[Moon] [Moon-net] anomolies and clarifications

[Luis Cupido]

Geeeee.... :-)

I think I know why less and less folks
want to build stuff for EME, less time for optimizing
less and less enthusiasm from newcomers,
and less newcomers... some even avoid learning CW !!!


I think the reason is ;-)

the other things about EME are nowadays
so difficult so complex, so time consuming and by all means
so extenuating that hardly anyone considering to be serious about
EME will have any time left for any technical (if for any QSO)
after trying to learn and keep up to date with all this rules, 
definitions categories contests associations modes loggers
initials etc etc.


I may well say these EME politics are a new hobby by
themselves.


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An appeal to newcomers on this list:

There are EME QSO's     and EME politics.


Please select carefully your hobby before you start
and then stay focused afterwards no matter what.

EME is increasingly a challenge ;-)

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Luis Cupido.
ct1dmk.





graham wrote:
> At 17:15 15/12/2008, vladimir.masek at volny.cz wrote:
> 
>> Dears,
>> who may concern, pls, make a look on:
>> [1]http://www.zen70432.zen.co.uk/Initials/index.html
>> and try to think about an old definition.
> 
> yes, fine, you keep quoting it, but it is absolutely not clear and full 
> of holes/anomolies.....
> 
> ie single operator contacting to 'club' , single op counts one initial 
> regardless of call used at the club.....fine, we understand
> 
> other direction....?
> 
> if the 'club'  members work other single op stations, then can they can 
> count who they work as initials for themselves ? ..it is not clear , the 
> language is ambiguous and confusing it refers to stationS, but then 
> "particular station" without saying which particular of the two stationS 
> it talks about.
> 
> I cannot see why 'an operator' cannot collect his own initials at a 
> 'shared' station, even if he is potentially a less attractive target 
> than the other way around because others worked the 'shared' station 
> already once before....that is for him/them to decide, not others.
> 
> other points arising
> -----------------------------
> 
> 1.....if you move qth.......the tradition for square hunting (europe) is 
> if you move > 50km you start again. The station contacting you just 
> counts whichever square you are in.
> 
> there is an anomoly between that and intials, in that initials suggest 
> you have to move one BIG square to be a new initial to someone else and 
> says nothing about restarting YOUR intials count if you move. ( other 
> than adding "for those working it", which implies maybe it's not the 
> same the other way around but doesn't say so actually)
> 
> personally I think this is not sensible.
> 
> the current initial rule as defined on that site allows you to move 1 
> metre from jn04 to jn05 ( new big square) and be an initial, whereas 
> moving 60km the other way and staying in jn04 I would not be a new 
> initial.... duh , same effort, same rebuild....
> 
> As I said it is unclear and not documented what happens in the other 
> direction at all , ie do YOU ( the mover) have to start your intials 
> score again, I think historically it is accepted yes you do for ANY move.
> 
> Which is even less sensible because now everyone worked you already and 
> you are not a new initial for them (if you did not change big square), 
> so you are going to have a hard time starting again and attracting 
> others to work you because you had to start all over again, they already 
> got you.
> 
> So I would suggest that some alignment with the 50km squares rule is 
> more sensible. ie
> 
> move  < 50km ( or some distance decided) and 'unify' the rule so you 
> will NOT be an initial, you do NOT have to start your initial score 
> again and your squares score moves with you.
> 
> move  >50km ( or some distance decided) and 'unify' the rule so you WILL 
> be an initial, you DO have to start your score again and your squares 
> score starts again also.
> 
> 
> 2...ARRL contest rules
> 
> they are ARRL contest rules. Nothing to do with this thread.
> 
> 
> In any case the 'rules' on this website have already been discounted in 
> the recent case of someone buying someone else's eme station.
> 
> Graham F5VHX
> 
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