest an comment for the rules as we have decided in Florence?

As a non-nativ english speakers, even worse, I am german, I do not feel able to put in a comment into the ARRL from what I feel it becomes respected.

Sounds crazy, but is...

Arn't you people there in USA in such situations send pre-printed letters to your senators? I remember that in the QST I have seen such calls, didn't I?

73, G?nter (dl4mea)



From sm4ive at telia.com  Fri Nov 21 07:17:20 2008
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:17:20 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL Contest rules
References: <49241A2C.5000108@princeton.edu> <49256EC7.9090009@princeton.edu>
	<B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01381B49@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>
Message-ID: <95206C28C6454DDA9A98E1D90A62B0B0@RADIO>

Gunter et All
Why bother about this matter, It was decided at the Prague conference what 
kind of rules that should be used, ARRL dosent care! So just ignore this 
Contest .
The world outside US doesent exist,

// Lars SM4IVE

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich)" <guenter.koellner at nsn.com>
To: "MOON_NET" <moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net>; <moon at moonbounce.info>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL Contest rules


Hello,

would someone of the native english speakers please suggest an comment for 
the rules as we have decided in Florence?

As a non-nativ english speakers, even worse, I am german, I do not feel able 
to put in a comment into the ARRL from what I feel it becomes respected.

Sounds crazy, but is...

Arn't you people there in USA in such situations send pre-printed letters to 
your senators? I remember that in the QST I have seen such calls, didn't I?

73, G?nter (dl4mea)


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From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Fri Nov 21 08:23:46 2008
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (OK1DFC)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:23:46 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net]  ARRL Contest rules
In-Reply-To: <B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01381B49@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>
Message-ID: <683.1541-10032-1381371232-1227252226@seznam.cz>

I thing that we can send our comments to Joe K1JT and he is kindly offering to collect all and for sure "coifured" our English to usable gramer right letter. Thanks Joe for your offer, I am working on.
Regards Zdenek OK1DFC


------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
Od: Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich) <guenter.koellner at nsn.com>
P?edm?t: Re: [Moon-net] [Moon] ARRL Contest rules
Datum: 21.11.2008 07:00:48
----------------------------------------
Hello,

would someone of the native english speakers please suggest an comment for the
rules as we have decided in Florence?

As a non-nativ english speakers, even worse, I am german, I do not feel able to
put in a comment into the ARRL from what I feel it becomes respected.

Sounds crazy, but is...

Arn't you people there in USA in such situations send pre-printed letters to
your senators? I remember that in the QST I have seen such calls, didn't I?

73, G?nter (dl4mea)


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From dl5mae at yahoo.de  Fri Nov 21 13:45:59 2008
From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:45:59 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Moon] ARRL Contest rules - the same procedure as every year
In-Reply-To: <95206C28C6454DDA9A98E1D90A62B0B0@RADIO>
Message-ID: <603252.22512.qm@web23702.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Lars, 
?
how true! 
?
Every year the same procedure. People were asked about input and opinion for the contest 
rules?but ?everything ignored or the rules getting even worse (or established after the 
contest).
?
Write-ups in QST getting biased, Emails to organizers remain unanswered! 
?
Waste of time! 
?
vy 73 DL5MAE
?
?
?
--- Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com> schrieb am Fr, 21.11.2008:

Von: Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>
Betreff: Re: [Moon] ARRL Contest rules
An: "Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich)" <guenter.koellner at nsn.com>, moon at moonbounce.info.
Datum: Freitag, 21. November 2008, 7:17

Gunter et All
Why bother about this matter, It was decided at the Prague conference what 
kind of rules that should be used, ARRL dosent care! So just ignore this 
Contest .
The world outside US doesent exist,

// Lars SM4IVE

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich)"
<guenter.koellner at nsn.com>
To: "MOON_NET" <moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net>;
<moon at moonbounce.info>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL Contest rules


Hello,

would someone of the native english speakers please suggest an comment for 
the rules as we have decided in Florence?

As a non-nativ english speakers, even worse, I am german, I do not feel able 
to put in a comment into the ARRL from what I feel it becomes respected.

Sounds crazy, but is...

Arn't you people there in USA in such situations send pre-printed letters
to 
your senators? I remember that in the QST I have seen such calls, didn't I?

73, G?nter (dl4mea)


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From joe at Princeton.EDU  Fri Nov 21 15:02:57 2008
From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:02:57 -0500
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net]  ARRL Contest rules
In-Reply-To: <683.1541-10032-1381371232-1227252226@seznam.cz>
References: <683.1541-10032-1381371232-1227252226@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4926BF91.40407@princeton.edu>

Hi Zdenek, G?nter, and all,

It is best to send your recommendations for ARRL EME contest 
rules direct to Sean Kutzko, kx9x at arrl.org , not to me. 
Sean will forward all such messages to the ARRL's VHF/UHF 
Advisory Committee.  Polished English is not essential.

The VUAC has already received a report on the two votes 
taken at the conference in Florence.

	-- 73, Joe, K1JT

OK1DFC wrote:
> I thing that we can send our comments to Joe K1JT and he is kindly offering to collect all and for sure "coifured" our English to usable gramer right letter. Thanks Joe for your offer, I am working on.
> Regards Zdenek OK1DFC
> 
> 
> ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
> Od: Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich) <guenter.koellner at nsn.com>
> P?edm?t: Re: [Moon-net] [Moon] ARRL Contest rules
> Datum: 21.11.2008 07:00:48
> ----------------------------------------
> Hello,
> 
> would someone of the native english speakers please suggest an comment for the
> rules as we have decided in Florence?
> 
> As a non-nativ english speakers, even worse, I am german, I do not feel able to
> put in a comment into the ARRL from what I feel it becomes respected.
> 
> Sounds crazy, but is...
> 
> Arn't you people there in USA in such situations send pre-printed letters to
> your senators? I remember that in the QST I have seen such calls, didn't I?
> 
> 73, G?nter (dl4mea)


From sv3aaf at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 21 15:59:36 2008
From: sv3aaf at yahoo.com (SV3AAF Petros)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:59:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net]  ARRL Contest rules
In-Reply-To: <4926BF91.40407@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <843687.49319.qm@web59103.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

And Don't forget to fill in a long CC list to your emails so they don't get forgotten or lost.
Also include fellow EMEers arrl members.

Doesn't matter if your email is censored, the hit will still count and hurt.
If they like to let it rot, let it be, the perigee and the high moon will still be there.

73, sv3aaf

--- On Fri, 11/21/08, Joe Taylor <joe at Princeton.EDU> wrote:
From: Joe Taylor <joe at Princeton.EDU>
Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net]  ARRL Contest rules
To: "MOON_NET" <moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net>, moon at moonbounce.info
Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 4:02 PM

Hi Zdenek, G?nter, and all,

It is best to send your recommendations for ARRL EME contest 
rules direct to Sean Kutzko, kx9x at arrl.org , not to me. 
Sean will forward all such messages to the ARRL's VHF/UHF 
Advisory Committee.  Polished English is not essential.

The VUAC has already received a report on the two votes 
taken at the conference in Florence.

	-- 73, Joe, K1JT

OK1DFC wrote:
> I thing that we can send our comments to Joe K1JT and he is kindly
offering to collect all and for sure "coifured" our English to usable
gramer right letter. Thanks Joe for your offer, I am working on.
> Regards Zdenek OK1DFC
> 
> 
> ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
> Od: Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich) <guenter.koellner at nsn.com>
> P?edm?t: Re: [Moon-net] [Moon] ARRL Contest rules
> Datum: 21.11.2008 07:00:48
> ----------------------------------------
> Hello,
> 
> would someone of the native english speakers please suggest an comment for
the
> rules as we have decided in Florence?
> 
> As a non-nativ english speakers, even worse, I am german, I do not feel
able to
> put in a comment into the ARRL from what I feel it becomes respected.
> 
> Sounds crazy, but is...
> 
> Arn't you people there in USA in such situations send pre-printed
letters to
> your senators? I remember that in the QST I have seen such calls,
didn't I?
> 
> 73, G?nter (dl4mea)

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From jimmyv at hol.gr  Fri Nov 21 16:53:46 2008
From: jimmyv at hol.gr (jimmyv at hol.gr)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:53:46 +0200
Subject: [Moon] ARRL Contest rules - the same ''SOUP'' every year
Message-ID: <20081121175346.pqsnqysp0k8wwgsc@easymail-app.hol.gr>

Hello Wolfgang & Lars

the same ARRL EME ''Contest SOUP'' is served every year. CW stations  
from all bands, including myself, have been sending their opinion and  
input to ARRL Vice -President / current President W5ZN, new Contest  
Manager KX9X and previous one, VUAC committee member (K1JT), to Moon  
Reflectors etc. etc.
Hundreds of e-mails since 2002. Being naive enough, to believe our  
voice will be eventually heard.
Were we totally ingored? YES!

Even the promising new american (White House) President can not change  
the ''black'' situation:-(
The world outside US doesn't exist since cw stations voice has been  
completely trashed (with K1JT being the EME Mastermind of these rules,  
problems and ''Contest'' deterioration for many years).

Will anything change per cw stations years and years request of  
splitting Contest by mode and eliminating Assisted? NO!
Did Prague EME Conference recommendations / discussions (it was then  
that the problem appeared) ever heard / implemented in the last 6  
years? NO!
Were Logger extracts showing clear violations for 2007 (sent to ARRL &  
K1JT) checked? NO!
Were Logs cross checked for validity between them by ARRL? NO!
Was the request for input respected in 2008 rules? (credible multiband  
legendary cw stations sent in their views) NO!
Were comments received by W7EME who did the write-up of 2007  
suppressed and censored by ARRL, despite Jeremy submitting them? YES!

There is the answer! I hope i am proven wrong for 2009 rules onwards,  
but I am quite sure I won't.

73
Jimmy SV1BTR

----- Original Message -----
From: Wolfgang Schlaffer
To: Lars Pettersson
Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL Contest rules - the same procedure as every year

Lars,

how true!

Every year the same procedure. People were asked about input and  
opinion for the contest
rules but  everything ignored or the rules getting even worse (or  
established after the
contest).

Write-ups in QST getting biased, Emails to organizers remain unanswered!

Waste of time!

vy 73 DL5MAE

--- Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com> schrieb am Fr, 21.11.2008:

Von: Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>
Betreff: Re: [Moon] ARRL Contest rules
An: "Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich)" <guenter.koellner at nsn.com>,  
moon at moonbounce.info.
Datum: Freitag, 21. November 2008, 7:17


Gunter et All
Why bother about this matter, It was decided at the Prague conference what
kind of rules that should be used, ARRL dosent care! So just ignore this
Contest .
The world outside US doesent exist,

// Lars SM4IVE




From on4dpx at skynet.be  Fri Nov 21 20:03:00 2008
From: on4dpx at skynet.be (ON4DPX Kenny)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:03:00 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net]  ARRL Contest rules
References: <683.1541-10032-1381371232-1227252226@seznam.cz>
	<4926BF91.40407@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <027c01c94c0b$c5ea7d00$c102a8c0@orion>

To Joe, K1JT:

I totally don't understand why you are telling people that they need to send
there recommendations to ARRL directly !!! Another wishfull thinking and
happy dreaming ...
I have written a lot of emails directly to ARRL expressing my opinions and
toughts about ARRL contest rules , DXCC achievement etc ...
All of those mails have been written politely and with clear sentences so
that my questions (mails) where easy to understand .

Unfortunately the only reply I received , except the mails telling that they
where out of the office or in the office but a bit "behind" , back is that
ARRL was aware of the situation and that they where working on it ...

The only true answer I got is that they are behind ... behind
following/reading/thinking about opinions , suggestions of others ham
operators .

Is it really that difficult for such an organisation like ARRL to listen to
other peoples opinions ??? Or is it you lobbying for years, and making them 
blind for that ???

So all the efforts sending mails directly is not worth it, because you are 
the
one influencing them !!!

Kenny ON4DPX

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Taylor" <joe at Princeton.EDU>
To: "MOON_NET" <moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net>; <moon at moonbounce.info>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Moon-net] [Moon] ARRL Contest rules


Hi Zdenek, G?nter, and all,

It is best to send your recommendations for ARRL EME contest
rules direct to Sean Kutzko, kx9x at arrl.org , not to me.
Sean will forward all such messages to the ARRL's VHF/UHF
Advisory Committee.  Polished English is not essential.

The VUAC has already received a report on the two votes
taken at the conference in Florence.

-- 73, Joe, K1JT

OK1DFC wrote:
> I thing that we can send our comments to Joe K1JT and he is kindly 
> offering to collect all and for sure "coifured" our English to usable 
> gramer right letter. Thanks Joe for your offer, I am working on.
> Regards Zdenek OK1DFC
>
>
> ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
> Od: Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich) <guenter.koellner at nsn.com>
> P?edm?t: Re: [Moon-net] [Moon] ARRL Contest rules
> Datum: 21.11.2008 07:00:48
> ----------------------------------------
> Hello,
>
> would someone of the native english speakers please suggest an comment for 
> the
> rules as we have decided in Florence?
>
> As a non-nativ english speakers, even worse, I am german, I do not feel 
> able to
> put in a comment into the ARRL from what I feel it becomes respected.
>
> Sounds crazy, but is...
>
> Arn't you people there in USA in such situations send pre-printed letters 
> to
> your senators? I remember that in the QST I have seen such calls, didn't 
> I?
>
> 73, G?nter (dl4mea)

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From sm4ive at telia.com  Fri Nov 21 20:30:07 2008
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:30:07 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net]  ARRL Contest rules
References: <683.1541-10032-1381371232-1227252226@seznam.cz><4926BF91.40407@princeton.edu>
	<027c01c94c0b$c5ea7d00$c102a8c0@orion>
Message-ID: <A35679F54B63436E9F0DF51D3BA86256@RADIO>

Kenny /et All
Why should we even care about ARRL?
As Jimmy said before or some one else did , the moon will be there and we 
can work anyhow we dont need K1JT or ARRL, There are so many other contests 
that could be activated.
i stopped participating in the ARRL contest after the 1996 flopp.
i won the single category for 9 years in a row on 432.
The year 1996 was the first year that it was possible to send in logs via 
internet. And of course they lost my log.
I sent many mail asking what happend, but they din`t bother to respond. At 
that time i was also a member of ARRL, So i decided to leave ARRL and told 
them i will never participate again. This is still the situation.
Now with the K1JT /ARRL rules i dont even think about it. it`s riddicules.

Thanks for the bandwith
73 de Lars SM4IVE
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ON4DPX Kenny" <on4dpx at skynet.be>
To: <moon at moonbounce.info>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] ARRL Contest rules


To Joe, K1JT:

I totally don't understand why you are telling people that they need to send
there recommendations to ARRL directly !!! Another wishfull thinking and
happy dreaming ...
I have written a lot of emails directly to ARRL expressing my opinions and
toughts about ARRL contest rules , DXCC achievement etc ...
All of those mails have been written politely and with clear sentences so
that my questions (mails) where easy to understand .

Unfortunately the only reply I received , except the mails telling that they
where out of the office or in the office but a bit "behind" , back is that
ARRL was aware of the situation and that they where working on it ...

The only true answer I got is that they are behind ... behind
following/reading/thinking about opinions , suggestions of others ham
operators .

Is it really that difficult for such an organisation like ARRL to listen to
other peoples opinions ??? Or is it you lobbying for years, and making them
blind for that ???

So all the efforts sending mails directly is not worth it, because you are
the
one influencing them !!!

Kenny ON4DPX

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Taylor" <joe at Princeton.EDU>
To: "MOON_NET" <moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net>; <moon at moonbounce.info>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Moon-net] [Moon] ARRL Contest rules


Hi Zdenek, G?nter, and all,

It is best to send your recommendations for ARRL EME contest
rules direct to Sean Kutzko, kx9x at arrl.org , not to me.
Sean will forward all such messages to the ARRL's VHF/UHF
Advisory Committee.  Polished English is not essential.

The VUAC has already received a report on the two votes
taken at the conference in Florence.

-- 73, Joe, K1JT

OK1DFC wrote:
> I thing that we can send our comments to Joe K1JT and he is kindly
> offering to collect all and for sure "coifured" our English to usable
> gramer right letter. Thanks Joe for your offer, I am working on.
> Regards Zdenek OK1DFC
>
>
> ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
> Od: Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich) <guenter.koellner at nsn.com>
> P?edm?t: Re: [Moon-net] [Moon] ARRL Contest rules
> Datum: 21.11.2008 07:00:48
> ----------------------------------------
> Hello,
>
> would someone of the native english speakers please suggest an comment for
> the
> rules as we have decided in Florence?
>
> As a non-nativ english speakers, even worse, I am german, I do not feel
> able to
> put in a comment into the ARRL from what I feel it becomes respected.
>
> Sounds crazy, but is...
>
> Arn't you people there in USA in such situations send pre-printed letters
> to
> your senators? I remember that in the QST I have seen such calls, didn't
> I?
>
> 73, G?nter (dl4mea)

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From k2dh at frontiernet.net  Fri Nov 21 20:52:56 2008
From: k2dh at frontiernet.net (Dave Hallidy)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:52:56 -0500
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net]  ARRL Contest rules
In-Reply-To: <A35679F54B63436E9F0DF51D3BA86256@RADIO>
References: <683.1541-10032-1381371232-1227252226@seznam.cz><4926BF91.40407@princeton.edu><027c01c94c0b$c5ea7d00$c102a8c0@orion>
	<A35679F54B63436E9F0DF51D3BA86256@RADIO>
Message-ID: <5AD761A5A1774744B54597A0122BDC3F@DAVE>

You know, I wasn't going to get into this discussion, but I feel I have to
say something.
In a way, I agree with Lars- why should ANY of you care?  The contest is
sponsored by the AMERICAN Radio Relay League.  It is our contest.  If YOU
don't like the rules, don't participate!  It's really quite simple!  If WE
didn't like the rules for an EU contest, WE wouldn't participate.  But don't
bash the rulemakers or the rules if you haven't made a good faith effort to
affect a change (some of you have, but I bet most of you haven't)- if you
don't like them, just don't participate.

The funny thing is, with all the complaining going on, this year's ARRL EME
Competition was better participated (at least on 23cm) by Europeans than ANY
OTHER YEAR since I've been doing EME (20+ years).  And, in fact, there were
less USA stations on than any year since I've been doing EME.  So what does
that really tell you?  I'm not sure, but I'm thinking maybe the EU stations
decided that, even though they won't turn in their logs (which is fine by
us, it won't affect our scores one bit), most of them felt that getting on
and making contacts and HAVING FUN, was more important than the rules
they're complaining about.

Mind you, I don't support the rules the way they are, either.  But I'll be
damned if I'll stay off the air (as some insisted they would do) because of
some stupid contest rules.  I think you all are taking this too seriously-
it's a hobby, not life or death.
My two cents (or whatever your favorite currency is).

I have my Nomex fire suit on, flame away!
73
Dave K2DH

-----Original Message-----
From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On
Behalf Of Lars Pettersson
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 2:30 PM
To: ON4DPX Kenny; moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] ARRL Contest rules

Kenny /et All
Why should we even care about ARRL?
As Jimmy said before or some one else did , the moon will be there and we
can work anyhow we dont need K1JT or ARRL, There are so many other contests
that could be activated.
i stopped participating in the ARRL contest after the 1996 flopp.
i won the single category for 9 years in a row on 432.
The year 1996 was the first year that it was possible to send in logs via
internet. And of course they lost my log.
I sent many mail asking what happend, but they din`t bother to respond. At
that time i was also a member of ARRL, So i decided to leave ARRL and told
them i will never participate again. This is still the situation.
Now with the K1JT /ARRL rules i dont even think about it. it`s riddicules.

Thanks for the bandwith
73 de Lars SM4IVE




From guenter.koellner at nsn.com  Fri Nov 21 21:03:11 2008
From: guenter.koellner at nsn.com (Koellner, Guenter (NSN - DE/Munich))
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:03:11 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] Modifications for Cushcraft 3219 2 meter yagi
In-Reply-To: <220127.54663.qm@web35002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <220127.54663.qm@web35002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B846208195B11F4EA16E16BE9DC8A9CC01381E31@DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net>

Hello Steve,

the only modification the I think is really sensful is: remove all elements and make an element pattern of a modern design. Or in other words: Reuse just the boom.

I do not know which design for 70cm is currently the best, once it was the DJ9BV-OPT70, but today there might be differnent ones. I would be interested by myself which one is recommendable.

73, G?nter (dl4mea)
 

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Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:50 PM
To: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net
Subject: [Moon-net] Modifications for Cushcraft 3219 2 meter yagi

Does anyone know where I can find the mods for the Cushcraft 3219 antenna?
73
Steve N4PZ


      
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From ejespers at telenet.be  Fri Nov 21 21:25:00 2008
From: ejespers at telenet.be (Eddy Jespers)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:25:00 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net]  ARRL Contest rules
In-Reply-To: <5AD761A5A1774744B54597A0122BDC3F@DAVE>
References: <683.1541-10032-1381371232-1227252226@seznam.cz><4926BF91.40407@princeton.edu><027c01c94c0b$c5ea7d00$c102a8c0@orion><A35679F54B63436E9F0DF51D3BA86256@RADIO>
	<5AD761A5A1774744B54597A0122BDC3F@DAVE>
Message-ID: <000901c94c17$3a93e6e0$6401a8c0@SonyVaio>

Dave, 

This is exactly the point, you say " It is our contest.  If YOU
don't like the rules, don't participate! " . Well, most of the american ARRL
members did not participate. Only 27 stations out of 138 participants on
1296 had US callsigns. ( see Carsten, DL6LAU report ) 

So maybe we better don't participate anymore. Today we just refuse to send
the log, but keep the activity going ...

Best 73's Eddy ON7UN
www.ON7UN.net


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]
Namens Dave Hallidy
Verzonden: vrijdag 21 november 2008 20:53
Aan: moon at moonbounce.info
Onderwerp: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] ARRL Contest rules

You know, I wasn't going to get into this discussion, but I feel I have to
say something.
In a way, I agree with Lars- why should ANY of you care?  The contest is
sponsored by the AMERICAN Radio Relay League.  It is our contest.  If YOU
don't like the rules, don't participate!  It's really quite simple!  If WE
didn't like the rules for an EU contest, WE wouldn't participate.  But don't
bash the rulemakers or the rules if you haven't made a good faith effort to
affect a change (some of you have, but I bet most of you haven't)- if you
don't like them, just don't participate.

The funny thing is, with all the complaining going on, this year's ARRL EME
Competition was better participated (at least on 23cm) by Europeans than ANY
OTHER YEAR since I've been doing EME (20+ years).  And, in fact, there were
less USA stations on than any year since I've been doing EME.  So what does
that really tell you?  I'm not sure, but I'm thinking maybe the EU stations
decided that, even though they won't turn in their logs (which is fine by
us, it won't affect our scores one bit), most of them felt that getting on
and making contacts and HAVING FUN, was more important than the rules
they're complaining about.

Mind you, I don't support the rules the way they are, either.  But I'll be
damned if I'll stay off the air (as some insisted they would do) because of
some stupid contest rules.  I think you all are taking this too seriously-
it's a hobby, not life or death.
My two cents (or whatever your favorite currency is).

I have my Nomex fire suit on, flame away!
73
Dave K2DH

-----Original Message-----
From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On
Behalf Of Lars Pettersson
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 2:30 PM
To: ON4DPX Kenny; moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] ARRL Contest rules

Kenny /et All
Why should we even care about ARRL?
As Jimmy said before or some one else did , the moon will be there and we
can work anyhow we dont need K1JT or ARRL, There are so many other contests
that could be activated.
i stopped participating in the ARRL contest after the 1996 flopp.
i won the single category for 9 years in a row on 432.
The year 1996 was the first year that it was possible to send in logs via
internet. And of course they lost my log.
I sent many mail asking what happend, but they din`t bother to respond. At
that time i was also a member of ARRL, So i decided to leave ARRL and told
them i will never participate again. This is still the situation.
Now with the K1JT /ARRL rules i dont even think about it. it`s riddicules.

Thanks for the bandwith
73 de Lars SM4IVE



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From joe at Princeton.EDU  Fri Nov 21 21:25:58 2008
From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:25:58 -0500
Subject: [Moon] Please!
Message-ID: <49271956.3070809@princeton.edu>

Wolfgang, Petros, Jimmy, Kenny, Lars, ...

You are seriously hurting your cause (and mine) by endlessly 
repeating things that are not true.

I did not write the EME contest rules rules.  I argued 
against having an Assisted class.  I lost.  Everybody who 
knows what has happened knows this is true.

The VUAC is now paying attention.  The ARRL Contest Branch 
Manager is paying attention.  I am optimistic that positive 
changes can be made.  Please don't screw it up.

You claim that comments sent to W7EME were "suppressed and 
censored".  You are wrong.  Go to

http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2007/EME/soapboxComments.html

and see for yourself.

Displaying your temper on public reflectors is no substitute 
for providing reasoned arguments to contest organizers and a 
group of volunteers charged with making policy 
recommendations.

Your views are being listened to ... but shouting is very 
hard to calibrate and very difficult to be sympathetic with.

	-- 73, Joe, K1JT


From dfaessler at bluewin.ch  Fri Nov 21 21:29:02 2008
From: dfaessler at bluewin.ch (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dominique_F=E4ssler_=28HB9BBD=29?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:29:02 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net]  ARRL Contest rules
In-Reply-To: <5AD761A5A1774744B54597A0122BDC3F@DAVE>
Message-ID: <48C8D4A501A087D9@tr14.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)

Activity is not there because of ARRL. It is increasing and we like that.
.. this smells of sub-prime, as some other stuff over the pond..
73 HB9BBD

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] Im
Auftrag von Dave Hallidy
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2008 20:53
An: moon at moonbounce.info
Betreff: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] ARRL Contest rules

You know, I wasn't going to get into this discussion, but I feel I have to
say something.
In a way, I agree with Lars- why should ANY of you care?  The contest is
sponsored by the AMERICAN Radio Relay League.  It is our contest.  If YOU
don't like the rules, don't participate!  It's really quite simple!  If WE
didn't like the rules for an EU contest, WE wouldn't participate.  But don't
bash the rulemakers or the rules if you haven't made a good faith effort to
affect a change (some of you have, but I bet most of you haven't)- if you
don't like them, just don't participate.

The funny thing is, with all the complaining going on, this year's ARRL EME
Competition was better participated (at least on 23cm) by Europeans than ANY
OTHER YEAR since I've been doing EME (20+ years).  And, in fact, there were
less USA stations on than any year since I've been doing EME.  So what does
that really tell you?  I'm not sure, but I'm thinking maybe the EU stations
decided that, even though they won't turn in their logs (which is fine by
us, it won't affect our scores one bit), most of them felt that getting on
and making contacts and HAVING FUN, was more important than the rules
they're complaining about.

Mind you, I don't support the rules the way they are, either.  But I'll be
damned if I'll stay off the air (as some insisted they would do) because of
some stupid contest rules.  I think you all are taking this too seriously-
it's a hobby, not life or death.
My two cents (or whatever your favorite currency is).

I have my Nomex fire suit on, flame away!
73
Dave K2DH

-----Original Message-----
From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On
Behalf Of Lars Pettersson
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 2:30 PM
To: ON4DPX Kenny; moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] ARRL Contest rules

Kenny /et All
Why should we even care about ARRL?
As Jimmy said before or some one else did , the moon will be there and we
can work anyhow we dont need K1JT or ARRL, There are so many other contests
that could be activated.
i stopped participating in the ARRL contest after the 1996 flopp.
i won the single category for 9 years in a row on 432.
The year 1996 was the first year that it was possible to send in logs via
internet. And of course they lost my log.
I sent many mail asking what happend, but they din`t bother to respond. At
that time i was also a member of ARRL, So i decided to leave ARRL and told
them i will never participate again. This is still the situation.
Now with the K1JT /ARRL rules i dont even think about it. it`s riddicules.

Thanks for the bandwith
73 de Lars SM4IVE



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From conrad at g0ruz.com  Fri Nov 21 22:32:50 2008
From: conrad at g0ruz.com (Conrad_G0RUZ)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:32:50 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Please!
In-Reply-To: <49271956.3070809@princeton.edu>
References: <49271956.3070809@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <49272902.5000708@g0ruz.com>


> Displaying your temper on public reflectors is no substitute 
> for providing reasoned arguments to contest organizers and a 
> group of volunteers charged with making policy 
> recommendations.
>
> Your views are being listened to ... but shouting is very 
> hard to calibrate and very difficult to be sympathetic with.
>
> 	-- 73, Joe, K1JT
>
>   
Yes but Joe you can see why people feel the way that they do, after wide 
'consultation' the ARRL did absolutely nothing. There is bloody 
mindedness going on with the ARRL  policy makers. They are being 
typically political, there is a large mass (of amateurs) with momentum 
that do not want the contest to be made more difficult (i.e. fair). Like 
all good politicians the ARRL will choose the path of least resistance 
or the the path that they perceive to be more popular. After all they 
are there to serve the membership, not to serve a bunch of marginalised 
foreigners.

I am not involved in EME at the moment and there is little motivation. I 
await bemusedly the outcome of the latest bout of ARRL 'listening'.

73

Conrad G0RUZ


From jimmyv at hol.gr  Fri Nov 21 23:23:03 2008
From: jimmyv at hol.gr (jimmyv at hol.gr)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:23:03 +0200
Subject: [Moon] Please!
Message-ID: <20081122002303.alqvrijh1c0oc8sc@easymail-app.hol.gr>

To K1JT:

In your language, shouting means being able to tell the truth in public? In
this reflector we can, it is not censored as Moon-net.

You seem to have not read the points raised in my public mail carefully.
This dates back to 2002 (Prague EME Conference - today). All ARRL EME
''Contests'' since 2004. You know what means 6 years of empty promises,
noone listening, and all worsening for RADIO and to the detriment of  
cw (especially on 2m)? Does history justify accumulation of bad  
feelings (cw ops) and any sense of responsibility for someone / some  
in (now) and out - but close (before) to ARRL?

Why don't you enlighten us who was (were) those that:
a. never took into account until as we speak, the views of the cw community
of strict separation since 2002.
b. let ARRL abode with those who introduced in the logs ''Assisted'' without
such a class existing, some years ago. Those that broke the rules back then,
never were disqualified. You know well what I mean.
c. influenced ARRL (W5ZN et al) to mix jt44/65 with cw in the same contest
d. influenced ARRL to have some many entry classes
e. did not check logs and did not bother (even though he had them) to ask
ARRL Contest Manager as a responsible VUAC committee member, to check logger
extracts for 2007 Contest?

Would you like me to answer? I am afraid you will not answer directly  
any of the above.

Pls tell me, is the following statement true or not?
On reaching the summit of Everest, Sherpa Tensing's first words were: "How
about a game of backgammon?"

As a VUAC Committee member, could you tell us WHY VUAC and Contest Branch
was NOT paying any attention for 6 years and now they suddenly do?
If you continue trying to convince us that you / they ''care'', it would
confirm that '' A logical statement is true, if and only if, it is
palindromic''.

Having said this and until I am proven wrong for what the future brings per
your words, when I personally see ARRL EME ''Contest'' rules change to the
direction that cw eme community has also been asking for years, i will  
be the 1st to go public and support the Contest.
Until then, in this reflector at least, anyone is entitled to freedom of
speech, according to his past own knowledge and participant experience.

73
Jimmy SV1BTR

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Taylor" <joe at Princeton.EDU>
To: <moon at moonbounce.info>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 10:25 PM
Subject: [Moon] Please!


> Wolfgang, Petros, Jimmy, Kenny, Lars, ...
>
> You are seriously hurting your cause (and mine) by endlessly
> repeating things that are not true.
>
> I did not write the EME contest rules rules.  I argued
> against having an Assisted class.  I lost.  Everybody who
> knows what has happened knows this is true.
>
> The VUAC is now paying attention.  The ARRL Contest Branch
> Manager is paying attention.  I am optimistic that positive
> changes can be made.  Please don't screw it up.
>
> You claim that comments sent to W7EME were "suppressed and
> censored".  You are wrong.  Go to
>
> http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2007/EME/soapboxComments.html
>
> and see for yourself.
>
> Displaying your temper on public reflectors is no substitute
> for providing reasoned arguments to contest organizers and a
> group of volunteers charged with making policy
> recommendations.
>
> Your views are being listened to ... but shouting is very
> hard to calibrate and very difficult to be sympathetic with.
>
> -- 73, Joe, K1JT




From jimmyv at hol.gr  Fri Nov 21 23:32:34 2008
From: jimmyv at hol.gr (jimmyv at hol.gr)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:32:34 +0200
Subject: [Moon] Please
Message-ID: <20081122003234.bf56sprpqo8444ss@easymail-app.hol.gr>

To K1JT:

In your language, shouting means being able to tell the truth in public? In
this reflector we can, it is not censored as Moon-net.

You seem to have not read the points raised in my public mail carefully.
This dates back to 2002 (Prague EME Conference - today). All ARRL EME
''Contests'' since 2004. You know what means 6 years of empty promises,
noone listening, and all worsening for RADIO and to the detriment of  
cw (especially on 2m)?
Does history justify accumulation of bad feelings (cw ops) and any sense of
responsibility for someone / some in (now) and out - but close  
(before) to ARRL?

Why don't you enlighten us who was (were) those that:
a. never took into account until as we speak, the views of the cw community
of strict separation and NO co-existence, of jt44/65 and cw, since 2002.
b. let ARRL abide with those who introduced in the logs ''Assisted'' without
such a class existing, some years ago. Those that broke the rules back then,
never were disqualified. You know well what I mean.
c. influenced ARRL (W5ZN et al) to mix jt44/65 with cw in the same contest
d. influenced ARRL to have some many entry classes
e. did not check logs and did not bother (even though he had them) to ask
ARRL Contest Manager as a responsible VUAC committee member, to check logger
extracts for 2007 Contest?

Would you like me to answer? I am afraid you will not answer directly  
any of the above.

Pls tell me, is the following statement true or not?
On reaching the summit of Everest, Sherpa Tensing's first words were: "How
about a game of backgammon?"

As a VUAC Committee member, could you tell us WHY VUAC and Contest Branch
was NOT paying any attention for 6 years and now they suddenly do?
If you continue trying to convince us that you / they ''care'',
it would
confirm that '' A logical statement is true, if and only if, it is
palindromic''.

Having said this and until I am proven wrong for what the future brings per
your words, when I personally see ARRL EME ''Contest'' rules change to the
direction that cw eme community has also been asking for years, i will  
be the 1st to go public and support the Contest.
Until then, in this reflector at least, anyone is entitled to freedom of
speech, according to his past own knowledge and participant experience.

73
Jimmy SV1BTR

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Taylor" <joe at Princeton.EDU>
To: <moon at moonbounce.info>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 10:25 PM
Subject: [Moon] Please!

Wolfgang, Petros, Jimmy, Kenny, Lars, ...

You are seriously hurting your cause (and mine) by endlessly
repeating things that are not true.

I did not write the EME contest rules rules.  I argued
against having an Assisted class.  I lost.  Everybody who
knows what has happened knows this is true.

The VUAC is now paying attention.  The ARRL Contest Branch
Manager is paying attention.  I am optimistic that positive
changes can be made.  Please don't screw it up.

You claim that comments sent to W7EME were "suppressed and
censored".  You are wrong.  Go to

http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2007/EME/soapboxComments.html

and see for yourself.

Displaying your temper on public reflectors is no substitute
for providing reasoned arguments to contest organizers and a
group of volunteers charged with making policy
recommendations.

Your views are being listened to ... but shouting is very
hard to calibrate and very difficult to be sympathetic with.

-- 73, Joe, K1JT



From dl5mae at yahoo.de  Sat Nov 22 00:28:49 2008
From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:28:49 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Moon] Please!
In-Reply-To: <49271956.3070809@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <664838.42069.qm@web23703.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hi! 
?
I expected to read the comments about ARRL EME Contest in : 
?
???????? Q S T??? M A G A Z I N E 
?
Not in some "hidden" internet link which nobody knows/reads.
?
But write-up in QST was biased (I got confirmation by the editor directly 
when I asked him about this topic). 
?
73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang
?


--- Joe Taylor <joe at Princeton.EDU> schrieb am Fr, 21.11.2008:

Von: Joe Taylor <joe at Princeton.EDU>
Betreff: [Moon] Please!
An: moon at moonbounce.info
Datum: Freitag, 21. November 2008, 21:25

Wolfgang, Petros, Jimmy, Kenny, Lars, ...

You are seriously hurting your cause (and mine) by endlessly 
repeating things that are not true.

I did not write the EME contest rules rules.  I argued 
against having an Assisted class.  I lost.  Everybody who 
knows what has happened knows this is true.

The VUAC is now paying attention.  The ARRL Contest Branch 
Manager is paying attention.  I am optimistic that positive 
changes can be made.  Please don't screw it up.

You claim that comments sent to W7EME were "suppressed and 
censored".  You are wrong.  Go to

http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2007/EME/soapboxComments.html

and see for yourself.

Displaying your temper on public reflectors is no substitute 
for providing reasoned arguments to contest organizers and a 
group of volunteers charged with making policy 
recommendations.

Your views are being listened to ... but shouting is very 
hard to calibrate and very difficult to be sympathetic with.

	-- 73, Joe, K1JT

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From joe at Princeton.EDU  Sat Nov 22 02:44:25 2008
From: joe at Princeton.EDU (Joe Taylor)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:44:25 -0500
Subject: [Moon] Please!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1227306772.3752.moon@moonbounce.info>
References: <mailman.21.1227306772.3752.moon@moonbounce.info>
Message-ID: <492763F9.5060505@princeton.edu>

Readers of this reflector are perfectly capable of forming their own 
conclusions about where the truth lies.  I will not engage in unseemly 
public name-calling and finger pointing.

I hope that anyone who cares about our original topic of discussion will 
join in the spirit of civilized discourse and make their opinions known 
to ARRL.  Very few have yet done so.

73 and best wishes to all,

	-- Joe, K1JT


From sm2cew at telia.com  Sat Nov 22 07:44:42 2008
From: sm2cew at telia.com (Peter Sundberg)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:44:42 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Rules, this is how "Assisted" got started..
In-Reply-To: <49271956.3070809@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <20081122064434.4D83F1EDCB@mail.allt1.se>

These were the arguments that lead to the introduction of "Assisted"
category in the ARRL EME contest. But not only "Assisted",  Joe Taylor was
even asking for a different, "chat mode assisted", version during the ARRL
EME Contest.



K1JT on 16 October 2004:

"2. Most ARRL contests have a "single operator assisted" category 
for people who use the DX clusters.  The EME contest could do 
likewise, rightly preserving the purity of unassisted operation 
for the "heavyweight" class.
				-- 73, Joe, K1JT"


And K1JT on 19 October 2004:

"I also applaud W5UN for being willing to take a stand on running openly 
as "assisted" in the EME contest.

I read the essence of W3SZ's message rather differently than you did, 
concerning the difficulty of making random JT65 QSOs.

Roger wrote, in part:

"This [use of Linrad] essentially took JT65b from a mode where random 
contacts without the  logger were difficult to one where they were as 
easy as with CW, and there  was no need for me to use the logger to look 
for weak, barely audible or sub-audible JT65 activity."

It should be noted that what Dave has in mind is (I think) somewhat 
different from the Assisted category in other ARRL contests.  In the HF 
contests, "Assisted" means that you make *passive* use of the DX Cluster 
for spotting.  You are still not supposed to self-spot or solicit QSOs 
during a contest.  We would probably want to establish different rules 
and expectations for the EME contest.

-- 73, Joe, K1JT"



So, this is how K1JT argued forcefully _against_ assisted. We need to
remember that in 2004, "Assisted" was not allowed in the ARRL EME Contest.
So what Joe T was applauding was the blatant violation of the rules. 

I smile..


73 de Peter SM2CEW
www.sm2cew.com
http://blog.sm2cew.com








At 20:25 2008-11-21 , Joe Taylor wrote:
>Wolfgang, Petros, Jimmy, Kenny, Lars, ...
>
>You are seriously hurting your cause (and mine) by endlessly 
>repeating things that are not true.
>
>I did not write the EME contest rules rules.  I argued 
>against having an Assisted class.  I lost.  Everybody who 
>knows what has happened knows this is true.
>
>The VUAC is now paying attention.  The ARRL Contest Branch 
>Manager is paying attention.  I am optimistic that positive 
>changes can be made.  Please don't screw it up.
>
>You claim that comments sent to W7EME were "suppressed and 
>censored".  You are wrong.  Go to
>
>http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2007/EME/soapboxComments.html
>
>and see for yourself.
>
>Displaying your temper on public reflectors is no substitute 
>for providing reasoned arguments to contest organizers and a 
>group of volunteers charged with making policy 
>recommendations.
>
>Your views are being listened to ... but shouting is very 
>hard to calibrate and very difficult to be sympathetic with.
>
>	-- 73, Joe, K1JT
>





From john.peters at iae.nl  Sat Nov 22 08:48:20 2008
From: john.peters at iae.nl (John Peters)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:48:20 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net]  ARRL Contest rules
In-Reply-To: <5AD761A5A1774744B54597A0122BDC3F@DAVE>
Message-ID: <CPSMTP-EML103iwi7Qf00008c9a@cpsmtp-eml103.kpnxchange.com>

Dave and others,

If it is YOUR (ARRL members) contest then please RENAME it from
INTERNATIONAL EME contest to NORTH AMERICAN EME contest. Than it is YOUR
contest. 

73! De John PA5MS

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]
Namens Dave Hallidy
Verzonden: vrijdag 21 november 2008 20:53
Aan: moon at moonbounce.info
Onderwerp: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] ARRL Contest rules

You know, I wasn't going to get into this discussion, but I feel I have to
say something.
In a way, I agree with Lars- why should ANY of you care?  The contest is
sponsored by the AMERICAN Radio Relay League.  It is our contest.  If YOU
don't like the rules, don't participate!  It's really quite simple!  If WE
didn't like the rules for an EU contest, WE wouldn't participate.  But don't
bash the rulemakers or the rules if you haven't made a good faith effort to
affect a change (some of you have, but I bet most of you haven't)- if you
don't like them, just don't participate.

The funny thing is, with all the complaining going on, this year's ARRL EME
Competition was better participated (at least on 23cm) by Europeans than ANY
OTHER YEAR since I've been doing EME (20+ years).  And, in fact, there were
less USA stations on than any year since I've been doing EME.  So what does
that really tell you?  I'm not sure, but I'm thinking maybe the EU stations
decided that, even though they won't turn in their logs (which is fine by
us, it won't affect our scores one bit), most of them felt that getting on
and making contacts and HAVING FUN, was more important than the rules
they're complaining about.

Mind you, I don't support the rules the way they are, either.  But I'll be
damned if I'll stay off the air (as some insisted they would do) because of
some stupid contest rules.  I think you all are taking this too seriously-
it's a hobby, not life or death.
My two cents (or whatever your favorite currency is).

I have my Nomex fire suit on, flame away!
73
Dave K2DH

-----Original Message-----
From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On
Behalf Of Lars Pettersson
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 2:30 PM
To: ON4DPX Kenny; moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] ARRL Contest rules

Kenny /et All
Why should we even care about ARRL?
As Jimmy said before or some one else did , the moon will be there and we
can work anyhow we dont need K1JT or ARRL, There are so many other contests
that could be activated.
i stopped participating in the ARRL contest after the 1996 flopp.
i won the single category for 9 years in a row on 432.
The year 1996 was the first year that it was possible to send in logs via
internet. And of course they lost my log.
I sent many mail asking what happend, but they din`t bother to respond. At
that time i was also a member of ARRL, So i decided to leave ARRL and told
them i will never participate again. This is still the situation.
Now with the K1JT /ARRL rules i dont even think about it. it`s riddicules.

Thanks for the bandwith
73 de Lars SM4IVE



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From conrad at g0ruz.com  Sat Nov 22 10:01:34 2008
From: conrad at g0ruz.com (Conrad_G0RUZ)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:01:34 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Please!
In-Reply-To: <492763F9.5060505@princeton.edu>
References: <mailman.21.1227306772.3752.moon@moonbounce.info>
	<492763F9.5060505@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <4927CA6E.50903@g0ruz.com>

Joe Taylor wrote:
> Readers of this reflector are perfectly capable of forming their own 
> conclusions about where the truth lies.  I will not engage in unseemly 
> public name-calling and finger pointing.
>
> I hope that anyone who cares about our original topic of discussion will 
> join in the spirit of civilized discourse and make their opinions known 
> to ARRL.  Very few have yet done so.
>
> 73 and best wishes to all,
>
> 	-- Joe, K1JT
>
>   
The original topic of discussion has proved to have been nothing but lip 
service. If you align yourself with what is clearly an unpopular 
organisation with respect to this particular contest you cannot expect 
to remain untarnished in everyone's eyes. I have not called anyone any 
names but nor am I swayed by this holier than thou, condescending 
twaddle. You try to appear aloof, yet continue to put your head above 
the parapet. One has to wonder why? It must be for the good of amateur 
radio. Unseemly it may be but I have to conclude that your ego is 
clouding your judgement. Incidentally do you really use that kind of 
dialogue? If you do the we are living across a social void which 
surprises me, more likely you are trying to appear clever and superior. 
That is not particularly endearing either.
I will bow out now but feel much better thank you.

Conrad G0RUZ


From frankddr at tele2.it  Sat Nov 22 11:22:43 2008
From: frankddr at tele2.it (Francesco)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:22:43 +0100
Subject: [Moon] R:  [Moon-net]  ARRL Contest rules
In-Reply-To: <CPSMTP-EML103iwi7Qf00008c9a@cpsmtp-eml103.kpnxchange.com>
Message-ID: <OFENIPNJACCBFENDBCCMEEPNCAAA.frankddr@tele2.it>

.....about Dave's comment........
"The contest is sponsored by the AMERICAN Radio Relay League.  It is our
contest.  If YOU
don't like the rules, don't participate!"

As wrote by some other guy, if we check the presence of US stations on last
eme ARRL 2008 Contest
and we cut the other foreign stations, the activity should be around ZERO
(except on 1296,maybe).
The problem is that we all would like to back, independendly by the mode,
(AM-FM-SSB-JT-CW or whatever)
to the contests, where the only way to make eme contacts is via radio. No
more.
I have proposed, during Florence Conference, to separate dates and AWARDS.
My example is as follow:
My preferred mode is cw and during mix contests as ARRL, i have no doubts to
follow my favourite mode,
but in case of separate dates, i could be active on both of them and so
increasing the activity.
I have been active in the past, during DUBUS or ARI Digital contests, just
with the target to help those
operators that work on that mode, to findout more stations. That's my spirit
and like me, there are others
that believe so.
We all must work togheter to setup a format that maintain the primary focus
of our hobby, that is not to make all easy with telephone or internet helps.
The primary target, should be the fun,with the improvement of our stations,
over our personal
skills.
Thanks for your attention, about my 2 cent mind.

73' Francesco,IK2DDR



-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info
[mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]Per conto di John Peters
Inviato: sabato 22 novembre 2008 8.48
A: 'Dave Hallidy'; moon at moonbounce.info
Oggetto: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] ARRL Contest rules


Dave and others,

If it is YOUR (ARRL members) contest then please RENAME it from
INTERNATIONAL EME contest to NORTH AMERICAN EME contest. Than it is YOUR
contest.

73! De John PA5MS

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]
Namens Dave Hallidy
Verzonden: vrijdag 21 november 2008 20:53
Aan: moon at moonbounce.info
Onderwerp: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] ARRL Contest rules

You know, I wasn't going to get into this discussion, but I feel I have to
say something.
In a way, I agree with Lars- why should ANY of you care?  The contest is
sponsored by the AMERICAN Radio Relay League.  It is our contest.  If YOU
don't like the rules, don't participate!  It's really quite simple!  If WE
didn't like the rules for an EU contest, WE wouldn't participate.  But don't
bash the rulemakers or the rules if you haven't made a good faith effort to
affect a change (some of you have, but I bet most of you haven't)- if you
don't like them, just don't participate.

The funny thing is, with all the complaining going on, this year's ARRL EME
Competition was better participated (at least on 23cm) by Europeans than ANY
OTHER YEAR since I've been doing EME (20+ years).  And, in fact, there were
less USA stations on than any year since I've been doing EME.  So what does
that really tell you?  I'm not sure, but I'm thinking maybe the EU stations
decided that, even though they won't turn in their logs (which is fine by
us, it won't affect our scores one bit), most of them felt that getting on
and making contacts and HAVING FUN, was more important than the rules
they're complaining about.

Mind you, I don't support the rules the way they are, either.  But I'll be
damned if I'll stay off the air (as some insisted they would do) because of
some stupid contest rules.  I think you all are taking this too seriously-
it's a hobby, not life or death.
My two cents (or whatever your favorite currency is).

I have my Nomex fire suit on, flame away!
73
Dave K2DH

-----Original Message-----
From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On
Behalf Of Lars Pettersson
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 2:30 PM
To: ON4DPX Kenny; moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-net] ARRL Contest rules

Kenny /et All
Why should we even care about ARRL?
As Jimmy said before or some one else did , the moon will be there and we
can work anyhow we dont need K1JT or ARRL, There are so many other contests
that could be activated.
i stopped participating in the ARRL contest after the 1996 flopp.
i won the single category for 9 years in a row on 432.
The year 1996 was the first year that it was possible to send in logs via
internet. And of course they lost my log.
I sent many mail asking what happend, but they din`t bother to respond. At
that time i was also a member of ARRL, So i decided to leave ARRL and told
them i will never participate again. This is still the situation.
Now with the K1JT /ARRL rules i dont even think about it. it`s riddicules.

Thanks for the bandwith
73 de Lars SM4IVE



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From f2tu.philippe at orange.fr  Sat Nov 22 14:12:16 2008
From: f2tu.philippe at orange.fr (F2TU Philippe)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:12:16 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL Contest rules
In-Reply-To: <CPSMTP-EML103iwi7Qf00008c9a@cpsmtp-eml103.kpnxchange.com>
References: <CPSMTP-EML103iwi7Qf00008c9a@cpsmtp-eml103.kpnxchange.com>
Message-ID: <49280530.3030109@orange.fr>

Hello All,
I participate in contests EME, since the first: September 1978.
Common sense would like the resolution of contests are set to encourage 
maximum activity on all bands and all modes.
- For bands, the weekend added to 2.3 & Up increased traffic from these 
bands in the ARRL contest.
- For modes, the weekend added to the digital  in the EU contest has 
been increased activity on CW 144 and 432.
to meditate by heads who think!
GL
73

Philippe PIERRAT - F2TU
http://F2TU.perso.orange.fr





From jimmyv at hol.gr  Sat Nov 22 16:31:27 2008
From: jimmyv at hol.gr (jimmyv at hol.gr)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:31:27 +0200
Subject: [Moon] Rules, this is how "Assisted" got started..
In-Reply-To: <20081122064434.4D83F1EDCB@mail.allt1.se>
References: <20081122064434.4D83F1EDCB@mail.allt1.se>
Message-ID: <20081122173127.8089n9keg4ok4sok@easymail-app.hol.gr>

As K1JT, earlier today wrote: ?? Readers of this reflector are  
perfectly capable of forming their own conclusions about where the  
truth lies.??

So a Big Thank you Peter for reminding us of the undeniable facts of  
where ??Joe Taylor truth?? always lies.

73
Jimmy SV1BTR

Quoting Peter Sundberg <sm2cew at telia.com>:

> These were the arguments that lead to the introduction of "Assisted"
> category in the ARRL EME contest. But not only "Assisted",  Joe Taylor was
> even asking for a different, "chat mode assisted", version during the ARRL
> EME Contest.
>
> K1JT on 16 October 2004:
>
> "2. Most ARRL contests have a "single operator assisted" category
> for people who use the DX clusters.  The EME contest could do
> likewise, rightly preserving the purity of unassisted operation
> for the "heavyweight" class.
> 				-- 73, Joe, K1JT"
>
>
> And K1JT on 19 October 2004:
>
> "I also applaud W5UN for being willing to take a stand on running openly
> as "assisted" in the EME contest.
>
> I read the essence of W3SZ's message rather differently than you did,
> concerning the difficulty of making random JT65 QSOs.
>
> Roger wrote, in part:
>
> "This [use of Linrad] essentially took JT65b from a mode where random
> contacts without the  logger were difficult to one where they were as
> easy as with CW, and there  was no need for me to use the logger to look
> for weak, barely audible or sub-audible JT65 activity."
>
> It should be noted that what Dave has in mind is (I think) somewhat
> different from the Assisted category in other ARRL contests.  In the HF
> contests, "Assisted" means that you make *passive* use of the DX Cluster
> for spotting.  You are still not supposed to self-spot or solicit QSOs
> during a contest.  We would probably want to establish different rules
> and expectations for the EME contest.
>
> -- 73, Joe, K1JT"
>
> So, this is how K1JT argued forcefully _against_ assisted. We need to
> remember that in 2004, "Assisted" was not allowed in the ARRL EME Contest.
> So what Joe T was applauding was the blatant violation of the rules.
>
> I smile..
>
> 73 de Peter SM2CEW
> www.sm2cew.com
> http://blog.sm2cew.com
>
> At 20:25 2008-11-21 , Joe Taylor wrote:
>> Wolfgang, Petros, Jimmy, Kenny, Lars, ...
>>
>> You are seriously hurting your cause (and mine) by endlessly
>> repeating things that are not true.
>>
>> I did not write the EME contest rules rules.  I argued
>> against having an Assisted class.  I lost.  Everybody who
>> knows what has happened knows this is true.
>>
>> The VUAC is now paying attention.  The ARRL Contest Branch
>> Manager is paying attention.  I am optimistic that positive
>> changes can be made.  Please don't screw it up.
>>
>> You claim that comments sent to W7EME were "suppressed and
>> censored".  You are wrong.  Go to
>>
>> http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2007/EME/soapboxComments.html
>>
>> and see for yourself.
>>
>> Displaying your temper on public reflectors is no substitute
>> for providing reasoned arguments to contest organizers and a
>> group of volunteers charged with making policy
>> recommendations.
>>
>> Your views are being listened to ... but shouting is very
>> hard to calibrate and very difficult to be sympathetic with.
>>
>> 	-- 73, Joe, K1JT




From dennisw5rz at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 19:23:22 2008
From: dennisw5rz at gmail.com (Dennis Schaefer)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:23:22 -0600
Subject: [Moon] ARRL reporting of contest results
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1227351601.29232.moon@moonbounce.info>
References: <mailman.1.1227351601.29232.moon@moonbounce.info>
Message-ID: <49284e1c.12025a0a.3ad7.ffffa764@mx.google.com>

There is intense competition for space in QST.   As a result, I think 
Field Day is now the only contest of any kind with significant 
coverage in the pages of QST - other contests get a brief summary in 
QST and the rest is on the web, and even most of the Field Day 
Soapbox content is on the web.    Agree or disagree, those are the 
decisions made by the organization, and probably represent the way 
the world is going.    I'm old fashioned, greatly prefer CW, and like 
a hardcopy of contest results, but I know many things are changing 
that I cannot control.

The assisted class probably exists for people like me, but so far I 
haven't sent in an entry anyway.   I agree that "assisted" should 
probably go away.   At least maybe "assisted" could mean "third party 
spotting only" like in most HF contests.   Self spotting and chatroom 
operation seems to be unique to EME contests.    Of course, those not 
actually competing in the contest could still arrange skeds by phone, 
chatroom, e-mail, or any other way they were comfortable with.

For years, I was an SWL in the EME contests.  Last year I made two 
contacts, and made 6 this year.   Many of us are involved in 
licensing classes, helping new hams, local club activities, emergency 
operations, DXCC, etc.   Getting RF to the moon and back is a major 
accomplishment, even on digital modes, exactly because it is a very 
small part of what many of us do.   We just want to make progress and 
use the highly respected big guns as inspiration, and often, 
unselfishly given advice.    I know the difference in their level of 
commitment (and expense!) and mine.   Unassisted CW and digital 
contacts is always the goal.

Before going to bed, I knew I had a weak signal, so I finally 
announced my CQ frequency on the logger and people called me who 
obviously couldn't hear me.   That is definitely not good 
practice!   Now to work on the antenna...

73 to all,
Dennis, W5RZ



From k7xq at elite.net  Sun Nov 23 05:01:39 2008
From: k7xq at elite.net (k7xq at elite.net)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:01:39 -0800
Subject: [Moon] K7XQ Oct/Nov EME Report
Message-ID: <20081122200139.wttfv7qhccwscg4o@secure.elite.net>



   Hello All,
     Spent the last few months reconstructing the new 432 MHz 8 X 7  
W.L. XPOL array. The antennas are modified M2 9 W.L. antennas by  
adding vertical elements. The antennas were shortened abit to 7 W.L.  
to properly balance the array and to allow spacing of the antennas to  
5 feet. The biggest problem on this band is faraday lockout so I  
decided to eliminate this problem by adding vertical polarization. As  
expected, it proved to be a problem solved as I now find in most cases  
signals from EU vertical most of time. Only 4 of the 8 yagis were used  
during the last few months as the construction is almost complete and  
I just need to add the remaining power divider and phasing lines for  
the 4 remaining yagis.

   On 1296, I improved the preamp by replacing the existing device  
with the Agilent ATF 36077. The EME signals and echo of my signal have  
noticeably improved.

   I do not participate in ANY contests ( meaning I do not submit logs  
and havent since 1999 ) but I do continue to get on the moon and make  
contacts and enjoy the increasing activity.

   Here is my activity for Oct and Nov.

   432 CW:  OH2PO, HB9Q
432 JT: HB9Q, DL7APV, KE2N, SM2A#, WA4NJP#, PE1ITR#, EA3BB#, S54T#,  
K1JT#, OE9ERC#

   Murphey hit me hard on 432 during the contest time. First I was  
plaged with problems such as finding acouple of melted center  
conductors inside the jumpers up at the tower which had to be  
troubleshot and replaced in the middle of the night during the contest  
time. The light of the bright moon help me see in the dark! I also was  
plaged with finding groups of birdies or radiated spurs from the  
outside that covered the 432.00 to 432.025 portion of the band which  
covered up many of the stations I was hearing that even the CW and  
notch filters couldnt get rid of. Alot of time was lost on this band  
and because of this,  many stations were missed. I expect CW signals  
to greatly improve when the last 4 yagis of the array are connected.

   1296 CW: LA9NEA, HB9Q, SM4DHN#,OK1CA, PA3CSG#, F2TU, DF3RU, G3LTF,  
K1JT, ES5PC, K1RQG, G4CCH, PI9CAM#, DL0SHF, LX1DB#

   1296 SSB: PI9CAM#

   1296 JT: W7UPF#, K6JEY#, K1JT, G4CCH, RK3WWF#, PY2BS#, VE7BBG#,  
UR5LX# , PA3FXB# , ES6RQ#.

   Due to the heavy QRL schedule, I only operated a total of about 20  
hours to include one missing day out of the total four days of the  
contest time periods.

   I am still finding that once the EU moon window closes, most  
activity ceases. I think this is the time the US stations go to bed  
and maybe resume activity in the morning. I will probably do the same  
next time. This was a observation I found for the last several years  
now.

   I hope to catch some of you on 432 during the month of December. I  
am excited to now finally have a reasonable array on 432 to make  
reliable CW contacts. I always thought of having a 4 yagi station on  
432 was too marginal for making CW contacts but there maybe some of  
you that may argue that statement.

   K7XQ Jeff
Atwater,CA.
Grid: CM97qi

144 MHz: 4 X M2 2MPX20 XPOL 20 dBd 1.5 kw single GS35b
432 MHz: 8 X M2 9 W.L. XPOL 26.3 dBd single GS-35b ( near completion )
1296 MHz: 3 meter dish 27 dBd 350 watts single water cooled GS-15
2304 MHz: 3 meter dish 32 dBd 180 watts SS Spectrain Amplifier
10368 MHz: 3 meter dish 45 dBd 20 Watt Varian TWTA

K7XQ Webpage: http://www.elite.net/~k7xq/k7xq.html


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From dfaessler at bluewin.ch  Sun Nov 23 16:14:55 2008
From: dfaessler at bluewin.ch (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dominique_F=E4ssler_=28HB9BBD=29?=)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:14:55 +0100
Subject: [Moon] EA3XU first EME CW QSO on 23cm
In-Reply-To: <000901c94c17$3a93e6e0$6401a8c0@SonyVaio>
Message-ID: <48C8D4A501A800E0@tr14.bluewin.ch> (added by postmaster@bluewin.ch)

This morning, EA3XU, Benjamin and HB9BBD had CW QSO on 1296mc.
EA3XU is a 4-yagi 50W stn with NF of 0.8dB (SSB LNA with rl) (I measured
these never better than 1.2dB including internal relay).

This is Benjamin's 2nd. CW QSO in 44 years being lis.
The sig were just readable on both sides. 

Congratulation to Benjamin for stepping from -21dB and alike reports to CW!

73 HB9BBD
Dominique



From frankddr at tele2.it  Sun Nov 23 16:56:20 2008
From: frankddr at tele2.it (Francesco)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:56:20 +0100
Subject: [Moon] R: [Moon-net] EA3XU first EME CW QSO on 23cm
In-Reply-To: <48C8D4A501A800E0@tr14.bluewin.ch> (added by
	postmaster@bluewin.ch)
Message-ID: <OFENIPNJACCBFENDBCCMIEAACBAA.frankddr@tele2.it>

Congratulations to both operators for so good qso.
I wish to Benjamin, many others cw qsos.

73' Francesco,IK2DDR

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net
[mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net]Per conto di Dominique
Fassler (HB9BBD)
Inviato: domenica 23 novembre 2008 16.15
A: moon at moonbounce.info; 'MOON_NET'
Oggetto: [Moon-net] EA3XU first EME CW QSO on 23cm


This morning, EA3XU, Benjamin and HB9BBD had CW QSO on 1296mc.
EA3XU is a 4-yagi 50W stn with NF of 0.8dB (SSB LNA with rl) (I measured
these never better than 1.2dB including internal relay).

This is Benjamin's 2nd. CW QSO in 44 years being lis.
The sig were just readable on both sides.

Congratulation to Benjamin for stepping from -21dB and alike reports to CW!

73 HB9BBD
Dominique


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From dan at hb9q.ch  Sun Nov 23 17:02:55 2008
From: dan at hb9q.ch (Daniel Gautschi, HB9CRQ)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:02:55 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net] EA3XU first EME CW QSO on 23cm
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Dear Benjamin and Dominique

Congrats for your CW EME QSO! 

Dominique comments the signal being "just readable" in CW, which is great
for the QRP equipment used. I assume it was random and not on sked with all
details (like both call-signs, frequency, date/time and sequence) known in
advance. 

It is great to see that QRP stations which started activity on JT65 now work
successfully CW! 

Vy 73

Dan, HB9Q



-----Original Message-----
From: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net
[mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] On Behalf Of Dominique
F?ssler (HB9BBD)
Sent: Sonntag, 23. November 2008 16:15
To: moon at moonbounce.info; 'MOON_NET'
Subject: ***SPAM*** [Moon-net] EA3XU first EME CW QSO on 23cm

This morning, EA3XU, Benjamin and HB9BBD had CW QSO on 1296mc.
EA3XU is a 4-yagi 50W stn with NF of 0.8dB (SSB LNA with rl) (I measured
these never better than 1.2dB including internal relay).

This is Benjamin's 2nd. CW QSO in 44 years being lis.
The sig were just readable on both sides. 

Congratulation to Benjamin for stepping from -21dB and alike reports to CW!

73 HB9BBD
Dominique


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From df2zc at gmx.de  Sun Nov 23 22:01:46 2008
From: df2zc at gmx.de (DF2ZC)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:01:46 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Take-Off from Guernsey DXpedition IN89RK
Message-ID: <001101c94dae$b2c6a1a0$eb02a8c0@SHACK>

Hello All,

I just uploaded a short video to my youtube presence showing the take-off
from Frank's and my QTH in Guernseyback in October.

Have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYsbs-wcfcA

vy 73 Bernd DF2ZC (JO30RN)
www.df2zc.de

____________________________________________
144 MHz EME NewsLetter:
www.df2zc.de/newsletter

144 MHz DXCC #21
144 MHz WAC

Kenwood TS 2000
2 x GU74b by LZ2US
4 x 2M18XXX 21 dBd full elevation



From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp  Mon Nov 24 11:05:08 2008
From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:05:08 +0900
Subject: [Moon] 8J1AXA's 2008 ARRL EME Competition results
Message-ID: <029e01c94e1c$217ab330$0200a8c0@yourm9xvc9gwtf>

Special station 8J1AXA took part in the 2008 ARRL EME Competition,
144MHz single band, mixed mode, unassisted, with a commercial antenna,
during the first moon path of the second leg of the contest, Nov. 15 only.

We refrained from operating 70cm this time because the interference test
with JAXA had not been done yet.

34-QSO out of 35-QSO with a dupe, and 17 multipliers (15 DXCC entities
including USA, and 3 states) were made.   From time to time we switched
each mode.  Very poor condx and very low activities from NA did not help
for a fruitful result.  European window was more enjoyable for contesting,
but the CW activities seemed to be very low, too.

Even if we use 18m dish, a vertically-fixed polarization and 300W output
seemed to be marginal power for totally 'unassisted' entry.   We heard and
called more stations without answer.   This result was a bit disappointing.
Thank you for the patience trying to pick up our strainge callsign.
Hope that our antenna worked normally....

70cm was watched for sometime, and our antenna seems to be working
well.
After the contest operation was finished before 24Z, we prepared for the
interference investigation with JAXA satellite control station near-by.
Our full power transmission on 70cm with the harmonic radiations mostly
less than -85dBc did not make any disturbance to the JAXA system.
So we are now allowed to operate 70cm on occasion.

Beside our EME operation, HF and 6m were operated for domestic QSOs.
Over 400-QSO were made on the week-end.

Next operating information will be present in our web-site.  Keep watching!
QSL via JH6RTO for overseas contacts.


Mike JH1KRC
Project KDES 2008





From dl5mae at yahoo.de  Tue Nov 25 18:26:01 2008
From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:26:01 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Moon] KH6FOO sk
Message-ID: <169813.17035.qm@web23703.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hi all, 

Sorry to hear Russ (KH6FOO) passed away. Worked him several times in the 90s 
off the moon. I think he was one of those who also made spectacular contacts 
from Hawaii to California on tropo. 

Russ, rest in peace! 

73 DL5MAE Wolfgang



      
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From sm2ekm at telia.com  Tue Nov 25 20:02:03 2008
From: sm2ekm at telia.com (Jan Erik Holm)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:02:03 +0100
Subject: [Moon] KH6FOO sk
In-Reply-To: <169813.17035.qm@web23703.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <169813.17035.qm@web23703.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <492C4BAB.4030703@telia.com>

Ohh, sorry to hear that. Worked Russ a few
times myself.

RIP OM 73

/ Jim SM2EKM
---------------------------
Wolfgang Schlaffer wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Sorry to hear Russ (KH6FOO) passed away. Worked him several times in the 
> 90s
> off the moon. I think he was one of those who also made spectacular 
> contacts
> from Hawaii to California on tropo.
> 
> Russ, rest in peace!
> 
> 73 DL5MAE Wolfgang
> 



From jjm_f1ehn at wanadoo.fr  Tue Nov 25 22:29:26 2008
From: jjm_f1ehn at wanadoo.fr (jjm)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:29:26 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Last reminder : Photos database of EME antennas - next update
In-Reply-To: <1A2E39C3E0EC46DF9FCCC8693C13ABCA@P4JJB>
References: <1A2E39C3E0EC46DF9FCCC8693C13ABCA@P4JJB>
Message-ID: <58F58B22A5B8411A86F8C8F74F9A1C65@P4JJB>

Last reminder before next update at the end of November

> Dear EMErs,
> Today, there are 88 photos on the database covering the EME bands from 6m
> to 1.2cm. The goal of this database is to quickly display during a QSO the
> photo antenna and the location of a DX station. Of course, the database
> could be browsed with other tools than EME System and at any moment.
> 
> I have planned to add the last received photos to a new package at the end
> of November.
> 
> If you wish to add your antenna's photo, please send it via email + info
> as indicated below:
> - a photo of your antenna (1 per band) (640*480 pxl or more)
> - a comment / title of this photo (ex : F6KSX 3cm - 3.3m dish)
> - latitude and longitude of the antenna**
> - your grid square (locator)
> - the nearest city to check the location of the photo
> - web site ?
> 
> Find more information on my web site at the "download" page
> 
> Thank you.
> Best 73.
> JJ F1EHN
> http://www.f1ehn.org
> 
> ** Because a few people asked me about that, you can keep "secret" the
> exact position of your antenna with giving only the grid square or 
> approximated lat/lon (like for a QSO or QSL card or current web site 
> info)....





From kc3re at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 26 04:22:11 2008
From: kc3re at yahoo.com (Cristofori Concerts)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:22:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Moon] seek 432 and 144 yagis
Message-ID: <410336.23842.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I am considering a rather insane plan to add even more yagis to the rover. I wonder if anyone (especially within several hundred mile pickup radius of Washington, D.C./northern Virginia,) has an extra to sell of either or both of the following:

15-element K1FO 144 mHz yagi (my present one was made by C3i, now I believe out of business)

28-element M2 432 mHz yagi

Many thanks for all possibilities.

73,

Martin, KC3RE



      


From kc3re at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 26 04:27:06 2008
From: kc3re at yahoo.com (Cristofori Concerts)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:27:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Moon] 432 & 144 yagis-forgot
Message-ID: <127430.68834.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Sorry, forgot to ask:

Also looking for 2-way dividers 144 and 432 and phasing lines for each.

Many thanks!

73,

Martin, KC3RE



      


From sm7wsj at telia.com  Wed Nov 26 18:03:41 2008
From: sm7wsj at telia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5kan_H?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:03:41 +0100
Subject: [Moon] FYI
Message-ID: <DA7D43C8848A496FB2C661FA9AE39849@ibma4f41tydsoc>

Hello MoonBouncers.



http://download.pzk.org.pl/public/IARU/CT08_C5_Meeting_2_Minutes.pdf


73 Hakan  SM7WSJ


From ingolf.fhz at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 21:18:10 2008
From: ingolf.fhz at gmail.com (Ingolf, SM6FHZ)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:18:10 +0100
Subject: [Moon] SM6FHZ 1296 MHz November EME activity
Message-ID: <d453f9420811261218q38453eaatad301fb337718fb3@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all.

I feels really good to be back on the moon after a absence of almost exactly
20 years. The last QSO I worked was F1HDI on March 26th, 1988. From
September 22nd, 1984 I had then worked 29 initials on 23 cm and 4 on 13 cm.

I have been working hard this autumn in order to finalize the new antenna. I
made the first tests on November 1st, at apogee and max negative
declination, and it worked fine. Nice echos on both CW and SSB in spite of
the low elevation of the moon at the time, 4.5 deg.

At the ARRL contest weekend I started on Saturday morning at 07Z but heard
nothing, no stations, no echos. I later concluded that I did not have full
control over my blockage at moon set and the few hours before. More and
higher trees then I anticipated, I do have some foresting to do.

Saturday evening brought some other obstacles but finally I heard a station
and quickly worked DL0SHF at 10 deg elevation, nice signal Carsten. As I had
problems with my Az indication I used Carstens signal together with my own
echos as moon tracking beacons....

After that I worked RA3AQ, UT5JCW, IK2COJ and SP6JLW on my CQ. Other
stations were also calling, hard to catch the calls with all on the same
frequency together with libration and other QSB. I do apogize for that, I
will catch the next time. At the end of my QSO with SP6JLW (1815Z) I got a
major thunderstorm in my TH338 amplifier painting the HV-fuse brown inside.
A new fuse, a new bang and small pieces of glass from the HV-fuse came
through the air. I decided to try using the driver, 30 W at the station and
slightly above 20 W at the feed.

I did work VK3UM with this set-up, great operator! Good work Doug. I tried
calling OK1DFC but Zdenek never got my call correctly. I also did some SWL
on the band, what an activity. Amazing, the band was crowded all the way up
to .040. Quite a difference from what I remember back in the mid 80's. Thia
is really promising for a lot of fun to come.

Now the wind was picking up (16 to 18 m/s from a bad direction) and I was
forced to park the antenna (2030Z).

Sunday I was able to find the cause for my erratic AZ indication and fix it
as well. And the amplifier did not arc anymore after a few hours of
formation and the tube was still OK.

I plan to be active during the December activity weekend.

With respect to counting initials, I intend to continue to add initials to
my 29 from 20 years back. And I assume I will not be an initial to the old
timers I worked then. I have moved about 80 km i.e. within a circle with a
radius of 50 km. The rig is essentially the same ( yes I will make upgrades)
but the dish is a new one. You can see both of them on my home page.

Hope to work you in the activity weekend of December 13/14.

73 / Ingolf

-- 
Ingolf, SM6FHZ
http://www.2ingandlin.se/SM6FHZ.htm
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From df2zc at gmx.de  Sat Nov 29 14:42:28 2008
From: df2zc at gmx.de (DF2ZC)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:42:28 +0100
Subject: [Moon] 144 MHz EME NewsLetter by DF2ZC
Message-ID: <013901c95228$527a3540$eb02a8c0@SHACK>

Hello All,

the November edition is now for download at:
www.df2zc.de/newsletter/index.html

vy 73 Bernd DF2ZC (JO30RN)
www.df2zc.de

____________________________________________
144 MHz EME NewsLetter:
www.df2zc.de/newsletter

144 MHz DXCC #21
144 MHz WAC

Kenwood TS 2000
2 x GU74b by LZ2US
4 x 2M18XXX 21 dBd full elevation



From anders at LA8LF.com  Sun Nov 30 14:14:26 2008
From: anders at LA8LF.com (Anders, LA8LF)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:14:26 -0000
Subject: [Moon] test
Message-ID: <D8DEAB107BBC44B0AAC7F4CAEC025413@FSCbrukerPC>

test from EA8/LA8LF



From anders at LA8LF.com  Sun Nov 30 14:17:19 2008
From: anders at LA8LF.com (Anders, LA8LF)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:17:19 -0000
Subject: [Moon] Fw: EA8/LA8LF denied operation on 13CM.
Message-ID: <190E1AB513564C749C6D293E1B3E0180@FSCbrukerPC>


Subject: EA8/LA8LF denied operation on 13CM.


> All,
> Sorry to inform you that EL JEFE PROVINCIAL DE INSPECCION DE
> TELECOMMUNICACIONES, Ministerio de Industria, Turismo y Comercio has
> rejected my request to operate on 13CM from Canary Islands (EA8).
> I understand that the 13CM is not open for Amateur Radio usage in SPAIN.
> Spain is therefore the only country within the CEPT group of countries 
> that
> does not allow 13CM Amateur Radio usage. My application was sent Sept. 
> 30th., answer received Nov. 19th.
> On Oct. 8th. I received an e-mail from el Jefe himself asking for a few 
> more
> minor important information. His mail was quite promising and as a result 
> I
> brought on Nov. 3rd. with me from Norwy 32 Kg. of 13CM equipment. The 3.7M 
> dish was istalled, W2DRZ tracking system and my good old W2IMU 13CM feed 
> was installed when the negative response arrived.
> I will stay in EA8 untill early April next year.
> 73 de Anders, LA8LF
> www.LA8LF.com
>
>
>
>
>