[Moon] RE: PJ4EME CW activity 17 june

Fri Jun 15 18:42:13 CEST 2007

If I can get my lightning damaged encoders and hv PSU repaired, I will be  
calling on cw also. But, since all the 4 bit slots are used up, it will now  
require 5 bits of data to find me.

I will be signing "K5GW/00001" hoping for a reply.

Wonder what the bit pattern will be for the other  stations?

73/k5gw

In a message dated 6/15/2007 10:07:15 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
df2zc at gmx.de writes:

Jimmy,

Congratulations on your speed. As ususal you are once  again shooting from
the hip. I said nothing about last weekend, I'm talking  of a communicated
callsign list of possible stations BEFORE the time slot  for CW. 

Here you have a string of 15 stations and now please don't  tell me of
information transferred, something that you and others obviously  are not
willing to understand - the difference between data bits and  information
bits. With 15 callsigns there are is only less than 4 bit of  information
transferred with one of those callsigns. Since PJ4EME is klnown  already
there is a 5th bit of information transferred with this callsign.  You are
always publicly complaining and lamenting about callsign lists but  now this
here is very much similar. And of course, no doubt all DATA bits  are copied
on air, be it CW or JT65. But now the information transferred is  less. I
hope this clarifies it now.

And the PJ4EME team does know I  very much give them credit for their
excellent achievement and their very  professional dxpedition.

Peter CEW I know you are grateful to me now  for giving you another input for
your blog ;-)

Vy 73 Bernd  DF2ZC
-----Original Message-----
From: jimmyv at hol.gr  [mailto:jimmyv at hol.gr] 
Sent: Freitag, 15. Juni 2007 16:51
To:  DF2ZC
Cc: Moon-Net; moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: RE: PJ4EME CW activity  17 june

Bernd

so how last Sunday they did not know who was  calling and they made 10 cw
QSOs on random, without preamp, filter and  headphones? Same was true for
those that worked them.
You know why?  Because they COPIED the signals. Not identified with some
certainty 1/7 of  the information to match it to a database list, as Deep
Search (DS) decoder  does in jt65. And as DJ5HG articles well have pointed
out.
Pls do not  create false impressions and do unfortunate mode comparisons,
when current  digital status is at least -25db (300 times) and beyond, easier
than cw.  Plus the fact that in DS there is NO COPY of full information as
required  by EME operating procedures that apply for years.

So give PJ4EME some  credit for their cw FB work and being the only 2m
expedition that at least  keeps its promise and works both modes by honoring
the time slots they had  announced per mode.

By the way, why didn't u try to work them too last  Sunday or coming one,
copy them yourself, and tx anywhere near their  transmitting frequency; this
is what happened when for example I had the  QSO with
them:-)
So as to compare apples with apples and see for  yourself the difficulty each
mode entails.

73,
Jimmy  SV1BTR

> hmmm...so the PJ4 teams knows in advance who will be  calling, i.e. 
> which callsigns might be in the pileup. Isn't that  exactly what is 
> always complained about the JT65 DS  mode?
>
> ;-)
>
> vy 73 Bernd DF2ZC (JO30RN)
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> To: Marko Tsekov; PE1L Ren?
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> Subject: Re: [Moon] ] PJ4EME CW activity 17  june
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> WA6PY is also interested
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> -----  Original Message -----
> From: Marko Tsekov  <mailto:lz2us at orbinet.bg>
> To: PE1L Ren?  <mailto:moonnet at cqdx.nl>
> Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
> Sent:  Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:13 AM
> Subject: [Moon] ] PJ4EME CW activity  17 june
>
>
>
> Latest info about stations wanted to  work PJ4EME on CW:
>
> CT1HZE
> G4DHF
> G3ZIG
>  DF6NA
> IK2DDR
> IV3GBO
> I5WBE
> K9DX
>  LZ1DP
> LZ2US
> YO2AMU
> RA6DA
> RN6MT
>  SV3AAF
> EI4DQ
>
> 15 stations  for  now................
>
> 73 de   LZ2US
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