[Moon] re: K1JT statements

[dl5mae at 9a0tcp.ampr.org]

Peter, SM2CEW, wrote:

>In his quest for acceptance of the extremely limited transfer of data in a
>JT65 Deep Search QSO, K1JT is endlessly suggesting that all CW operators
>are cheating when working EME skeds.
>
>This is his latest statement, sent via email to all the representatives of
>the IARU Region 1 meeting in Vienna next weekend:
>
>
>"JT65 QSOs require the transfer in each direction of a minimum of 16 bits
>of information.  Thus, even when the "Deep Search" decoder is
>used, JT65 QSOs transfer about five times more information than
>the most marginal scheduled QSOs using CW."


Joe , K1JT, wrote:
>Hi Peter,
>
>You're probably right about my "fairly recently" comment; you
>are certainly right when it comes to yourself and other well
>established stations.  My point was simply to emphasize that
>scheduled QSOs, even thought they may involve much smaller
>amounts of transferred information, have always been considered
>legitimate QSOs.

>     -- Joe


Peter, G3LTF, wrote:
> Joe Taylor  K1JT has stated, in a submission to the IARU meeting,  his =
>opinion that  " Indeed, until fairly recently scheduled contacts were =
>the norm
>for nearly all EME work."  Regardless of the issue of JT and digital =
>modes, I have to say that  for me " fairly recently " would be at least =
>20 years ago, probably more.=20
>   Currently I make about 400+ eme QSOs a year mainly on 432,1296 and =
>2320 MHz and I estimate that about 10 of these would be skeds. I looked =
>back at my 1983/4 log book and there are indeed more skeds but still =
>many more QSOs in there were truely random,  so " the norm for nearly =
>all" is wrong as well even 23 years ago.=20
> In my view the statement is just not correct..... or have I got it =
>wrong?
>73 Peter G3LTF


Many tnx for info and update  (SM2CEW)  .
My personal QSO-quote was 93:7 (random:sked), of which random was much more  
effective. Sometimes I worked someone ramdomly after many unsuccessful skeds 

Ok, one may say, this is (was!) done by a 8-yagi station. 

However, when I was QRV portable-EME in several different places then 
my quote was still 90:10 (random:sked) on successful QSOs. 

My last p-activity (SV8/DL5MAE , 1 yagi, no elevation, new-moon +/- , 
not more than 400W, no rx-filters , local_QRM ) resulted 9 random 
QSOs in 1,5hrs operating time. 

So I dont know how someone can say, that CW OPs are cheating, although the 
majority of QSOs is done randomly.
 
If I watch the loggers (N0UK/ON4KST) I may get the feeling the opposite is 
the case...

vy 73 de dl5mae WOlfgang