[Moon] WG: Serial numbers.

Sun Apr 20 11:49:00 CEST 2008

Dear Doug and all who appreciate an open reflector like „moon”.

K1JT apparently is using both reflectors for spreading the phantastic
achievements with his fabulous computer-to-Honour-Roll converter brought to
the world. The least I would wish though is closing this reflector as the
yank moon-net did to me with the following highly enlighting message:

“Your request to the Moon-net mailing list

    Posting of your message titled "AW: ".. the Swiss are a little
backwards""

has been rejected by the list moderator.  The moderator gave the following
reason for rejecting your request:

"[No explanation given]"

Any questions or comments should be directed to the list administrator

at:

    moon-net-owner at list-serv.davidv.net

Joe, welcome to the free world! 

The call for separation of assisted modes to unassisted is and remains
illusive. The cut has to be made between RF-EME and internet traffic. When I
passed the exams for getting a licence I had to know about RF. This is what
I wanted and what I was and still am interested in. 

As for me I will not continue to share conferences in the future with major
topics in which I am not involved. Since most computer and internet based
“qso” are made by 2m and 70cm people, the split has to be made 1296 and
above and not 432 and above. Furthermore questions of polarization and
libration would perfectly be discussed where they concern.

It is understood that contests, top lists, and other scores have to be
cleaned from scrap and separated accordingly.

The famous and truly appreciated NL by K2UYH needs to be revisited along the
topics and reports. Of course K2UYH, given his achievements is free to do
what he likes. However, the readers will possibly walk away on both sides if
half of its content is of no interest.

The forthcoming EME conference will have to take the burden of discussions
which will touch the hard ground of the truth of making a QSO or faking a
“QSO”. Besides the NF-measurment there will be a BGCC
(Best-Guess-Callsign-Contest). So, K1JT, do not forget bring your super-fast
database along together with ur computer. I bet you win!

HB9BBD

Dominique

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Von: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] Im
Auftrag von Doug McArthur
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. April 2008 00:21
An: moon at moonbounce.info.
Betreff: [Moon] Serial numbers.

Isn't good enough for a CW operator, under contest conditions, being able to
totally complete
a QSO and exchange RST reports with no external help ??

CW operators are doing that right now ?

We don't use the ARRL standard adopted method of each report = 599.

73 Doug VK3UM

Hi Klaus and all,

If anyone truly cares about how much unknown information is exchanged 
during EME QSOs, there is a simple way to find out.  Require the 
exchange of some information that cannot possibly be known (or guessed) 
in advance, but  must be copied correctly over the air.

In a contest situation, requiring the exchange of QSO serial numbers is 
a tried-and-true practice in many HF events.  In the EME context, of 
course no internet or other "assistance" should be permitted.  Logs 
should be cross-checked for accuracy and invalid QSOs removed, perhaps 
with a modest penalty for errors.  Any mode should be permitted, without 
prejudice.

It would be easy to find out what stations and what techniques are 
exchanging the most information over the EME path.

        -- 73, Joe, K1JT

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